Trump for President. Who's hopping on the bandwagon? Who's digging a bunker?

[Tugela]

I just wonder how many of his supporters realize that the rallying cry for Democrats in 2020 is going to be "Lock him up!".

It will be an election issue even in 2018 I think. They will be looking to regain control of the house and senate, and will be using the promise of impeachment as their primary weapon to achieve it. The guy will have to be squeaky clean, but I think that is unlikely based on his resistance to disclosure and reluctance to avoid conflicts of interests.

 

[Hugh Jass]

It just goes to show how hypocritical his supporters are. Clinton's conflicts were trivial, but his will be massive. For his supporters her conflicts were completely unacceptable, but his are not a problem.

Influence peddling is trivial now is it?

This from the guy who believes that only elites should be allowed to vote.

It is not me who is telling them, it is opportunists like Trump who are. He is using them to get personal power. It is just like in any other walk of life. Take a business for example. Do you really think that a janitor or receptionist is going to be knowledgeable or thoughtful enough to make sound business decisions or direct the company? Hell no. Every company that has been turned over to Janitorial management has failed completely. The reason they cannot do that is those sorts of people simply do not know enough, or understand how things work to make reasoned informed decisions. Why do you think it will be any different in political management? People who cant manage their way out of a paper bag are not suddenly going to be come wise just because politics are involved.

There are usually very few people who can make sensible decisions. Unfortunately their voices are drowned out by all those janitors and others like them out there.

Let me ask you this question - what do you do for a living? Are you willing to tell me that other people, who know little or nothing about what you do should have an equal voice in deciding on how best you should do your job? Because that is basically what you are arguing for.

The harsh reality is the elites usually DO know better than the drones. After all, that is exactly why they are elite in the first place.

The average joe IS uninformed and generally ignorant however. That is why they can be swayed by demagogues like Trump and his ilk, who just make stuff up. Those guys know that if you say stuff often enough, not matter how untrue or ridiculous, the average joe will believe it because (A) the don't know anything themselves, and (B) they are just not smart enough to figure out anything themselves - they have to be told.

And he still doesn't realize that the insufferable anti democratic elistist attitude of people like him is exactly why Trump won.

 

[badbadboy]

Alternate Facts?

Come on. Really?

New spin from the Spin Specialist

#NotAlternateFacts

 

[clu]

After all, they were talking about "alternative facts" later on (FYI: "alternative facts" is the PC term for "lies"). Apparently it is now OK in the White House to completely make stuff up.

The only alternative to facts is fiction.

Though I wouldn't call it PC. Not all doublespeak is PC. But speaking of doublespeak, from 1984:

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

 

[sdw]

lol, one has to wonder just who the "Intelligence Community" wanted to win. Hillary Clinton was destroyed in the last week by the FBI Director's letter to Congress. Donald Trump certainly has been harmed with the Russian Hacking stuff.

The "Intelligence Community" has been getting away with so much shit over the last few decades that they have forgotten that the American system is a two party system with only two viable candidates available too vote for. If the "Intelligence Community" hadn't played partisan games, Hillary might have won. She lost just enough lefty votes by lefties that were shocked by the FBI accusations - that she lost states that the Democrats normally win. Trump didn't lose any votes because his supporters "KNOW" that there was a "conspiracy by the left wing press and the corrupt system" to prevent him from being elected. That was Trump's major meme for the entire election - and it was masterfully played.

It's already clear that the "Russia Report" by the British Spy was paid for by Republicans and Democrats that were terrified of losing their influence in the American Political System.

And - they have lost their influence. Nobody knows the rules anymore because an unconnected madman is now running the country.

I doubt that Trump can win a second term. He really doesn't know how to increase employment or even "Make America Great Again". But- they won't be able to successfully impeach him and the people that supported him will probably support Tea Party Republicans in 2018.

It doesn't matter who wins in 2020, they aren't going to be able to fix the damage in one or even several terms of office.

 

[westwoody]

Watching the actions of idiots in the streets of Washington was sad. Those people are neither Republican or Democrats.
They are angry but have nowhere to direct their frusrations. So they rampage against everyone and everything in the ruling elite.
Trump and Clinton were identical as far as the underclass is concerned, both are totally removed from the reality of someone struggling to make ends meet.

I can only see the USA becoming more and more fractious and angry over the next four years. Lines of police keeping the commoners away from the rich elite partygoers...not a good sight for a democracy of equal citizens. Conversely Trump's supporters have high hopes, they expect their high paying, secure, union jobs in factories will come back and it wil be 1965 again. They are going to be disappointed. Nobody is going to recoup the huge differential in wages between the Chinese worker and the American worker.

Apple has a hundred billion in cash. They could create thousands of jobs, so why isn't anyone protesting against Apple?
Instead they line up to buy up every new IPhone and cry about being broke.
People can't see past their own nose anymore.
They have a two minute attention span.
Complex problems that took years to develop require complex difficult solutions, not one-liners or tweets.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You are so right WW.
Now a days people only believe what they want to believe be they Republican, Democrats or whatever. And the same applies to this country. That's how we end up with idiots like Trudeau demonizing hard working oil workers to the rest of the country.
No one is open to an actual discussion of the facts anymore on both sides. They have their preconceived ideas and only listen to/accept the facts that fit their ideology.
The Hollywood wine glass socialists should maybe try and put themselves in the shoes of the out of work factory worker and look at things from their perspective. If I'm scraping to feed my family, I really couldn't care if the guy I'm hoping will get me back to work likes to grab pussies.
In his final speech Obama addressed this and yet Democrats are as guilty of this as Republicans.

Cheers

 

[DB Cooper57]

http://wouldisurviveanuke.com/ For anybody thinking about building the bunker this site will tell you if it's worth it :couch2:

 

[sdw]

Watching the actions of idiots in the streets of Washington was sad. Those people are neither Republican or Democrats.
They are angry but have nowhere to direct their frusrations. So they rampage against everyone and everything in the ruling elite.
Trump and Clinton were identical as far as the underclass is concerned, both are totally removed from the reality of someone struggling to make ends meet.

The American voter got what they deserved. Many didn't vote, some because they believed the polls that said Hillary was going win easily - some because they believed the Director of the FBI when he said that Hillary is a crook - some because Hillary wasn't enough of a feminist for them.

Now, they are whining because it has percolated into their tiny brains that all of the "Social Safety Net" stuff that Obama and Hillary were willing to pay for - are gone. The Donald isn't willing to pay for that stuff. Goodbye Federal Funding for Abortion - the third bill that the Donald signed abolished it for NGOs and his first order of business is to abolish it in the USA.

The media wasn't helping. They were only too happy to report the fake polling numbers, only too happy to report the partisan attack by the Director of the FBI. The media still isn't helping. They are reporting a clumsy Photoshop job as if it was real news.

Here's what Trump saw as he took the Oath of Office 2017

Here's what Obama saw as he took the Oath of Office in 2009

The gallery below the Washington Monument has been there since at least 1963:
Trump's inauguration:

1963 March on Washington

And yet the media wants us to believe this:

They pasted the same block of crowd at least 3 times, one paste is right on top of the gallery.

There are people that have visited Washington and know what the Mall looks like, the clumsy Photoshop is already being commented upon. How much credibility does the media still have?

 

[westwoody]

I do not belive the picture was photoshopped.
The Photographer was working for Reuters and they are credible.
I have taken pictures from the same vantage point at the top of the monument (fucking huge by the way). I have walked all over the Mall, seen Marine One fly overhead, and been run off the road by Presidential motorcade

I even have some pics in this phone of a SS suburban that came flying around a corner and almost rammed us head on. We saw two cop cars with lights and sirens go by and thought that was it...then like, 25 cars and trucks later, ok proceed, lol

Friends in DC that are pretty smart and trustworthy say the crowds were a fraction of 2009.

Another couple outside DC said everyone they knew was avoiding downtown like the plague all week. Not boycotting Trump, just avoiding all the bs and rabble rousers he has attracted.

 

[sdw]

I do not belive the picture was photoshopped.
The Photographer was working for Reuters and they are credible.
I have taken pictures from the same vantage point at the top of the monument (fucking huge by the way). I have walked all over the Mall, seen Marine One fly overhead, and been run off the road by Presidential motorcade

I even have some pics in this phone of a SS suburban that came flying around a corner and almost rammed us head on. We saw two cop cars with lights and sirens go by and thought that was it...then like, 25 cars and trucks later, ok proceed, lol

Friends in DC that are pretty smart and trustworthy say the crowds were a fraction of 2009.

Another couple outside DC said everyone they knew was avoiding downtown like the plague all week. Not boycotting Trump, just avoiding all the bs and rabble rousers he has attracted.

Where did the Gallery go? It's a clumsy Photoshop because you don't paste a block of crowd on top of a landmark if you don't want to be caught at it.

 

[clu]

Where did the Gallery go? It's a clumsy Photoshop because you don't paste a block of crowd on top of a landmark if you don't want to be caught at it.

Sorry what Gallery are you taking about? You're not calling those tents in the bottom of Trump's picture a gallery are you?

Here's an impartial photo from August 2008 of the same area (but wider view including more on the bottom and sides that was cropped out of the Trump and Obama shots):

Edit to add source link of image: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:View_of_the_US_Capitol_from_Washington_Monument.jpg

 

[westwoody]

I don't see what photoshop he means either.
The Reuters photo is easy to find a looks legit, as I said.

The photos are moot anyway.
The four who told me the crowds were way smaller are good enough.
They are smart, trustworthy, and capable of objective observation.

 

[uncleg]

Really...for better or worse you are the President of the fucking United States of America....does it matter who had the biggest inauguration...does it matter that you didn't win the popular vote...3 to 5 million illegals voted, enough already...you won. Legal Americans had a tough time voting in some places...still trying to figure how up to 5 million illegals would have made it into the ballot box.

An interesting article...http://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/whistler/ignorance-may-be-only-option/Content?oid=2874889

 

[Cock Throppled]

In fairness, I think the oppostion to Trump first drew attention to the crowd size, which is ironic since anti-Trumpers criticize him for being a reality TV star, yet they see some kind of relevance in crowd size.

 

[uncleg]

In fairness, I think the oppostion to Trump first drew attention to the crowd size, which is ironic since anti-Trumpers criticize him for being a reality TV star, yet they see some kind of relevance in crowd size.

O.K....so the first Black President drew a bigger crowd then the first Orange President.....so what...there are more Black people then there are Orange people.....what did they expect ?
Really though.....if image/ego is going to be a major concern for this administration then we got a shitload of problems coming that nobody expected.

 

[Caramel]

Trump cares deeply about how he is perceived and about popularity, it bothers him so much and its a top priority for him. Americans have once again proved they are one of the dumbest western/developed populations on the planet by electing him. Now he is saying 3 million people voted illegally, but is doing nothing about it. He is worried that he didn't win the popular vote, but he is the president, but that's not enough for him apparently.

This is just hilarious, I had to save it, these are democrats at a hearing displaying the ridiculousness of Trump's rhetoric lately...

 

[sdw]

Sorry what Gallery are you taking about? You're not calling those tents in the bottom of Trump's picture a gallery are you?

Here's an impartial photo from August 2008 of the same area (but wider view including more on the bottom and sides that was cropped out of the Trump and Obama shots):

If you call up the Washington DC Mall and look just west of the Washington Memorial (near 15th NW) you will see what I'm talking about when it doesn't have tents all around it. If you go a little further west, (a half block before Smithsonian Castle) you'll see that Google Earth is showing the mall all torn up with construction. I thought that might be the new WWI memorial, but that's going in Pershing Park up towards E street, so I don't know what they are doing there.

 

[rlock]

People can't see past their own nose anymore.
They have a two minute attention span.
Complex problems that took years to develop require complex difficult solutions, not one-liners or tweets.

Yup. Sad really.

That's how we end up with idiots like Trudeau demonizing hard working oil workers to the rest of the country.

Demonizing? He's been bending over backwards for big oil, kissing the ass of people like Brad Wall and Rachel Notley. It was pathetic and weak. Survival is at stake, and he still doesn't have the balls to do what's needed.

 

[rlock]

Friends in DC that are pretty smart and trustworthy say the crowds were a fraction of 2009.

Well, there was little enthusiasm this time; after that shitty campaign where both candidates were mostly disliked and voter turnout was way down, it is not surprising.