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Thats why it is estimated that actually up to 20 million illegals have crossed into their country during the last 4 years counting getaways who avoided detection by many but I will take this source.

https://homeland.house.gov/2024/05/...ounters-nationwide-before-end-of-fiscal-year/

You are not particularly adept at justifying your positions. (Cue laughing emoji response)

Anyways go on..what's next?
Open borders doesn't mean that nobody gets into the country illegally. It means that the borders are unguarded. Which is blatantly false. Literally every president, even Fuhrer Trump, has let illegals into the country. What you said is too stupid for anybody but a mindless Trump supporter to say. Literally everyone else knows it's just one of his thousands and thousands of lies, which nobody with half a brain would even consider saying with a straight face.
 

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Tell that to the millions of illegal immigrants.
Under which administration are you talking about the millions under trump ? Under Nixon? Under Carter ? Reagan? Bush Sr? Clinton? Bush Jr ? Obama ? Biden?

Remind us when in the last 50 years that illegal immigration in the US was not an issue.

Once you familiarize yourself with the immigration act of 1965 , its intent and its unintended consequences than we can talk .
Keep in mind that every administration that tackled it broke their teeth on it .

Biden worked on solving the problem with the Republicans who worked on it untill they were satisfied to get an easy majority vote to get killed on the request of their Orange master . Historical first to follow the request of an unelected candidate...but who is to argue with the second coming of ....
 

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Open borders doesn't mean that nobody gets into the country illegally. It means that the borders are unguarded. Which is blatantly false. Literally every president, even Fuhrer Trump, has let illegals into the country. What you said is too stupid for anybody but a mindless Trump supporter to say. Literally everyone else knows it's just one of his thousands and thousands of lies, which nobody with half a brain would even consider saying with a straight face.
both Biden and Trump have attempted to solve the situation at the border.

How Joe Biden and Donald Trump's border policies compare

"open border" is just more thought control insertion... where one ideological priest inserts words into the mouths of another.

the bigger situation that neither party talks about is why these immigrants are moving north from central america. US agro pretty much controls most of central america and props up the dictatorships and economic hardship there. all american administrations are guilty of supporting the status quo in that regard. and Harris did nothing about it either.

but again, how are "illegal immigrants" a problem where "legal immigrants" are not? the sell from republicans is mostly xenophobic. it can't be interpreted any other way.

why not increase the population as necessary to prop up the economy? the word "illegal" when used with "immigration" is just more thought control insertion.
 

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As for calling Americans morons—well, maybe some deserve it. But let’s not forget, even in the True North, there are some questionable choices. After all, someone had to vote Trudeau into office
And Harper before him, which was even worse. People said they would choose "anyone" who could bring down Harper and "anyone" was what they got.

Everyone with half a brain knows that campaigns are "silly season", that what is done and said in those times is ridiculous, so it is supposed to be that what leaders & parties are actually about it what goes on between campaigns.

One thing about the US political scene is that they invented the "permanent campaign". Always use the scripted talking points and never speak for yourself because the partisan media conglomerates are massive; always be fundraising because US politics is completely corrupt and driven by money, so they even go as far as crafting legislation solely for the purpose of attracting donors. Fight the "culture war" forever because conflict motivates both media attention and fundraising drives. Etc. Etc. Policy is all driven by the need to invent new ways to throw shots at each other; consistency in your ideology does not matter compared to scoring partisan points, so hypocrisy skyrockets. Forget about logic, reason, or having to actually get on with life after election day - there is no getting on with life, only the eternal campaign!

Frankly, it is a disgusting innovation, that has made the US an increasingly absurd & terrible place, but that has also not stopped the US from exporting its political strategies to other nations, and political leaders in those nations being stupid enough to accept it.
Canada being right next door is one of those places that have caught "the blight". The conservative party has been all about emulating & sucking up to the GOP since the Reagan era, but the Libs and NDP have also adopted some of the language and activism that comes from US corporate & "progressive" circles, and even hired some of the slick political operators that the Dems have surplus of.

And that in turn has led to the "permanent campaign" plague coming here and so our political culture mutates into something inferior, thanks to those ignorant fools trying to jam those square "presidential republic" pegs into round "parliamentary monarchy" holes.
 
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Regardless of race, religion, or education, as a Canadian visiting a neighbour, I have found Americans to be remarkably thoughtful about their ideals. More decisive, less milktoast, and able to say their opinion without ooooh. I don’t dare offed anyone.

We may not agree with their values in all cases, but if we are exclusively the judgemental ones, then who are the morons?

Individual Americans are tolerable, maybe even reasonable. Lots of people, maybe all people, are judgemental. Judgement is just something people do to get through life, and it is only prejudice (pre judgement without evidence) that is a mistake.
But the Americans (and there is clear evidence of this) think they have some inherent right to not only judge other nations, but treat their own opinions as some sort of universal law that all others must obey.
They nation was founded by puritans, so whether its the American left or right, it is the common belief of their political culture.
 

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Kamala is the odds on favorite to be the Dems ticket for 2028. Not even close is anyone else. Go figure.

What is it with them not learning from their mistakes? This is like that Simpsons' joke: "The politics of failure have failed; we need to make them work again."
 

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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” ― Isaac Asimov
Absolutely on the mark.
Of course there are different kinds of ignorance, just as there are different kinds of knowledge. There are no guarantees, since credentials alone do not equal good judgement.
Some highly educated and intelligent people have still acted with wilful blindness and then created terrible problems.
 

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And Harper before him, which was even worse. People said they would choose "anyone" who could bring down Harper and "anyone" was what they got.

Everyone with half a brain knows that campaigns are "silly season", that what is done and said in those times is ridiculous, so it is supposed to be that what leaders & parties are actually about it what goes on between campaigns.

One thing about the US political scene is that they invented the "permanent campaign". Always use the scripted talking points and never speak for yourself because the partisan media conglomerates are massive; always be fundraising because US politics is completely corrupt and driven by money, so they even go as far as crafting legislation solely for the purpose of attracting donors. Fight the "culture war" forever because conflict motivates both media attention and fundraising drives. Etc. Etc. Policy is all driven by the need to invent new ways to throw shots at each other; consistency in your ideology does not matter compared to scoring partisan points, so hypocrisy skyrockets. Forget about logic, reason, or having to actually get on with life after election day - there is no getting on with life, only the eternal campaign!

Frankly, it is a disgusting innovation, that has made the US an increasingly absurd & terrible place, but that has also not stopped the US from exporting its political strategies to other nations, and political leaders in those nations being stupid enough to accept it.
Canada being right next door is one of those places that have caught "the blight". The conservative party has been all about emulating & sucking up to the GOP since the Reagan era, but the Libs and NDP have also adopted some of the language and activism that comes from US corporate & "progressive" circles, and even hired some of the slick political operators that the Dems have surplus of.

And that in turn has led to the "permanent campaign" plague coming here and so our political culture mutates into something inferior, thanks to those ignorant fools trying to jam those square "presidential republic" pegs into round "parliamentary monarchy" holes.
nicely done!

i say the world push for First-past-the-post voting. in another cite i provided it documented what happened when this was instituted at the city and state level. candidates were literally complementing each other! talk about a change to the world order. finding good things in others instead of making up bad things. instead of fabricating hate.
 

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And Harper before him, which was even worse.

hahaha, what colour is the sky in your world?

Harper was nowhere near worse than the Turd, there is 9 yrs of actual facts to support that

nothing he did is still bothering your life

what the Turd has done will, just like his cunt father, be following you and everyone else for decades to come, debt specially
 

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Yes I did state that incorrectly. What he did was turn it from a niche experimental vehicle into a mass marketed product available to the public. Anything else?

More accurately, he pushed forward a mass marketed EV (not the first of those), but which had more mass appeal to the public than the predecessors.
He understood that dominance in the auto industry is driven by high performance cars, that need to create excitement, not just efficiency.
Even if 95% of vehicles on the road do not actually need to push the performance envelope, the concept could not be taken seriously until someone finally built an EV that did so.
 

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hahaha, what colour is the sky in your world?

Harper was nowhere near worse than the Turd, there is 9 yrs of actual facts to support that

nothing he did is still bothering your life

what the Turd has done will, just like his cunt father, be following you and everyone else for decades to come, debt specially
Harper was much worse in every way, and yeah I have followed politics always, and am 100% confident that he was the worst & most tyrannical PM Canada ever had.
I said so back then and still say so now - and that is not going to change unless Pollywanker gets into power and proves it is possible to be even worse than that.
And all his supporters can choke on that no matter how much it hurts.
 
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/fbi-crime-statistics-2024-b2561552.html

When you leave out many of the main metropolitan areas like New York and Los Angeles where crime has skyrocketed plus decriminalize shoplifting under $1000 and other crimes not including violence and rely on counties to voluntarily supply their own information the true picture is not painted.. But keep thinking that and believe Merrick Garland.;)
There is a reason that Los Angeles and Oakland just successfully recalled their district attorneys.
So your're saying 'dont rely on stats, and even if you do they're wrong, and you know better regardless' because you 'just feel it'. Still not buying this bullshit argument from the right.

Show me countervailing stats, or other proof besides tik-tok videos and hearsay that crime was up. I can see that hate crime has increased from marching nazis to some of the protestor crowds, but overall its reduced.
 
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More accurately, he pushed forward a mass marketed EV (not the first of those), but which had more mass appeal to the public than the predecessors.
He understood that dominance in the auto industry is driven by high performance cars, that need to create excitement, not just efficiency.
Even if 95% of vehicles on the road do not actually need to push the performance envelope, the concept could not be taken seriously until someone finally built an EV that did so.
Musk was good at growing Tesla and Space X. He should get a say in governement , but like everyone else: with one vote.

Open plutocracy is not a good look, its kind of the thing democracies are designed against. That assumes America remains a democracy re: Trumps 'jokes'
 

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they have a leader who is immune to prosecution, has pardon powers and could not care less about the law.

Yup. That is going to be the thing that all the Dems "existential threat" language might have been absolutely right about, but could never convince enough people of.
Warning are not enough, some people have to see it happen and feel that sickening realization & buyer's remorse.

Never mind Trump himself - once he and the crooked supreme court have set that precedent, it will just get used again and again. It will not be a one-off, but a constant feature of political competition.

Biden might say something about the danger of it in his goodbye speech, but just like Eisenhower warning people about the dangers of the military-industrial complex, the need to guard against it will be ignored.
 
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