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WSJ: Secret Recordings Fueled FBI Feud in Clinton Probe

Agents thought they had enough material to merit aggressively pursuing investigation into Clinton Foundation

http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-recordings-fueled-fbi-feud-in-clinton-probe-1478135518

"Secret recordings of a suspect talking about the Clinton Foundation fueled an internal battle between FBI agents who wanted to pursue the case and corruption prosecutors who viewed the statements as worthless hearsay, people familiar with the matter said.

Agents, using informants and recordings from unrelated corruption investigations, thought they had found enough material to merit aggressively pursuing the investigation into the foundation that started in summer 2015 based on claims made in a book by a conservative author called “Clinton Cash: The Untold Story of How and Why Foreign Governments and Businesses Helped Make Bill and Hillary Rich,” these people said.

The account of the case and resulting dispute comes from interviews with officials at multiple agencies.

Starting in February and continuing today, investigators from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and public-corruption prosecutors became increasingly frustrated with each other, as often happens within and between departments. At the center of the tension stood the U.S. attorney for Brooklyn, Robert Capers, who some at the FBI came to view as exacerbating the problems by telling each side what it wanted to hear, these people said. Through a spokeswoman, Mr. Capers declined to comment.

The roots of the dispute lie in a disagreement over the strength of the case, these people said, which broadly centered on whether Clinton Foundation contributors received favorable treatment from the State Department under Hillary Clinton.
Senior officials in the Justice Department and the FBI didn’t think much of the evidence, while investigators believed they had promising leads their bosses wouldn’t let them pursue, they said.

These details on the probe are emerging amid the continuing furor surrounding FBI Director James Comey’s disclosure to Congress that new emails had emerged that could be relevant to a separate, previously closed FBI investigation of Mrs. Clinton’s email arrangement while she was secretary of state.

On Wednesday, President Barack Obama took the unusual step of criticizing the FBI when asked about Mr. Comey’s disclosure of the emails.

Amid the internal finger-pointing on the Clinton Foundation matter, some have blamed the FBI’s No. 2 official, deputy director Andrew McCabe, claiming he sought to stop agents from pursuing the case this summer. His defenders deny that, and say it was the Justice Department that kept pushing back on the investigation.

At times, people on both sides of the dispute thought Mr. Capers agreed with them. Defenders of Mr. Capers said he was straightforward and always told people he thought the case wasn’t strong.

Much of the skepticism toward the case came from how it started—with the publication of a book suggesting possible financial misconduct and self-dealing surrounding the Clinton charity. The author of that book, Peter Schweizer—a former speechwriting consultant for President George W. Bush—was interviewed multiple times by FBI agents, people familiar with the matter said.

The Clinton campaign has long derided the book as a poorly researched collection of false claims and unsubstantiated assertions. The Clinton Foundation has denied any wrongdoing, saying it does immense good throughout the world.

Mr. Schweizer said in an interview that the book was never meant to be a legal document, but set out to describe “patterns of financial transactions that circled around decisions Hillary Clinton was making as secretary of state.”

As 2015 came to a close, the FBI and Justice Department had a general understanding that neither side would take major action on Clinton Foundation matters without meeting and discussing it first. In February, a meeting was held in Washington among FBI officials, public-integrity prosecutors and Leslie Caldwell, the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division. Prosecutors from the Eastern District of New York—Mr. Capers’ office—didn’t attend, these people said.

The public-integrity prosecutors weren’t impressed with the FBI presentation, people familiar with the discussion said. “The message was, ‘We’re done here,’ ” a person familiar with the matter said.

Justice Department officials became increasingly frustrated that the agents seemed to be disregarding or disobeying their instructions.

Following the February meeting, officials at Justice Department headquarters sent a message to all the offices involved to “stand down,’’ a person familiar with the matter said.

Within the FBI, some felt they had moved well beyond the allegations made in the anti-Clinton book. At least two confidential informants from other public-corruption investigations had provided details about the Clinton Foundation to the FBI, these people said.

The FBI had secretly recorded conversations of a suspect in a public-corruption case talking about alleged deals the Clintons made, these people said. The agents listening to the recordings couldn’t tell from the conversations if what the suspect was describing was accurate, but it was, they thought, worth checking out.

Prosecutors thought the talk was hearsay and a weak basis to warrant aggressive tactics, like presenting evidence to a grand jury, because the person who was secretly recorded wasn’t inside the Clinton Foundation.

FBI investigators grew increasingly frustrated with resistance from the corruption prosecutors, and some executives at the bureau itself, to keep pursuing the case.

As prosecutors rebuffed their requests to proceed more overtly, those Justice Department officials became more annoyed that the investigators didn’t seem to understand or care about the instructions issued by their own bosses and prosecutors to act discreetly.

In subsequent conversations with the Justice Department, Mr. Capers told officials in Washington that the FBI agents on the case “won’t let it go,” these people said.

As a result of those complaints, these people said, a senior Justice Department official called the FBI deputy director, Mr. McCabe, on Aug. 12 to say the agents in New York seemed to be disregarding or disobeying their instructions, these people said. The conversation was a tense one, they said, and at one point Mr. McCabe asked, “Are you telling me that I need to shut down a validly predicated investigation?’’ The senior Justice Department official replied: ”Of course not.”
 

huggzy

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Bill Clinton was a world leader and a historical figure. Hillary Clinton was a secretary of state, and another historical figure. Of course people are going to be interested in what they have to say! Are you being deliberately daft?

Is someone going to pay you $250k to give a speech? Probably not, but the reason for that is that you are nobody, and people will not pay to hear nobody speak. You think that you are on the same level as them, but you are not.

If you think I am talking nonsense, read this: http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Up...arges-vets-group-100-000-for-speech.-Too-much

All those guys were no longer in office when they went on the speaking tour. Suggesting that those paying them would be "gaining influence" is nonsense - they are no longer in office dude, there is no "influence" to be bought. They get paid those fees because people want to hear the opinions and personal recollections of those who have been at the very pinnacle of power.

Just because you are ignorant of these things does not mean that they defy belief.

Btw, go to the bottom of that article - who was one of the highest paid speakers? None other than Donald Trump!!
These people are in fucking office you nitwit - and when they leave office they are still connected (especially when a former POTUS is married to the current Secretary of State who is running to be the next POTUS). The fact that these people can be paid to do this while having this influence is plain fucking wrong. FYI - the Donald example you referenced - he was not in office when he did his speech. That was in 2006.

The system is broken - what is it that is so hard for you to understand?
 

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Abedin implicated Clinton in foundation trade-off with Morocco with $12 million....

Abedin implicated Clinton in foundation trade-off with Morocco amid $12 million commitment

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-with-morocco-amid-12-million-commitment.html

Just hours after Hillary Clinton dodged a question at the final presidential debate about charges of "pay to play" at the Clinton Foundation, a new batch of WikiLeaks emails surfaced with stunning charges that the candidate herself was at the center of negotiating a $12 million commitment from King Mohammed VI of Morocco.

One of the more remarkable parts of the charge is that the allegation came from Clinton's loyal aide, Huma Abedin, who described the connection in a January 2015 email exchange with two top advisers to the candidate, John Podesta and Robby Mook.

Abedin wrote that "this was HRC's idea" for her to speak at a meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative in Morocco in May 2015 as an explicit condition for the $12 million commitment from the king.

"She created this mess and she knows it," Abedin wrote to Podesta and Mook.

The "mess" refers in part to the fact that the three Clinton advisers were discussing the possibility of the former secretary of state pulling out of speaking at the May 2015 event because it was happening one month after the official launch of her presidential campaign and could raise more questions about her role at the foundation.

In April 2015, Politico reported the Clinton Foundation was accepting a "major donation" of at least $1 million from a Moroccan government-owned company, OCP, a phosphate exporter. Politico added that an official at the foundation said it was "unlikely" Hillary would attend the May 2015 event, just weeks after the April launch of her campaign.

It turns out the amount was far bigger -- $12 million -- and there was a far bigger struggle over whether Clinton would attend because she had a much more extensive role in lining up the money than the public ever knew.

In January 2015, Mook indicated Clinton was still considering whether to attend the event, even though her advisers clearly seemed to be concerned about the appearance of such heavy involvement in the foundation amid questions about its fundraising.

With the subject line, "FYI CGI Africa," Mook sent an email to Podesta and Abedin on January 18, 2015.

"Came up on our call with HRC," wrote Mook. "John flagged the same issues we discussed, Huma. HRC said she's sitll(sic)considering."

Abedin wrote back later that day, and suggested the King would be furious if Clinton pulled out of the event.

"Just to give you some context, the condition upon which the Moroccans agreed to host the meeting was her participation," Abedin wrote. "If hrc was not part if(sic) it, meeting was a non-starter."

Abedin added that CGI had not even come up with the idea to hold the event in Morocco, instead it was generated by Clinton herself.

"This was HRC's idea, our office approached the Moroccans and they 100 percent believe they are doing this at her request," wrote Abedin. "The King has personally committed approx $12 million both for the endowment and to support the meeting."

Since Abedin was writing this in January 2015, after Clinton had already left the State Department, it is unclear if "our office" is a reference to this meeting being something that was set up years earlier while Clinton was still secretary or something that was put together by her personal office after she left the Obama administration.

"What did these donors get in return?" Charles Ortel, a philanthropy expert who has been critical of the Clinton Foundation's practices, said in an interview with Fox News. "We are scratching the surface now."

While Clinton was secretary of state, her department in 2011 charged that the Moroccan government was behind "arbitrary arrests and corruption in all branches of government."

At the final presidential debate in Las Vegas on Wednesday night, Republican nominee Donald Trump demanded Clinton give back large contributions to the foundation from countries with questionable human rights records.

"It's a criminal enterprise," Trump said. "Saudi Arabia giving $25 million, Qatar, all of these countries. You talk about women and women's rights? So these are people that push gays off business -- off buildings. These are people that kill women and treat women horribly. And yet you take their money."

Clinton did not directly answer Trump's attack, instead focusing on her own questions about Trump's foundation as well as what she billed as positive parts of the work of the Clinton Foundation.

"But I am happy, in fact I'm thrilled to talk about the Clinton Foundation, because it is a world-renowned charity and I am so proud of the work that it does," said Clinton, adding it had made it possible for 11 million people around the world with HIV-AIDS to afford treatment.

The moderator of the debate, Chris Wallace of Fox News, also pressed Clinton on the issue of donors getting favors for major contributions.

"Why isn't what happened and what went on between you and the Clinton Foundation, why isn't it what Mr. Trump calls pay to play?" asked Wallace.

"Well, everything I did as secretary of state was in furtherance of our country's interests and our values," said Clinton. "The State Department has said that. I think that's been proven."

Though in the email exchange revealed by Wikileaks, Abedin suggested Clinton initiated the solicitation of the $12 million commitment, and the aide made it clear it was going to cause a major issue with the Moroccan government if the candidate pulled out of the CGI event that ran from May 5-7 of 2015.

"It will break a lot of china to back out now when we had so many opportunities to do it in the past few months," Abedin wrote in January 2015. "She created this mess and she knows it."

Hillary Clinton did not end up attending the event, though Bill and Chelsea Clinton did go to Morocco and moderated various panel discussions.

Lanny Davis, a longtime adviser to the Clinton family, told Fox News that the Clinton Foundation helped 11 million people with AIDS, fed hungry children and said the focus should be on the fact that the Obama administration has said there are indications the government of Russian President Vladimir Putin is behind the hack of Podesta's emails.

"This is the first time we've allowed a foreign power, much less Putin, to interfere," Davis said.

Davis added that he knows that when it comes to the people who have worked at the foundation, "their hearts were in the right place." He acknowledged that any time emails like this leak, there will be "optics" problems.

"When you're in the sausage factory, it doesn't always look so good," Davis said.
 

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Hillary’s Two Official Favors To Morocco Resulted In $28 Million For Clinton...

Hillary’s Two Official Favors To Morocco Resulted In $28 Million For Clinton Foundation


http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/31/h...esulted-in-28-million-for-clinton-foundation/


Hillary Clinton did two huge favors for Morocco during her tenure as secretary of state while the Clinton Foundation accepted up to $28 million in donations from the country’s ruler, King Mohammed VI, according to new information obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation Investigative Group.

Clinton and Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) chief Lisa Jackson tried to shut down the Florida-based Mosaic Company in 2011, operator of America’s largest phosphate mining facility.

Jackson’s close ties and loyalty to the Clintons were revealed when she joined the Clinton Foundation’s board of directors in 2013, just months after she left the EPA. Jackson is also close to John Podesta, Clinton’s national campaign chairman.

Morocco’s state-owned phosphate company, OCP, would ostensibly have benefited from Jackson’s move to shut down Mosaic. Mohammed donated up to $15 million to the Clinton Foundation through OCP.

Clinton also relaxed U.S. foreign aid restrictions on Morocco, thus allowing U.S. funds to be used in the territory of Western Sahara where OCP operates phosphate mining operations. The aid restrictions stemmed from Morocco’s illegal occupation of the territory since 1974.

Morocco is repeatedly condemned for seizing the territory and for unilaterally extracting the country’s valuable minerals, impoverishing what’s left of the local Sahrawi Arabs.
No nation recognizes Moroccan sovereignty over the Western Sahara and the United Nation’s Security Council legal office and the International Court of Justice both demand that Muhammed withdraw his claim over the territory and end illegal extraction of minerals.

An email WikiLeaks made public last week illustrated how Clinton, while acting as secretary of state, negotiated an additional $12 million donation to the Clinton Foundation from Muhammed in return for holding the 2015 Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) meeting in Marrakech, Morocco. Another $1 million payment came from OCP to cover the expenses of the CGI meeting. (RELATED: Hillary Got $12 Million for Clinton Charity As Quid Pro Quo For Morocco Meeting)


The regulatory assault against the U.S. phosphate industry began in earnest when Jackson launched a barrage of intimidating regulatory initiatives against Mosaic. Environmental concerns about phosphates date from 1979 but the EPA did little to address concerns related to phosphate mining until Jackson’s 2011 moves.

The regulatory assault on the U.S. phosphate industry encompassed several agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). DHS aircraft flew at low altitudes over Mosaic’s central Florida operations in search of environmental problems. The EPA also threatened large Superfund penalties, which could have bankrupted Mosaic.

Phosphates are essential ingredients in fertilizers used in American farming. Closing or reducing Mosaic’s output would have cost tens of thousands of American jobs and injured the country’s agricultural productivity.

It also would leave the U.S. dependent upon foreign phosphate producers, but particularly Morocco’s OCP. The only other countries that mine phosphates are Russia, China and Saudi Arabia.

Rep. Dennis Ross, a Republican congressman who represents the Florida district where Mosaic operates, told TheDCNF he now sees why the EPA went after Mosaic.

“The tactics makes perfect sense as to why the EPA, under Lisa Jackson’s tutelage, targeted Mosaic’s phosphate operations in my district. I was never given any answers when I questioned Lisa Jackson about the EPA’s deliberate actions against Mosaic,” Ross told TheDCNF.

“Now I know why. An environmental concern never existed. This targeting was all done as a payback to Morocco for donating millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation,” Ross said.

An uproar from Florida regulators push-back from the state’s congressional delegation and the agency’s tenuous legal position all forced the EPA to end its threats against Mosaic.

Rep. Marsha Blackburn, a Tennessee Republican who is vice-chairman of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce and a vocal critic of the Clinton Foundation, agreed with Ross, saying “these facts seem to reveal the possibility of more pay-to-play activities at the Clinton Foundation.”

“It would be especially troubling if the Clinton Foundation was working with the EPA to suppress the American phosphate industry in favor of Morocco. The EPA and Clinton Foundation should be forthcoming about their dealings with the Moroccan government and the American phosphate industry.”

Clinton’s 2012 support of a rider on the U.S. foreign aid bill permitting foreign aid to be sent to the Western Sahara arguably legitimized Moroccan occupation of territory and depopulated the Sahrawi Arabs. Native Moroccans were sent into the country by the government to extract the minerals.

The rider approved by Clinton said that U.S. foreign aid funds “may be used in regions and territories administered by Morocco,” meaning, the Western Sahara. The Western Sahara is classified a “Non-Self-Governing Territory” under international law.

“Previously, United States excluded Western Sahara from bilateral assistance to avoid seeming to endorse Moroccan control,” said Eugene Kontorovich, a professor at Northwestern University School of Law, in a legal review of occupied territories around the world.

Hans Corell, the U.N. Security Council’s Under-Secretary for Legal Affairs, said in January 2002 that “if further exploration and exploitation activities were to proceed in disregard of the interests and wishes of the people of Western Sahara, they would be in violation of the international law principles applicable to mineral resource activities in Non-Self-Governing Territories.”

A Dec. 10, 2015 report by the International Court of Justice ruled that “the sovereignty of the Kingdom of Morocco over Western Sahara is not recognized by the European Union or its Member States, or more generally by the UN, and the absence of any international mandate capable of justifying Moroccan presence on that territory.”

But none of that mattered to former President Bill Clinton, who said nothing about the world’s condemnation of Morocco’s exploitation of the area for its phosphate industry, while speaking at the Clinton Foundation’s 2015 Marrakech CGI conference. Instead, he praised it.

“The Moroccans who are here will tell you that in the last several years, they have become the Saudi Arabia of phosphates, and what they have done with it, to diversify their economy and to make it part of a comprehensive strategy instead of another example of resource curse, is very impressive indeed,” Clinton said.

“Hillary Clinton sold her soul when they accepted that money,” reported Politico the day after the Marrakech CGI conference.
 

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Holy s..... , conspiracy theorists have taken over the site . While down south they wanna elect their conspiracy theorists in chef . Gotta say they are good at convincing the uninformed ....feelings over facts .
 

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Melania Trump..another example of an immigrant doing a job Americans won't........:lol:














 
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Alas, these Clinton emails will likely highlight (if they don't already) that she and Bill do/have done what most politicians do, no better, no worse. With MOST politicians, I'd say, its a combination of desire for power and a desire to do things for the country (I would argue that for some, the appearance of doing things for the country/state gives them power, for others getting the power then allows them to do things for the country - I personally believe both Clintons are the latter, tho I'll admit I can't prove it. I think Clinton's worst sin is she stubbornly refuses to admit she's made a mistake (regarding home email server, for instance) which is a symptom of arrogance but she still has far more experience and knowledge. So she's not as lovable as Obama or Bush - big deal; a bit more of a technocrat may do us some good.

I still feel what Trump has done (regarding his avoidance of taxes to benefit himself, inability to run businesses that then ends up putting real people out of work, his long history of sexual assaults on women) and continues to do (incite and encourage hate, refuse to learn any of the issues facing this country and planet to ANY deep degree, lie about his past and refuse to acknowledge ALMOST all past issues) make him a FAR worse choice for this country and the world.
 

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Uncleg to FreeG...she has admitted to the home server being a mistake and she has apologized for it....anything I haven't heard about.
 

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Facts? I'd love for you to come up with some to prove your point.
Holy s..... , conspiracy theorists have taken over the site . While down south they wanna elect their conspiracy theorists in chef . Gotta say they are good at convincing the uninformed ....feelings over facts .
 

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Oh, and today we find out that Rudy Guilliani was smugly telling interviewers on Fox News that they had something really big a few days BEFORE Comey made his announcement. The same Rudy Guiliani who was US attorney in NY and worked with the very people in the NY FBI office who have been obsessive about the Clintons (even when justice department prosecutors told them there was no case), and the very people who discovered Weiners laptop. Coincidence? Yeah, right.

All of this has obviously been orchestrated by Guilliani's gang at the NY FBI office, and it is being done with specific intent of derailing Clinton's campaign to the benefit of Trump. It is blatant partisan interference by the FBI.

There definitely needs to be a special prosecutor appointed, not to investigate Clinton, but to investigate Gulliani and his NY FBI buddies.
 

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Facts? I'd love for you to come up with some to prove your point.[/QUOTE

Just fact check what they all say .... Trump lies over 70% based on his statements , Cruz , Giuliani, Sanders, Bidden, Clinton HRC . Cruz lies more than Trump , Sanders lies more than Hillary but just by one pourcent based on their speeches and statements .

But nobody can embellish / theorize / hyperbolize like that multi millionaire can ....and I'll never call him billionaire until he can prove it . ( If we use he's own technic of scepticism to turn the burden of proof on his own shoulders as he often use with others )
 
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Uncleg to FreeG...she has admitted to the home server being a mistake and she has apologized for it....anything I haven't heard about.
True. I was thinking more that it took such a long time for her to admit it, preceded by defensiveness.
 

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True. I was thinking more that it took such a long time for her to admit it, preceded by defensiveness.

Kind of like this "hobby".......get caught by somebody important to you and I'll bet you'll deny, deny....and be defensive as hell until such time as it becomes counter-productive.
 

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I would be very cautious about the Washington Times as a source. It is a subsidiary of the "Moonies" cult / church.
Yeah, it was more the source that was being relied on - fucking douchebag. Can't help it if we get bad info from the news media.
 

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Oh, and today we find out that Rudy Guilliani was smugly telling interviewers on Fox News that they had something really big a few days BEFORE Comey made his announcement. The same Rudy Guiliani who was US attorney in NY and worked with the very people in the NY FBI office who have been obsessive about the Clintons (even when justice department prosecutors told them there was no case), and the very people who discovered Weiners laptop. Coincidence? Yeah, right.

All of this has obviously been orchestrated by Guilliani's gang at the NY FBI office, and it is being done with specific intent of derailing Clinton's campaign to the benefit of Trump. It is blatant partisan interference by the FBI.

There definitely needs to be a special prosecutor appointed, not to investigate Clinton, but to investigate Gulliani and his NY FBI buddies.
Yeah...but you keep straying from the real issue Tuggy. You see, apparently you need some other authority to tell you that something doesn't smell right rather than using your own critical thinking ability. So how about this - Clinton Inc. just admitted this evening that it took millions of $$$ from Qatar on Billy's birthday while she was Secretary of State and conveniently neglected to report it:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...tion-idUSKBN12Z2SL+&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

The Clinton Foundation has confirmed it accepted a $1 million gift from Qatar while Hillary Clinton was U.S. secretary of state without informing the State Department, even though she had promised to let the agency review new or significantly increased support from foreign governments.

Qatari officials pledged the money in 2011 to mark the 65th birthday of Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton's husband, and sought to meet the former U.S. president in person the following year to present him the check, according to an email from a foundation official to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign chairman, John Podesta. The email, among thousands hacked from Podesta's account, was published last month by WikiLeaks.

Clinton signed an ethics agreement governing her family's globe-straddling foundation in order to become secretary of state in 2009. The agreement was designed to increase transparency to avoid appearances that U.S. foreign policy could be swayed by wealthy donors.

If a new foreign government wished to donate or if an existing foreign-government donor, such as Qatar, wanted to "increase materially" its support of ongoing programs, Clinton promised that the State Department's ethics official would be notified and given a chance to raise any concerns.

Clinton Foundation officials last month declined to confirm the Qatar donation. In response to additional questions, a foundation spokesman, Brian Cookstra, this week said that it accepted the $1 million gift from Qatar, but this did not amount to a "material increase" in the Gulf country's support for the charity. Cookstra declined to say whether Qatari officials received their requested meeting with Bill Clinton.

Officials at Qatar's embassy in Washington and in its Council of Ministers in the capital, Doha, declined to discuss the donation.

The State Department has said it has no record of the foundation submitting the Qatar gift for review, and that it was incumbent on the foundation to notify the department about donations that needed attention. A department spokeswoman did not respond to additional questions about the donation.

According to the foundation's website, which lists donors in broad categories by cumulative amounts donated, Qatar's government has directly given a total of between $1 million and $5 million over the years.

The Clinton Foundation has said it would no longer accept money from foreign governments if Clinton is elected president and would spin off those programs that are dependent on foreign governments.

"MATERIAL" INCREASE

At least eight other countries besides Qatar gave new or increased funding to the foundation, in most cases to fund its health project, without the State Department being informed, according to foundation and agency records. They include Algeria, which gave for the first time in 2010, and the United Kingdom, which nearly tripled its support for the foundation's health project to $11.2 million between 2009 and 2012.

Foundation officials have said some of those donations, including Algeria, were oversights and should have been flagged, while others, such as the UK increase, did not qualify as material increases.

The foundation has declined to describe what sort of increase in funding by a foreign government would have triggered notification of the State Department for review. Cookstra said the agreement was designed to "allow foreign funding for critical Clinton Foundation programs" to continue without disruption.

The State Department said it has no record of being asked by the foundation to review any increases in support by a foreign government.

Asked whether Qatar was funding a specific program at the foundation, Cookstra said the country supported the organization's "overall humanitarian work."

"Qatar continued supporting Clinton Foundation at equal or lower levels" compared with the country's pre-2009 support, he said. He declined to say if Qatar gave any money during the first three years of Clinton's four-year term at the State Department, or what its support before 2009 amounted to.

In another email released by WikiLeaks, a former Clinton Foundation fundraiser said he raised more than $21 million in connection with Bill Clinton's 65th birthday in 2011.

Spokesmen for Hillary Clinton's campaign and Bill Clinton did not respond to emailed questions about the donation.

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has said that major donors to the Clinton Foundation may have obtained favored access to Clinton's State Department, but has provided little evidence to that effect. Clinton and her staff have dismissed this accusation as a political smear.

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Not a slam on you mars, but it doesn't take a psychologist to figure that out. :D

What really irritates me about this thread is people posting long winded, often copy and pasted statements/info; and then someone quoting the entire post only to add their own long winded etc.etc.
You're making it difficult for me to scroll through all the garbage to find the nuggets.
 

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I'm not on the bandwagon yet.

Hillary's probably gonna win, but it's nice to see those smug assholes shitting their pants at the last minute.

America's sending a message (too bad they might have to shoot the messenger if he wins !)
 

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What really irritates me about this thread is people posting long winded, often copy and pasted statements/info; and then someone quoting the entire post only to add their own long winded etc.etc.
You're making it difficult for me to scroll through all the garbage to find the nuggets.
Yeah, I have to agree with you on this point Larry. My scrolling finger is getting sore. Please just quote the nuggets, or the bits you are commenting on peops. Sheesh. Yet there are some good nuggets in all that chaff. And I was hoping to get some countrary opinions to promote reasoned consideration way back when starting this thread. So on eve of the shit-show and the dawn of America's choice, thankyou all who have contributed your facts, allegations, conspiracy theories, accusations, insights, and especially humour to this marathon. I wish a 'Cole's Notes' version of this saucy thread were required reading for all registered US voters. Oh well, I do have my fantasies... Lol.

Digging my bunker 1 metre deeper and adding another two-four of canned beans today!

-Punt.
 
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