Ukraine is now at war with Russia - official and only Ukraine Thread
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Onlyfans re-instated the russian accounts after 3 days. But these mass sanctions will at least be able to maybe put the gullible Russian civilians on notice. Months of no western comforts and no import export will definitely put people in a crunch.
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Apparently Putin is going to declare martial law in Russia tomorrow, so whatever the citizens think won't really matter. Taking dictatorship to the next level.
The problem is selling the news (to make profit). Direct it to the people you want to influence. Problem is: true journalism gives both sides of the issue. Alot of public TV stations in the 1950 (in the US) had a mandate to report both sides. Today we sensationalize news, to seduce people.
Any type of news today has to get rid of the personal opinionated verbal diarrhia and Report facts.
Yes different opinions are good. But making it all one sided is bad.
He is already in an dictatorship, look at how he corrected a member of his Counsil of Ministers, when he stated they should try and negotiate with the Ukraine.
WW1
Started because of the ego of Wilhelm Kaiser II. In the 1870 Otto von Bismarck, had treaties that protected Germany from ever facing a 2 front war (one in west and one in east). The Kaiser when he became Emperor of Germany broke those treaties, and Germany started on a military build up of Ships to surpass Britain. Because of other secret treaties in Europe, Russia went to war against Austro-Hungary, Germany Backed Austro-Hungarian, France back Russia, and England threw in with Russian and France.
It the aftermath of WW1 where the victors split up German and Austro-Hungarian. It was a land grab for the victors with out a consultation of the people that lived in those areas. Also Germany was made to pay for war reparations. This caused inflation to happen in Germany and the economy collapsed. Enough so that Hitler rose to power with the promise of making "Germany Great Again" and to throw off the Treaty of Versailles.
Hitler became the dictator of Germany.
WW2
Hitler started land grabbing from Czechoslovakia and no European country said no. He invaded Poland on a pretense, France and Britain then declared War on Germany (this is considered the start of WW2 in Sept of 1939). In Germany in the 1930s Hitler legislated out any other party but the Nazis, eliminating opposition from with his own government. Goebbels took control of all radio stations and internal communications (now there was only 1 official point of view). Strong arm thugs (brown shirts) went into the streets to beat and threaten any form of opposition to the Nazis. The brown shirt leadership was eliminated (out right killed) on the Night of Long Knives and other political opposition known as a Blood Purge in June 1934.
WW3 (hopefully this is just a border issue, no the start of a nuclear war)
Putin starts to regain countries lost in the 1990s by invasions or show of force in ex-soviet blockade countries in the 2000s.
Skip to invading Crimea on total bogus reasons, mostly because Ukraine threw off his interfering ways in 2014.
In 2020 and 2021 Putin starts to eliminate opposition to him within the Russian state. This includes independent news organization and people who question his policies.
Skip to invading Ukraine in 2022 on the pretext of getting rid of Neo-Nazi's, he starts in a news conference telling NATO to stay out of his business. Hence meaning he will use nuclear weapons if he has to.
Because the invasion of Ukraine is not going well, he makes a demand to increase Russia's nuclear arsenal to alert status. Individuals who think Putin's invasion is unjust, are going to Ukraine to fight against tyranny.
The majority of the Russian troops are still in Russia around the Borders of Ukraine, mostly planes, artillery and rocket batteries. Most of these are hitting cities (killing Ukrainian citizens).
To throw off the Russian invasion, Ukraine is receiving aid from European countries through material war supplies like anti-tank projectiles, anti-air plane missiles, ammunitions and flak vests, helmets etc. Also unarmed Ukrainian people are putting themselves in front of tanks and military columns to try and stop the Russian Forces in Ukraine.
One big thing the Ukrainian have to do is eliminate the artillery and planes and rockets coming from inside Russia.
Also the rest of the Western world is sending humanitarian supplies to bordering Ukrainian countries like Poland, who are receiving large amount of refugees fleeing the violence of the Russian Invasion.
Also more economic sanctions have be placed on Russia. In the hope that the people within Russia will force Putin to back down. Me personally, I hope they fucken hang that Bastard.
Any protest in Russian,protesting the invasion have been silenced. Information is still making its way from Western sources to the people of Russia through satellite communications.
The most favoured outcome of this is for Russian officials to arrest Putin and put him on trial for war crimes. But most likely he would like to fight it out to the bitter end surrounded by yes men, and commit suicide like Hitler did, at the end of the German war in WW2.
Seems there are alot of similarities to the between the dumb Dictators of Germany and Putin.
Maldives and Montenegro are where the Russian oligarchs'' boats are going to. This is to prevent their capture by countries employing sanctions against the Russian invasion of Ukraine.
So I predict alot of stolen superyachts in the near future, which will end up back in European waters...
Hell they should arrest the oligarchs and put them into protective custody.... see how they like that....
So I predict alot of stolen superyachts in the near future, which will end up back in European waters...
Hell they should arrest the oligarchs and put them into protective custody.... see how they like that....
If they don't control inflation and we see 1980 interest rates. That'll be our market soon too.
It seems like that a few of yous never really dipped in the history between those two countries. I'll leave this link below if anyone is interested:
May god have mercy on all their souls
May god have mercy on all their souls
That's pretty true.
They warn people against the other side's stuff being "propaganda", but their own stuff is all written from a common script too.
Just try finding actually independent reporting. Impossible.
If any foreigners (non-Ukrainians) get captured on the battlefield by the Russians there, I don't think they'll get treated as regular POWs. Like how they treated foreign ISIS fighters they got in Syria. Whacked.
In fact, in WW2, her grandfather was in the Ukranian SS. Ran some fascist newspaper apparently.
Trump may have admired Putin for messing with Hillary Clinton, for disliking Obama so much, and having lots of young honeys on the side (Putin always projects being the image of a real "man's man"), so I guess a guy like Putin could manipulate Trump very easily. But it was never the case that the US was actually pro-Russia while Trump was president. If it had been, all this Ukraine-into-NATO shit could have been stopped before Biden ever became president, and then there would be no war today.
Remember that Trump had some extremely anti-Russia people in his foreign policy circle too (Bolton, Pompeo); those sort of people Washington never really change their mind. He'd get rid of some of them when they annoyed him, but they also managed to manipulate him, because he knew jack shit about foreign policy & military affairs. Used by Putin a bit, but much more by the Israelis and Saudis. They got basically anything they asked for.
I think to a lesser degree, both Obama and Trudeau had this problem in common with Trump. Lack of knowledge about world affairs makes them subject to manipulation by certain kinds of establishment hawks, who sucker them into taking positions that are much more aggressive and problem-causing than they ever realize.
When Obama became president, Putin did seek better relations with him at first, because Bush was so belligerent. Instead of a reset, Obama just followed Hillary's lead and carried on Bush policies of expansion & aggression. Russia held its hand out, and got it slapped away. That's why Putin disliked Obama maybe more than Bush in the end, and absolutely despised Hillary Clinton.
The Russians look at the last 20 years of US actions and see nothing but arrogance & belligerence; every peace guarantee betrayed, every Russian national security red line ignored.
At some point the Russians said "well if you're going to treat us as the enemy no matter what we do, then we will truly act like one". The Russians are convinced that the Americans have bad intentions to Russia no matter what, and will never seen reason - only force works, so now from now on, force is the only thing they will use.
That's why I see this conflict as very dangerous. There is no cure for Russia's anger anymore, nor any cure for US arrogance that caused it. A lot of the motivation is vengeance.
Today for the anti-Russia headline grabber they talk up their ban on Russian oil imports by Canada, but this Russian oil import ban is symbolic. We have never depended on their oil, nor are they worried about losing Canada as a customer. Anything we get from Russia can be easily made up from other sources (even Iran, if they want to be a bit daring).
All the previous talk of oil and where we get it previously, Russia never even got mentioned in the media. It was known we imported some from the Saudis /Gulf and a few other places, and people criticized that. The largest source of imports to Canada is the US, which seems weird considering we export so much oil to them from our own oil reserves. I think this has to do with grades of oil compared what the refineries are built to handle; we import the lighter kind we don't have, not the heavy kind that we do.
If not for that, Canada would enough oil from the oilsands to meet our domestic needs and still have some surplus to export. Our refining capacity is also limited, to the point where in BC, we export oil to the US that then gets refined and sent back us as gasoline or diesel. Our fuel imports come from Canadian oil mostly refined in Washington state.
It sounds stupid, but remember when they built the refineries and pipelines that supply them, they were not considering a nationalized system focused achieving domestic self-sufficiency first (fixing that was the idea of Trudeau's NEP and Alberta hated it intensely).
A quick look at where we go the oil, pre-sanctions:
https://www.cer-rec.gc.ca/en/data-a...ts-decreased-in-2020-and-so-did-the-cost.html
https://www.capp.ca/energy/markets/
Russia will not miss us. It's just a few more dollars they won't have, but compared to what they were getting from China and Europe, it was insignificant.
Zelensky is all that, but Azov Battalion and Right Sector are the neo-nazi backbone of what put him the Maidan government in power, and form the elite of Ukraine army (now trained by Canadians). When Washington pulls the strings on both of them, this shit does not matter.Wow, talk about tone deaf and blind. Putin is a total shitbag former/current spy who has had pursued a belligerent world posture and killed his opposition outright, or poisoned then from afar for years. He's systematically plundered their economy for decades for his own gain and that of his cronies. The Ukraine is run by a former TV comedian who has personally put his own life on the line since this thing started. He's a Jew whose great grandfather died in the Holocaust. Lots of jewish neo-nazis out there, you are right on the money.
I am sure they aren't choir boys, but most corrupt? Not even close. Russia, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, lots of contenders far ahead of them on that list.
NATO means America; America rules NATO, period.
Nobody seriously thinks the other NATO countries were ever acting in their own interests primarily.
The EU for many years talked about creating a Euro-only military alliance, to counter this very problem of US domination, but it was an idea always opposed by the most pro-US governments (like the UK and Poland).
In the end, it looks now like NATO has completely co-opted the EU, rather than Europe actually standing up for itself. All pretense of European independence from them has disappeared.
(Which when you think of all this, pretty much proves what Russia was always saying to Europe, about why it did not want Ukraine to join either organization.)
I agree. The age of objective reporting is over. What we get now is censored, cancel cultured clickbait.
Lack of funds for real journalism has meant they're lazy now, and will accept whatever's spoon fed to them by people with a political agenda. Eventually, the networks just mutate into a something that just picks one side and spews its propaganda endlessly.
Dissent is dead. Letting people see the raw facts and decide for themselves is dead.
This is as true in the west as in Russia or China.
My point being is that news report show will show you a snippet of a video and give you a narrative. First encounter videos allow the view to make their own opinion and interpretation.
As the old saying goes you got a point there, if you wore a toque you could cover it.
I wish I would be able to deal in absolute as you do but sadly I don't . You make good points but the NATO of the 2000s is not the NATO of 1949 .
Let us imaging for a second that Russia with the vast natural ressources that they have on a territory 70% bigger than Canada and 3 times our population would have developed economically without so much mismanagement, corruption and authoritarianism ... What would have been their economic development at this point after the fall of the Soviet Union and the influence they would have gained ?
What would have been the incline of the former communists countries of eastern Europe and the Baltic countries if Russia would have stopped trying to influence them out of nostalgia of their former Empire ? Or what would have been their incline if Russia would have mind their own business in Georgia and other tensions / conflicts with former satellite countries ?
Maybe just maybe some shades of grey has to be added when we draw the picture of how the US and Russia behaved in the last 3 decades and how or what influenced the decisions of former communist countries to join NATO
https://images.app.goo.gl/WkHY85ND8bgiXfaS8
If anyone is wondering where Shakerod is in this Russian marching band .... He's the fellow on the far right playing trumpet.
General Patton wanted to continue on and defeat russia after Germany surrendered. He was truly a visionary. How much better off the world would have been if his superiors had listened to him in 1945.
Regardless of my qualifications or naïveté about history.
Still doesn’t justify opening an invasion of a country. While portraying it as a “special operation”, to “de-natzify” a country. I still haven’t seen any “proof” that Vladimir Putin and the Russian foreign minister Laverov keep repeating.
If Ukraine is as guilty as you think, then where is Russia’s push for objective monitors or investigation on the matter?
The silencing of all media critical of the invasion…. Protesters of the invasion in Russia being arrested as well.
@Shakerod care to enlighten?
