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Olivia J

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Karma and things like that

Good morning at all...
There will always be a vast array of services available on CL, some good, some great and some way below what is expected.

I know that for myself I am generous in my actions with all of my clients, I am understanding to those cancellations that are last minute, I forgive them for shorting me the $20 by mistake as long as they make it up to me.

I lavish my affection on them and give them my full attention, my sessions often run late cause I'd hate to leave you hanging.

My studio is always spic and span, I use eco friendly cleaning products, I light glorious amount of candles and use organic products as much as possible.

And not least, my feet are baby soft and toes painted some fashionable new colour, I have manicure hands to touch you with and keep my silky soft.

I would hope anyone would use their gut feeling when dealing someone, whether it be a with a potential client or a potential service provider (isn't there a better synonym than that?) Being professional is really key and isn't this a business like any other? I mean one should be on time, give the best service of their ability, being true to their word.

Reputation is everything...

 

CaraClementine

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Thinking back, I can't remember the last time that I paid anything before the end of the session. Every once in a while it happens, usually on a first encounter, but almost every time I pay the girl as one of us is headed out the door. Makes tipping easier too.

More than once the girl has blushed and said "Oh, I'd forgotten all about that!!" when I tucked some $ into her pants pocket during the goodbye kiss.
This isn't the norm, (paying after the session) but I'm glad that you are honest and pay when she forgets to ask. :cool:

This not entirely a legitimate business/hobby we are in.... and the areas are grey.


Not directed at you Island-guy, but to everyone following this thread...

I have noticed subtle and perhaps not so subtle hostility and bitterness towards SPs... or perhaps ladies in red that post. Particularly critisism of those in the $300/hr. bracket. (For the record I am $250/hr.)
You will get those who try to short cut in every price range. I do think though, that this is more common with annonymous C.L. girls. Those who don't have much to lose and will not think twice about shorting you.

There are sensitive topics, and this appears to be one.

I'm not going to win fans by saying this, but I agree with HB40... time to find a new hobby if you find yourself disillusioned, and disappointed... or step back and take a break. Screen the potential SP more. This is not a cheap hobby - some of my hobbies are rather expensive also! ;)

I think most girls will try hard to please, as we WANT you to come back... as it's always more advantageous to have repeat clients (more comfortable, and develope good rapport).

As for getting your money back when the session goes wrong... it depends what happened. If you pay up front, and the girl did everything kosher, and the sex still sucked... then it's not fair to demand money back if she tried but you lacked chemistry.
If she isn't as advertised, do not pay - leave.
If she is as that C.L. poster described in his post, then that perhaps is a different situation.
A man should NOT however, resort to anger, and threats. :cool:

There are rotten apples in every basket.

This debate will continue on, so long as there are forums... it's like a BBBJ thread.. lol
 
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kalel

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what does pay up front mean? most of the times i usually get asked at the end for the money.

i noticed that a great many pooners replied not having any ill feelings about the "threat" at the end of the ad, while most of the sp's responded by saying it felt like a threat.

bottom line is, that many pooners get ripped off in terms of service from providers. and it's not just the low end providers either. and most sp's aren't too keen on providing a refund either when the session turns sour. i'd rather have an sp tell me up front that i'm not her type and not take my money rather than take it then offer me piss poor service.
 

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bottom line is, that many pooners get ripped off in terms of service from providers. and it's not just the low end providers either. and most sp's aren't too keen on providing a refund either when the session turns sour. i'd rather have an sp tell me up front that i'm not her type and not take my money rather than take it then offer me piss poor service.
In addition to that, I would rather SPs decline an appointment with me if they are not feeling great (cold, etc.) or tired (just returned from a trip, lack of sleep on the previous day, etc.) instead of offering a session with reduced service and enthusiasm.

This has happened quite a number of times to me. To me lackluster sessions can be especially damaging if it is a first encounter or when donations are high.
 

FortunateOne

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In addition to that, I would rather SPs decline an appointment with me if they are not feeling great (cold, etc.) or tired (just returned from a trip, lack of sleep on the previous day, etc.) instead of offering a session with reduced service and enthusiasm.

This has happened quite a number of times to me. To me lackluster sessions can be especially damaging if it is a first encounter or when donations are high.
Like a few posters suggest, then it is time to think about exactly who it is you are seeing. How can this have happened "quite a number of times" unless you are choosing to see sps who see many many clients in a day (asian micros, for example).

And I especially love all the 300/hr comments from the guys who never go to see the reputable sps who do charge more, so really have no clue as to what they do or don't do. You think someone who charges 300 an hour and sees 2 guys in one day is going to be tired or out of sorts lol.

I keep hearing all the guys saying they pay afterwards, but there isn't one sp who says she collects afterwards lol. Kind of like the marathon man who pumps away for 45 minutes, another urban myth, I guess. If you see a reputable non-micro sp you will pay first, because, unfortunately, there are far too many guys out there who try to take advantage of the sps, and try to get something for nothing. This is the sort of business where after it is done, there is no longer any incentive for the guy to come up with the correct $ amount, buyer's remorse, guilt or whatever kicks in, and if they short change the sp when paying up front in an envelope, what are they going to do with someone stupid enough to get paid afterwards.

It's got f-all to do with service and everything to do with contempt for sps and women in general. And because they think that sps don't matter, or that they are entitled or that she has nowhere to go that is what they will do. Those of you who don't simply have to live with the distrust that evolves because of those of you who do.
 

Krustee

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I would hope anyone would use their gut feeling when dealing someone, whether it be a with a potential client or a potential service provider (isn't there a better synonym than that?)
Ah - good question there Olivia!
There are several different names for a gal in your line of business.
Some are more flattering than others but we pretty much have all heard them at one time or another:
The following are from encyclopedia.com:
courtesan, prostitute, harlot, whore, woman of ill repute, streetwalker, call girl, lady of the evening.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O998-courtesan.html

This is from Thesaurus.com: courtesan
bawd, call girl, camp follower, harlot, scarlet woman, streetwalker, strumpet, tart, whore
http://thesaurus.reference.com/browse/courtesan

Merriam-Webster has no clue about a courtesan:
No entries found.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/courtesan

And the nerd needing lots of info will appreciate Encarta
(which has 2 full pages on the subject.)
Pretty much covers the gamut from ancient Greece to Bill Clinton.
http://au.encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_1481570684/Courtesans.html


Answers.com provides this definition as well as synonyms:
A woman who engages in sexual intercourse for payment: bawd, call girl, camp follower, harlot, prostitute, scarlet woman, streetwalker, strumpet, tart, whore. Slang: hooker, moll

Answers.com also provides an interesting little history on a courtesan which I will give a snippet of here:
Categories

Essentially, there were two types of courtesans.
In one category was a type of courtesan known (in Italy) as the cortigiana onesta, or the honest courtesan, who was cast as an intellectual. In the other was the cortigiana di lume, a lower class of courtesan. Although the latter was still considered better than an average working-girl, the former was the sort most often romanticized and treated more-or-less equal to women of royalty. It is with this type of courtesan that the art of "courtisanerie" is best associated.

The cortigiane oneste were usually well-educated and worldly (sometimes even more so than the average upper-class woman), and often held simultaneous careers as performers or artists. They were typically chosen on the basis of their "breeding"—social and conversational skills, intelligence, common-sense, and companionship—as well as their physical attributes. It was usually their wit and personality that set them apart from regular women.

They were prostitutes in the sense that sex was one of their obligations, but unlike the average prostitute, sex constituted only a facet of the courtesan's array of services. For example, they were expected to be well-dressed and ready to engage in a variety of topics ranging from art to music to politics.

In some cases, courtesans were from well-to-do backgrounds, and were even married – but to husbands lower on the social ladder than their clients. In these cases, their relationships with those of high social status had the potential to improve their spouses' status – and so, more often than not, the husband was aware of his wife's profession and dealings.[1]
http://www.answers.com/topic/courtesan

As you will discern from reading the Anwers.com & Encarta pages, a courtesan is traditionally not an average prostitute but a woman of a certain pedigree with the intelligence, wit, charm & education to associate with those at the royalty level.

Those who did not meet the above criteria were not considered a courtesan but a mere prostitute.

Hope this helps you to find a more appropriate term to use in your communications.

;)

Being professional is really key and isn't this a business like any other? I mean one should be on time, give the best service of their ability, being true to their word.

Reputation is everything...
Wow!
Someone who gets it!
You hit the proverbial "head on the nail" there Olivia.

A "Service Provider" can be anybody doing anything from plumbing to "laying pipe" in the bedroom by the minute.
You are in a client-provider relationship which has to be conducted in a professional manner or it causes a negative reputation for the industry.

The old saying that "It only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch" is very applicable here.
Thanks for pointing out that there are rotten apples Cara.

You gals should be concerned about these rotten apples because whether or not you are like that it is happening in your chosen field of occupation & affecting your image.

I knew this would become a heated topic when I chose to post the CL ad here.

And I know how fired up people get when;


BUT I just LOVE a good debate!
It's so invigorating for the mind & stimulates the passion of people who just cannot resist voicing their views.

So - for that reason I think I will continue to:



And I especially love all the 300/hr comments from the guys who never go to see the reputable sps who do charge more, so really have no clue as to what they do or don't do. You think someone who charges 300 an hour and sees 2 guys in one day is going to be tired or out of sorts lol.
Myself being one who has spent upwards of $500p.hr on an escort can speak with experience & candor on the fact that:
price has only an associative connection with service!!!

To date I have about 13 years in this "hobby" & would estimate my expenditures easily over $100,000

Some of my best sessions have been with a gal who just happens to LOVE her job & the company of men.

The other major criteria is that you have a connection with the provider. If you don't "click" then don't expect sparks in the bedroom.

I keep hearing all the guys saying they pay afterwards, but there isn't one sp who says she collects afterwards lol.
I rarely have paid up front in my experiences, usually on the first encounter if that.
One caveat on this though is that upon my entering the gal usually feels so comfortable with me that the business part of collecting money seems to become less of a worry.
I don't walk in looking like I just collected my welfare check (which is why I always go on a Thursday)

Kind of like the marathon man who pumps away for 45 minutes, another urban myth, I guess. If you see a reputable non-micro sp you will pay first, because, unfortunately, there are far too many guys out there who try to take advantage of the sps, and try to get something for nothing. This is the sort of business where after it is done, there is no longer any incentive for the guy to come up with the correct $ amount, buyer's remorse, guilt or whatever kicks in, and if they short change the sp when paying up front in an envelope, what are they going to do with someone stupid enough to get paid afterwards.

It's got f-all to do with service and everything to do with contempt for sps and women in general. And because they think that sps don't matter, or that they are entitled or that she has nowhere to go that is what they will do. Those of you who don't simply have to live with the distrust that evolves because of those of you who do.
Wow - all those negative vibes man!

I'm one of the most critical people here or anywhere on SP's but those who have seen me will tell you that I do not shy away from paying at the end of a session.

On more than one occasion I have gone beyond the arranged time due to having too much fun & offered to go to the bank & comeback with more cash to ensure the gal was properly compensated for her time.
On every occasion the quality SP has said it was not necessary that we would take care of it "next time" but I have insisted on making it up either that day or add a gift to it on the next session.

It comes down to a matter of honour & respect.

:cool:
 
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kalel

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And I especially love all the 300/hr comments from the guys who never go to see the reputable sps who do charge more, so really have no clue as to what they do or don't do. You think someone who charges 300 an hour and sees 2 guys in one day is going to be tired or out of sorts lol.

I keep hearing all the guys saying they pay afterwards, but there isn't one sp who says she collects afterwards lol. Kind of like the marathon man who pumps away for 45 minutes, another urban myth, I guess. If you see a reputable non-micro sp you will pay first, because, unfortunately, there are far too many guys out there who try to take advantage of the sps, and try to get something for nothing. This is the sort of business where after it is done, there is no longer any incentive for the guy to come up with the correct $ amount, buyer's remorse, guilt or whatever kicks in, and if they short change the sp when paying up front in an envelope, what are they going to do with someone stupid enough to get paid afterwards.

It's got f-all to do with service and everything to do with contempt for sps and women in general.
you might wanna get off your high horse.

i pay at the end most of the times (not all). part of this has to do with the fact that either the mamasan or papasan has seen me before, or i carry myself well when i'm there.

i've spent $300 bucks for fabulous service and 300 bucks for lousy service. but i've also gotten better service from $160, many many many times and from many different places.

the marathon man exists. i've been that guy depending on my mood and what's happening that day, and i've also been the 5 minute guy when i absolutely needed a fix and the girl was hot.

your response sounds like contempt for men, because there are alot of posts here that attack the level of service, not the women in general. for me, i absolutely hate getting ripped off when i have no recourse. it's not like a traditional purchase where you get 14 or 30 days to return the product. or where you get an invoice in the mail and you have 30 days to pay.
 

FortunateOne

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i pay at the end most of the times (not all). part of this has to do with the fact that either the mamasan or papasan has seen me before, or i carry myself well when i'm there.

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Does this sound to you like you are visiting an indy sp who is alone with you and expects or requests payment in advance specifically for that reason? News flash, a recent micro review had the girl collect in advance. I have repeatedly stated that any sp who does have backup (mamasan, etc) can go with payment afterwards, but sps who haven't or haven't seen you are looking for payment first.

If all you do is continue to go to micros, which many many here do, that is what will happen most of the time. If all you ever do is go to see independent sps it will not. I am not sure why y'all want to claim something untrue, but I suppose this is a fantasy in more ways than one. UNfortunately, each and every sp has had even regular clients try to short change them, so until or unless that can guarantee not happen (like the papasan and 2 or 3 other sps in the apt blocking your exit) then payment in advance.

And, well, Krustee, not every client is someone sooo awesome the sp gives you your money back, and tells you next time they will pay you, but there you go. Enjoy it while it lasts lol.
 

kalel

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my "pay at the end" comment was independent of my "pay $300" comment. my apologies for not articulating it that way. and it was also that i've paid at the end when it was my first time there too.

the bottom line is that there is no consistency that the high priced sp's are better or provide better service than the lower priced ones.
 

Krustee

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And, well, Krustee, not every client is someone sooo awesome the sp gives you your money back, and tells you next time they will pay you, but there you go. Enjoy it while it lasts lol.
Re-read what I wrote FO cuz I never insinuated that I was an "awesome" dude.
As a matter of fact, I have my good days & my bad days depending on how I'm feeling due to a past injury.
Regardless, I treat the gal with respect & try to be as entertaining as she is comfortable with. (Some girls do not have the education to understand my dialogue & humour)

No SP has ever offered to pay me but I have been offered discounted rates for what I assume to be her preference to see me as opposed to some other guys.
It could be, as I am sure you have already thought, that they felt pitty for such an ugly wretch like me, but why would they subject themselves to that kind of torture on a regular basis & for less money? (guess some of the high end girls are masochistic?)
:confused:

But hey - don't let me cast any positive light on your negative comments.

Noticed you didn't quote me.
:rolleyes:
 

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Like a few posters suggest, then it is time to think about exactly who it is you are seeing. How can this have happened "quite a number of times" unless you are choosing to see sps who see many many clients in a day (asian micros, for example).

And I especially love all the 300/hr comments from the guys who never go to see the reputable sps who do charge more, so really have no clue as to what they do or don't do. You think someone who charges 300 an hour and sees 2 guys in one day is going to be tired or out of sorts lol.
Based on what I could recall, it is actually 3 times.

Details (in chronological order):
- $140, full 45 minutes, SP had a cold, reduced service.
- $300 (45 out of 60 minutes), SP was tired, very limited half service.
- $160 (full 60 minutes), SP had a sniffle, reduced service.

The one that didn't quite meet my modest expectation was the $300 session. The SP was a very nice person, but she told she was tired after having just returned to town about 15 minutes into the session. Then about 30 minutes into it, she told me she was cold and put on a robe, since she wanted to keep a fan running to keep the air flowing. I am an easy going guy, so we just talked while she laid beside me. She was so tired and comfortable she almost fell asleep :D I would not categorize this experience as poor, but at $300/hr I was hoping she would show a bit more enthusiasm or offer to end the session if she wasn't feeling too frisky. I chalked this up as a lesson to make sure to ascertain the physical and mental well-being of an SP prior to booking, though I've been too lazy to implement it. lol.

Of course, I also had one experience with another SP - $450 (full 90 minutes). The said SP had only 5 hours of sleep the night before, but she was still giving as much as she could during the session, and that impressed me and definitely earned my respect. I actually asked her to close her eyes and relax for a few minutes here and there :D

So, based on my experience, yes, it is possible even at the $300+/hr price bracket. Does it happen often though? No. Does it happen more often when the donation is lower? Not really (statistically speaking). Thus, ultimately, the price really has little, if any, bearing on this issue. I would hazard a guess that it's the people, their communication and problem solving skills, that play a major role in this issue.
 

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Then about 30 minutes into it, she told me she was cold and put on a robe, since she wanted to keep a fan running to keep the air flowing.
Hmm.. was she staying 'upwind' of you?

If she was cold and wanted to keep air flowing and stay upwind, maybe you want to take a shower next time? :rolleyes:

If she was down-wind, then it's just weird. :confused:
 

Krustee

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He is very good with the showers he had 2 in our visit :D , and is a very clean guy...
Yes, but did he scour the nether regions?

Gotta get the tag nuts off the crapper crevis ya know!

:rolleyes:
 

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Hmm.. was she staying 'upwind' of you?

If she was cold and wanted to keep air flowing and stay upwind, maybe you want to take a shower next time? :rolleyes:

If she was down-wind, then it's just weird. :confused:
The fan was already running before we entered the room. I was closer to the fan, so I guess that counts as up-wind? Both of us smelled nice, so it was not an issue of body odour. It was simply that she wanted to feel the air flowing, but at the same time the moving air was making her cold, and so she put on a robe rather than turned off the fan which was my suggestion. I hope this explains the situation better than my previous post.

Yes, but did he scour the nether regions?

Gotta get the tag nuts off the crapper crevis ya know!

:rolleyes:
Cleanliness has never been a problem for me. Mom taught me well :D

Heck ya! I know all about that brother ;)
lol. Next time plz wait for me to shower or take a bubble bath :p
 

Krustee

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Heck ya! I know all about that brother ;)
That's why I always use Sandy toilet paper!

REAL men wipe it real rough!


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Cleanliness has never been a problem for me. Mom taught me well :D
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