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Inside the Next Republican Revolution

"The Project 2025 team is scouring records and social media accounts to rule out heretics — effectively administering loyalty tests — and launching a so-called Presidential Administration Academy that tutors future MAGA bureaucrats... These efforts are intended to ensure that the chaos and high-level defections of Trump’s first term never happen again, along with prosecutions like the ones the ex-president now faces."
 

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I found this video interesting, although I recommend you watch the first video about Erik Prince's background.
This one is more about the economy, the running of cartels (big business), not just the Mexican Drug Cartels, and to break up the monopolies big companies have on the economy.
A word of advice though, put your politics aside and listen for facts. Some will get mad over the references to religion and politics.
 

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I found this video interesting, although I recommend you watch the first video about Erik Prince's background.
This one is more about the economy, the running of cartels (big business), not just the Mexican Drug Cartels, and to break up the monopolies big companies have on the economy.
A word of advice though, put your politics aside and listen for facts. Some will get mad over the references to religion and politics.
Oh, I know who he is. He's the head of Blackwater mercenary group. War criminals & torturers is their reputation; they had to change their company's name like 3 times to avoid the public eye.
I've seen Ryan's videos a couple of times before, but he clearly has a soft spot for anti-government types and conspiracy mongers.
Have you seen his interview with the guy claiming to have seen advanced alien weapons at a secret US military base under Antarctica? That's the sort of content he's got.
 

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Unfortunately there are still many that support him. Don't underestimate this con artist. Make no mistake, he can still win. Its a cult and I must say lots of American don't really get it.
A colleague at work mentioned the number of people supporting the growing shift to political violence in USA. I dug this article out
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/09/january-6-trump-political-violence-survey

Can't help feeling that it is a pity there is not another country between us and our neighbours!!
 

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Oh, I know who he is. He's the head of Blackwater mercenary group. War criminals & torturers is their reputation; they had to change their company's name like 3 times to avoid the public eye.
I've seen Ryan's videos a couple of times before, but he clearly has a soft spot for anti-government types and conspiracy mongers.
Have you seen his interview with the guy claiming to have seen advanced alien weapons at a secret US military base under Antarctica? That's the sort of content he's got.
I watched another utube about the Code Over Country book. About Seal team 6 and how illegal shit/war crimes crept into the Seals while in Afghanistan and Iraq.

War in Afghanistan/War in Iraq vs. Code Over Country.

I think after watching these videos, one should not let their country go to war, but always be ready for it.

With the occupation of Iraq by American forces, the special forces needed more people and then every government agency wanted into Iraq. Those agencies needed security in a place of constant guerilla warfare. Blackwater was one of many security companies, that the various US departments used over in Iraq and Afghanistan.

War criminals and torturers. Well a few bad apples can give the whole unit a bad name (watch that code over country video). The problem is that there is little time to enforce laws and regulations, when the next combat is expected within the next day. Another was weak/inexperienced leadership on the officer side to enforce rules etc. There is no doubt that war crimes happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. Will all of them be prosecuted, probably not. Iraq and Afghanistan are in the past. The thing about Iraq was the constant sniping and car bombings. You see a car coming at you, you wave for it to stop and it keeps coming, a good security guy/operator shoots first.

Erik Prince sold the company in 2010. Hence the name changes. Or maybe he still owns it under another company, who knows. I liked the interviews he did with Ryan. Although I would classify them both (prince and ryan) of seeking a smaller government, with alot more business competition Vs. big company monopolies/government corruption/interference. Too much red tape and loopholes to jump through, to start a business up etc.

Prince also talks about why the US lost in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Interesting. Mostly too many agencies had their fingers in the pie, and they weren't eliminating/identifying the opposing forces against them (sniping, ambushes, car bombs etc in both countries). What that marine shirt motto "Join the marines, go to other countries and meet interesting people, kill them, and let god sort them out.

Blackwater business model was to get things done. They also had cheaper prices then the other companies, but still did the job. It was why they expanded so fast since 2000. Like any niche, Blackwater got its "mercenaries" by word of mouth in the special forces organizations. Blackwater got all the training a special ops guy would need, in one spot. One stop shopping.
 

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A colleague at work mentioned the number of people supporting the growing shift to political violence in USA. I dug this article out
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/09/january-6-trump-political-violence-survey

Can't help feeling that it is a pity there is not another country between us and our neighbours!!
People are fed up with the garbage their governments are feeding them. Crooked politicians putting their needs first, not the citizens from their state, congressional area. Politicians that lie, cheat and steal. If not the politicians its the bureaucracy that keep spinning loops around even simple tasks, because that is what bureaucracies do is create rules and regulations to justify their jobs. Any one hear the rumours that all politicians are crooks....
Taxes, taxes, and more taxes...
A good company looks after its employees, by good wages, profit sharing, safety and working conditions, time off etc. (small ma and pa businesses)
A bad company is looking for profits at any cost, so low wages, cut in benefits, long working hours, shitty overdemanding bosses, safety is eliminated, environmental laws ignored etc. (Corporate businesses).
Debt and money problems, lead to mental stresses. Violence is a good stress relief....
But seriously, life is way too complicated nowadays with the fucken red tape, this rule or that rule. Buy a house and the 50 complication and rules that come with that. People want less stressful lives. Simple vs Complicated.

As for Ukraine, you wonder why Russia wants a buffer zone....

That same shit is happening on a smaller scale in Canada.
 

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The world is a very complex entity, and some simplicity and common sense may be necessary. However, does history not tell us to be very wary to the leaders who offer simple and final solutions?

How would you simplify things 80?
 

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I watched another utube about the Code Over Country book. About Seal team 6 and how illegal shit/war crimes crept into the Seals while in Afghanistan and Iraq.

War in Afghanistan/War in Iraq vs. Code Over Country.

I think after watching these videos, one should not let their country go to war, but always be ready for it.

With the occupation of Iraq by American forces, the special forces needed more people and then every government agency wanted into Iraq. Those agencies needed security in a place of constant guerilla warfare. Blackwater was one of many security companies, that the various US departments used over in Iraq and Afghanistan.

War criminals and torturers. Well a few bad apples can give the whole unit a bad name (watch that code over country video). The problem is that there is little time to enforce laws and regulations, when the next combat is expected within the next day. Another was weak/inexperienced leadership on the officer side to enforce rules etc. There is no doubt that war crimes happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. Will all of them be prosecuted, probably not. Iraq and Afghanistan are in the past. The thing about Iraq was the constant sniping and car bombings. You see a car coming at you, you wave for it to stop and it keeps coming, a good security guy/operator shoots first.

Erik Prince sold the company in 2010. Hence the name changes. Or maybe he still owns it under another company, who knows. I liked the interviews he did with Ryan. Although I would classify them both (prince and ryan) of seeking a smaller government, with alot more business competition Vs. big company monopolies/government corruption/interference. Too much red tape and loopholes to jump through, to start a business up etc.

Prince also talks about why the US lost in Afghanistan and in Iraq. Interesting. Mostly too many agencies had their fingers in the pie, and they weren't eliminating/identifying the opposing forces against them (sniping, ambushes, car bombs etc in both countries). What that marine shirt motto "Join the marines, go to other countries and meet interesting people, kill them, and let god sort them out.

Blackwater business model was to get things done. They also had cheaper prices then the other companies, but still did the job. It was why they expanded so fast since 2000. Like any niche, Blackwater got its "mercenaries" by word of mouth in the special forces organizations. Blackwater got all the training a special ops guy would need, in one spot. One stop shopping.
"Code over country", indeed. Looser controls in general, murky and greedy motivations, and maybe some personnel that joined because they are rapid thugs who would have been drummed out of a real military.

It is not that different than the "thing blue line" excuse that is made when some cops do bad things but other cops refuse to inform upon them, because of the pressure to never do something against your team (even if the offenses are things that hurt your team).

Blackwater expanded fast because the patronage of a Republican regime that wanted all sorts of wars (Project for a New American Century, look it up), but also ideologically believed in privatizing everything, even the primary functions of government: warfare, intelligence, policing, prison guarding. Hence the "security contractor" firms which sprouted up, no longer called "mercenaries" even though that is what they are - close cousins to hitmen, who kill for money not country. Well when you employ militarized hitmen in military & intelligence roles, as a government, you get to unleash war crimes, but have a measure of legal deniability for what they've done (what you allowed them to do) . You can say "well it wasn't us, it was bad apples in this private company".It's bullshit, nobody in places like Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria thought of them as anything other than yet more American soldiers. Look at Wagner group, the Russia-spawned version of Blackwater: does anyone in the west look at them and not see Putin & the Kremlin behind what they do and where they go? Nope. Perhaps even Russia's most effective force since they are not bound by the kind of top-down doctrines that [negatively] affect the Russian military. Mercenaries also have less protection from harm than soldiers, because the governments that sent them will disown them, and the ones who capture them know that. Old-school war rules are clear - soldiers belonging to a real country with an official army have POW protections; mercenaries and partisans/terrorists have none, and can be killed on the spot.

As for why "they" lost in Afghanistan & Iraq, they can dance around with all kinds of weak justifications, keep up the myth that it was bureaucrats or whatever, but nope. The real reason is (and I am going to avoid doing a long explanation):

In Iraq, they lost because they never should have been there in the first place. Everyone except the Kurds hated their guts, and was prepared to fight them endlessly. The world warned them not to, they ignored and even denounced those nations which told them no (even allies like Canada). They wrongly invaded a country, and while beating its official army in official battle was easy, trying to hold down a country by force which wants very badly to get rid of you proved much harder. Also their problems elsewhere multiplied as a result. That brings us too...

Afghanistan. The world understood America's need to get revenge for 9/11 (call it payback, or just not letting yourself look weak - they understand it perhaps more than the USA itself does). Initial success was gained smashing down the Taliban and Al Qaida with northern alliance help. Most Afghans were happy to see that regime gone, so things went well at first. But then the Bush government took its eyes of the AfPak theatre, downplayed the need to avenge 9/11 and kill Bin Laden, and concentrated on invading Iraq. Well that decision cost them basically all their goodwill in the muslim world, empowered every salafist jihadi group on earth with a huge propaganda win, allowed Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to rebuild the Taliban until it was strong enough to take over again. The US struggled on with their allies for many years, long after they had doomed their own efforts. Sure, they got Bin Laden eventually, rubbing Pakistan's nose in the shit, but 10 years after 9/11, and long after the rest of the world had stopped trusting them.

You cannot pacify a country that hates your guts. You cannot make someone else's culture what you want it to be. You can't hold the moral high ground around the world if how you fight includes atrocities and betrayals.
"Nation building"? Don't make me laugh. Every place the Americans have tried that in this century is more fucked up than it was before they arrived. Once again, no wins to be found when the situation itself is rotten from the get-go, or develops that way early on.

Did you ever watch that long documentary series about the Vietnam war? The really appalling thing is how early they knew it was not going to go their way, but they kept going and going for almost a decade after that, and most of the lives lost were for a cause which they basically already knew was lost.

These mercs should not be the ones to complain about Afghanistan or Iraq or the rest. They got a lot of work doing shady things for even shadier reasons, not just in these places, but everywhere else Uncle Sam stuck his nose in with some "privatized warfare".
 
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A colleague at work mentioned the number of people supporting the growing shift to political violence in USA. I dug this article out
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/09/january-6-trump-political-violence-survey

Can't help feeling that it is a pity there is not another country between us and our neighbours!!

Oh for certain this is the case. "Cooler heads" are not prevailing down there, not at any point this century. The politics are getting more resentful, more threatening, escalating and major political violence.
However, even Trump has just been running plays from the playbook that was already there. It does not go away if he goes away.

Right now the US political scene is like a couple going through a bitter divorce - including weaponizing the children against the other parent.
Honestly, maybe they need to have a civil war. To hash it out in blood until it is settled, and they've learned once again what ruin looks like. They're so adept at pushing other nations into civil war, it is only natural they adopt those tactics upon each other.

Another reason why I would love to punch out any Canadian politician who takes any part of what is happening down there and tries to emulate it up here. America is having a fucking meltdown, so why should we become Chernobyl Jr.?
We need to wall ourselves off from what they are, prepare to stand strong and well apart from it while they blow up or break apart, not do the same ourselves.
 
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You can irrationally hate Justin Trudeau and the Liberals if you want. But at least they're not fucking crazy like most conservatives these days.

Idaho hospital closes its maternity ward, citing the state’s ‘political climate’
Idaho has a strict abortion ban. People living in Sandpoint, Idaho will now have to drive at least 46 miles to find the nearest hospital offering perinatal care.


https://www.today.com/parents/pregn...eral-hospital-closes-maternity-ward-rcna75776
 
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"Code over country", indeed. Looser controls in general, murky and greedy motivations, and maybe some personnel that joined because they are rapid thugs who would have been drummed out of a real military.

It is not that different than the "thing blue line" excuse that is made when some cops do bad things but other cops refuse to inform upon them, because of the pressure to never do something against your team (even if the offenses are things that hurt your team).

Blackwater expanded fast because the patronage of a Republican regime that wanted all sorts of wars (Project for a New American Century, look it up), but also ideologically believed in privatizing everything, even the primary functions of government: warfare, intelligence, policing, prison guarding. Hence the "security contractor" firms which sprouted up, no longer called "mercenaries" even though that is what they are - close cousins to hitmen, who kill for money not country. Well when you employ militarized hitmen in military & intelligence roles, as a government, you get to unleash war crimes, but have a measure of legal deniability for what they've done (what you allowed them to do) . You can say "well it wasn't us, it was bad apples in this private company".It's bullshit, nobody in places like Iraq or Afghanistan or Syria thought of them as anything other than yet more American soldiers. Look at Wagner group, the Russia-spawned version of Blackwater: does anyone in the west look at them and not see Putin & the Kremlin behind what they do and where they go? Nope. Perhaps even Russia's most effective force since they are not bound by the kind of top-down doctrines that [negatively] affect the Russian military. Mercenaries also have less protection from harm than soldiers, because the governments that sent them will disown them, and the ones who capture them know that. Old-school war rules are clear - soldiers belonging to a real country with an official army have POW protections; mercenaries and partisans/terrorists have none, and can be killed on the spot.

As for why "they" lost in Afghanistan & Iraq, they can dance around with all kinds of weak justifications, keep up the myth that it was bureaucrats or whatever, but nope. The real reason is (and I am going to avoid doing a long explanation):

In Iraq, they lost because they never should have been there in the first place. Everyone except the Kurds hated their guts, and was prepared to fight them endlessly. The world warned them not to, they ignored and even denounced those nations which told them no (even allies like Canada). They wrongly invaded a country, and while beating its official army in official battle was easy, trying to hold down a country by force which wants very badly to get rid of you proved much harder. Also their problems elsewhere multiplied as a result. That brings us too...

Afghanistan. The world understood America's need to get revenge for 9/11 (call it payback, or just not letting yourself look weak - they understand it perhaps more than the USA itself does). Initial success was gained smashing down the Taliban and Al Qaida with northern alliance help. Most Afghans were happy to see that regime gone, so things went well at first. But then the Bush government took its eyes of the AfPak theatre, downplayed the need to avenge 9/11 and kill Bin Laden, and concentrated on invading Iraq. Well that decision cost them basically all their goodwill in the muslim world, empowered every salafist jihadi group on earth with a huge propaganda win, allowed Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to rebuild the Taliban until it was strong enough to take over again. The US struggled on with their allies for many years, long after they had doomed their own efforts. Sure, they got Bin Laden eventually, rubbing Pakistan's nose in the shit, but 10 years after 9/11, and long after the rest of the world had stopped trusting them.

You cannot pacify a country that hates your guts. You cannot make someone else's culture what you want it to be. You can't hold the moral high ground around the world if how you fight includes atrocities and betrayals.
"Nation building"? Don't make me laugh. Every place the Americans have tried that in this century is more fucked up than it was before they arrived. Once again, no wins to be found when the situation itself is rotten from the get-go, or develops that way early on.

Did you ever watch that long documentary series about the Vietnam war? The really appalling thing is how early they knew it was not going to go their way, but they kept going and going for almost a decade after that, and most of the lives lost were for a cause which they basically already knew was lost.

These mercs should not be the ones to complain about Afghanistan or Iraq or the rest. They got a lot of work doing shady things for even shadier reasons, not just in these places, but everywhere else Uncle Sam stuck his nose in with some "privatized warfare".
Sure you can. You just kill everyone. And let God sort them out.....
But seriously after the army came into both countries, they tried to make big government work through bribing warlords and politicians, when they should of been creating a working class that had jobs, that created other jobs employing the people of those countries, creating a future for them on their own. Instead they left them unemployment and time on their hands. Ideal situation for religious fanatics to persuade the men to come to their side.
Americans rebuilt Japan and Germany and most of Europe.
The Roman Empire smashed its enemies for centuries 200 BC to 100AD in Rome and died the slow death from 500 AD to 1400AD. It only took a few plaques and a Christian army to loot Constantinople. Romans ruled with fear...
For that 1979 movie, Apocalypse Now, the renegade colonel had dark plans to win.
Lets just say that without those dark plans, any other plan was not going to win the war to the politicos satisfaction.... If you don't win by jobs and a good economy, the other option is too terrible to consider.
If you plan a war, you have to finish it. Then rebuild, and move on. The Americans did not do a good job of rebuilding in Iraq or Afghanistan.
 

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Sure you can. You just kill everyone. And let God sort them out.....
But seriously after the army came into both countries, they tried to make big government work through bribing warlords and politicians, when they should of been creating a working class that had jobs, that created other jobs employing the people of those countries, creating a future for them on their own. Instead they left them unemployment and time on their hands. Ideal situation for religious fanatics to persuade the men to come to their side.
Americans rebuilt Japan and Germany and most of Europe.
The Roman Empire smashed its enemies for centuries 200 BC to 100AD in Rome and died the slow death from 500 AD to 1400AD. It only took a few plaques and a Christian army to loot Constantinople. Romans ruled with fear...
For that 1979 movie, Apocalypse Now, the renegade colonel had dark plans to win.
Lets just say that without those dark plans, any other plan was not going to win the war to the politicos satisfaction.... If you don't win by jobs and a good economy, the other option is too terrible to consider.
If you plan a war, you have to finish it. Then rebuild, and move on. The Americans did not do a good job of rebuilding in Iraq or Afghanistan.
i agree... and would add that social norms and laws need to be in place for people to actually be able to believe that change is possible.

the situation in Afghanistan is horrific for womens rights. they don't get no say. and i was struck how society props up polygamy. to the point where pedophile 70 year old guys would trade daughters and send their sons off on Jihad to get blown up. the war actually worked in their favour as getting rid of the young males meant less push back on these old farts enslaving teenage girls.
 

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People living in Sandpoint, Idaho will now have to drive at least 46 miles to find the nearest hospital offering perinatal care.
Many documented cases already of women suffering or dying because of these idiotic maga laws. The maga taliban doesn’t care about babies, they only want to hurt everyone else.
 

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As for Ukraine, you wonder why Russia wants a buffer zone....

really? who in the west has tried to invade Russia in the last 50 years?

Russia, just like China wants other's land, claiming it's rightfully their lands to begin with

if Nato was really about defending itself, it's citizens

then it should have taken out Russia itself after they downed a plane over Ukraine with plenty of it's citizens on it

or they should have when Putin has exterminated numerous people on their soil, along with the other attempts

Russia has been deemed a Military Giant for decades, when in fact it's a 3rd world country

Just like China is considered a Economic Powerhouse, when it's not, it's average citizen has an average income of about 7$ an hour

not to mention just like Russia they LIE about pretty much everything, LIKE NATO IS TRYING TO DESTROY THEM

your statement is the type of stuff they use for propaganda

useful idiots look it up

we have plenty in our governments, not as many as the countries next to Russia right now

your statement is silly at best
 
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Speaker Kevin McCarthy is out, lasting a scant 24 Scaramuccis.

How did conservatism get this crazy? They can't govern. They won't govern. All they want is chaos.
 

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really? who in the west has tried to invade Russia in the last 50 years?

Russia, just like China wants other's land, claiming it's rightfully their lands to begin with

if Nato was really about defending itself, it's citizens

then it should have taken out Russia itself after they downed a plane over Ukraine with plenty of it's citizens on it

or they should have when Putin has exterminated numerous people on their soil, along with the other attempts

Russia has been deemed a Military Giant for decades, when in fact it's a 3rd world country

Just like China is considered a Economic Powerhouse, when it's not, it's average citizen has an average income of about 7$ an hour

not to mention just like Russia they LIE about pretty much everything, LIKE NATO IS TRYING TO DESTROY THEM

your statement is the type of stuff they use for propaganda

useful idiots look it up

we have plenty in our governments, not as many as the countries next to Russia right now

your statement is silly at best
That line was sarcasm. About having a country between Canada and the US; or a buffer state. Isn't that what Russia is doing, trying to get a buffer state.

It kinda like all northern US states that border Canada will turn purple....Purple comes from mixing two primary colours; Red and Blue.....:rolleyes::rolleyes:

As to who invaded Russia in the last 50 years. Corporate America did. You know Coke-a-Cola, McDonalds, smart phone companies etc all after Russia allowed the Warsaw pact countries to go their own way. Putin was losing his grip, not just in the buffer countries, but in the economic battle with corporate America.
 
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Many documented cases already of women suffering or dying because of these idiotic maga laws. The maga taliban doesn’t care about babies, they only want to hurt everyone else.
The best one I heard was a young boy accused a woman of adultery. It was found to be untrue. The punishment for the boy was that his sister got to be gang-raped by the village elders....This is so fucked up in so many ways.
 
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