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What's your attitude toward pooning where it's cheaper?

  • 1. I’ve never pooned in developing countries and feel repulsed by the idea

    Votes: 13 14.3%
  • I’ve never pooned in developing countries but might consider it if the price is right

    Votes: 7 7.7%
  • 3. I've long been curious about pooning in developing countries but didn't try yet

    Votes: 35 38.5%
  • 4. I’ve pooned occasionally in developing countries

    Votes: 26 28.6%
  • 5. I regularly visit developing countries to poon

    Votes: 10 11.0%

  • Total voters
    91

jesuschrist

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Do you think minimum wage employees of McDonalds restaurant are being exploited?
In the context of the questions you posted leading up to this one, shows clearly how little you know about the rest of the world and how life is for those who live in foreign places. This is why when you post on this subject matter, it is yet more evidence of how characteriscally you speak from being "all knowing" but actually know nothing from personal experience and observation. All your so-called knowledge you draw from your desk and your understanding of the world, which seems strictly provincial (and not in the political sense of the word).

The reason you think it is sufficient to only ask if someone is exploited in this or that situation, to get your point across, is because your point of reference is limited to your life here. You assume that life elsewhere, despite some obvious differences in living standards, is just like here. You assume that people think the same way and make choices like people would make choices here. In fact, your world view is so limited, you cannot conceive what it means to have a different life.

So your question is the wrong question because your understanding only brings you to questions that never step outside of your own limited frame of reference. You have no idea what exploitation is. You might know what "equality" is, but your understanding of that is limited to the context of this environment. And if you knew what equality truly was, then you would know what it means to be exploited.

So to be kind to you, I'll entertain your silly question because I am sure you feel an indignant right to it. No, I don't think the McDonald's employee is exploited - and the reason is because he got there in Canada (I presume) because he made choices in an environment where everyone pretty much has the same equal access to choices. He chose a path that led him to be a slave for McDonald's and will live an austere lifestyle as a result. He does not deserve anything more than what was the result of his choices - and he should have known better if he wanted a better life.
 

jesuschrist

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But I understand how painful it must be that most SPs and many civilians in parts of Asia are crazy about Western men of all ages, when the sexual market value of Asian guys in the West (or anywhere else, for that matter) is generally not very high.

Of course, many Asian men compensate for this by pursuing material success.

As a counsellor, my heart-felt advice to Asian men would be: by all means try to amass a fortune, but do not neglect improving your personality as well. Learn to be a communicative, emotionally expressive person who is fun to be with, shows sensitivity for women's feelings and learns better sexual skills (including oral skills) to satisfy women than Asian men traditionally had.

Seeing Western SPs—especially older ones with empathy and patience—can be the perfect training ground.

I don't know how you can with good conscience even think that you somehow have any respect for the Asian women you pay to have sex with. Yes, you might be able to speak their language. Yes, you might be foolishly sentimental at listening to old Chinese pop songs. But you certainly have no regard for Asian people and their culture. You are someone who clearly has disdain for the women and the men. Where it suits you, the women, you exploit. Where it suits you, the men, you disrespect. I hope you do not think yourself as someone who is a Sinophile and hope to gain acceptance by Chinese people, because it will soon be apparent except to those who are in desperate need of money or hopelessly stupid, that you are an enemy to them.
 

Elmore

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The question is: why is he pushing this agenda like a used car salesman?

Is he selling something to the people he can make interested? I am sure he gets many private enquiries. It wouldn't surprise me if he would offer/sell services to sex tourists and collect commission from the pimps.
Have you been getting enough sleep?
 

wii49

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So to be kind to you, I'll entertain your silly question because I am sure you feel an indignant right to it. No, I don't think the McDonald's employee is exploited - and the reason is because he got there in Canada (I presume) because he made choices in an environment where everyone pretty much has the same equal access to choices. He chose a path that led him to be a slave for McDonald's and will live an austere lifestyle as a result. He does not deserve anything more than what was the result of his choices - and he should have known better if he wanted a better life.
Wow and you claim lenny has little knowledge about how the world works LOL jesuschrist LOL
 

lenny

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No, I don't think the McDonald's employee is exploited - and the reason is because he got there in Canada (I presume) because he made choices in an environment where everyone pretty much has the same equal access to choices. He chose a path that led him to be a slave for McDonald's and will live an austere lifestyle as a result. He does not deserve anything more than what was the result of his choices - and he should have known better if he wanted a better life.
Do you think a McDonald's employee in Thailand is "exploited"?

Do you think prostitutes in Thailand could choose other work if they wanted to?

If there were no foreign sex hobbyists in Thailand, what would they do?

How would you define "exploitation" in this context? Maybe this will help with your answer:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation#Forms_of_human_exploitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_prostitution
 

jesuschrist

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Do you think a McDonald's employee in Thailand is "exploited"?

Do you think prostitutes in Thailand could choose other work if they wanted to?

If there were no foreign sex hobbyists in Thailand today, what would they do?

How would you define "exploitation" in this context? Maybe this will help with your answer:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploitation#Forms_of_human_exploitation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_prostitution
Question 1:
Not relevant.

Question 2:
Yes, they can choose menial work in a developing country where wages are commensurate with the poverty level of such a country.

Question 3:
Without a source of foreign income from the sex industry, they would choose work in my answer to question 2.

Question 4:
Being exploited and exploiting are two different things. They leave themselves open for exploitation, that is their choice. Guys like you and Tant are for exploiting people. I have no problem with their choice, but I have a problem with yours. Exploitation in this context is very simple: a developing country's people live in conditions that do not have parity with ours. That is why their money is valued so much lower than ours. That is why an ass fuck is 20 times cheaper there than it is here. That is why they would more likely risk their health than a prostitute here, on average. Yes, you do give them a better life because you spend your big Canadian dollars over there, and yes, they would benefit from it. They would benefit from being exploited. That doesn't take away the fact that you are exploiting them nevertheless. And when Tant talks about "respect", its a total joke because you can't even begin to respect anyone you knowingly are exploiting - even if you are saving them from poverty. Taking his and your principle to its ultimate ends, you would of course have no problem in the organ trade as well. Why not be a organ trade dealer? Hell, there's money to be made, they'd be fabulously rich (by Thai standards of course) selling a kidney and you'd profit handsomely from it. President Somoza became fabulously wealthy and retired in Florida because he sold blood from his citizens of Nicaragua. The citizens got a better standard of living, American hospitals got cheap blood, and he profited well from it. The citizens weren't forced to give blood, so it was their choice. So according to you, that wouldn't be exploitation because its the same principle you work under. What's the difference between what you advocate and what an organ dealer does?
 

wilde

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............yup, he does seem that way :nod:.......................and yes, please do translate.
For the non-Cantonese speakers out there, here is what Ma Lun Fan means. Ma Fan means trouble. Lun is a swear word that can mean cock or dick, it is thrown in-between Ma Fan for extra emphasis. Kind of like instead of just calling someone delusional, you call him fucking delusional for extra emphasis.
 

jesuschrist

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For the non-Cantonese speakers out there, here is what Ma Lun Fan means. Ma Fan means trouble. Lun is a swear word that can mean cock or dick, it is thrown in-between Ma Fan for extra emphasis. Kind of like instead of just calling someone delusional, you call him fucking delusional for extra emphasis.
Ma Fan in the context they would use it literally would mean "waste of time / pain in the ass", usually spoken with frustration. When aimed at a person (as opposed to thing), the idea behind it is an impatience for getting that person out of there as soon as possible.
 

storm rider

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For the non-Cantonese speakers out there, here is what Ma Lun Fan means. Ma Fan means trouble. Lun is a swear word that can mean cock or dick, it is thrown in-between Ma Fan for extra emphasis. Kind of like instead of just calling someone delusional, you call him fucking delusional for extra emphasis.
So WTF does that mean?....did you call him a "trouble dick"?...cripes that is not an insult.
Personally I prefer the good ol fashioned "you are a douchebag"!...it is straight forward
and to the point.

"trouble dick".....fuck that is just so stupid...it is as stupid as a screen door on a submarine.

SR
 

Flanders

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since you are passing direct judgement on him, I'm curious if you buy products that are made cheaply in third world countries?
Of course I do, but there's a big difference in going to Walmart to buy socks made in a sweatshop in China than going to Thailand and paying a girl $100 for an overnight ass fucking. If you can't understand that, then I'll add you to the pile with him.
I have an open mind, can you explain the difference to me please?
Hey JC,

I've been reading this thread with great interest for a number of the topics that are evolving, and I didn't find your response to chhaapp's question. You guys started down a very relevant pathway here. I trust you simply overlooked his request for an explanation? I have an open mind as well..
 

lenny

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Question 1:
Not relevant.

Question 2:
Yes, they can choose menial work in a developing country where wages are commensurate with the poverty level of such a country.

Question 3:
Without a source of foreign income from the sex industry, they would choose work in my answer to question 2.

Question 4:
Being exploited and exploiting are two different things. They leave themselves open for exploitation, that is their choice. Guys like you and Tant are for exploiting people. I have no problem with their choice, but I have a problem with yours. Exploitation in this context is very simple: a developing country's people live in conditions that do not have parity with ours. That is why their money is valued so much lower than ours. That is why an ass fuck is 20 times cheaper there than it is here. That is why they would more likely risk their health than a prostitute here, on average. Yes, you do give them a better life because you spend your big Canadian dollars over there, and yes, they would benefit from it. They would benefit from being exploited. That doesn't take away the fact that you are exploiting them nevertheless. And when Tant talks about "respect", its a total joke because you can't even begin to respect anyone you knowingly are exploiting - even if you are saving them from poverty. Taking his and your principle to its ultimate ends, you would of course have no problem in the organ trade as well. Why not be a organ trade dealer? Hell, there's money to be made, they'd be fabulously rich (by Thai standards of course) selling a kidney and you'd profit handsomely from it. President Somoza became fabulously wealthy and retired in Florida because he sold blood from his citizens of Nicaragua. The citizens got a better standard of living, American hospitals got cheap blood, and he profited well from it. The citizens weren't forced to give blood, so it was their choice. So according to you, that wouldn't be exploitation because its the same principle you work under. What's the difference between what you advocate and what an organ dealer does?
IYO, is it exploitation for a Westerner in Thailand to use the services of a taxi, tuk tuk, or motor bike driver for transportation? Did you?

Is it exploitation when a rich or poor Thai man pays for prostitutes in Thailand?

Is it exploitation if the Westerner pays the Thai SP the same as a Canadian SP?

Is it exploitation if the Thai SP the Westerner beds is well educated or could work as a doctor, nurse, secretary, travel agent, etc, instead if she chose?

What SP's, if any, in Canada do you think are exploited?
 

mik

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Let's throw politics, abortion and religion in with this thread just to make it interesting :p
 

wii49

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To help you overcome your delusions, I have some news for you. Remember that Asian SP Rachel, in Richmond from about a year ago? I went to see her based on your usual 9,9 & 9 review and found out for the 1st time about your extremely generous ratings. Well, I saw her for a second time by mistake (it was probably a bait and switch). During our downtime, I described you to her and she remembered such a customer. She essentially said that she was going along with your many requests to keep you happy and her final comment was that you were a little "ma lun fan" (that's in Cantonese BTW). Do you want me to translate that for you?
You know you have issues or at the very least need to get a life when you are snooping for info about other perb members.

I hope you just made that up in order to insult Tant. Although I don't know which would make you more pathetic.
 

jesuschrist

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IYO, is it exploitation for a Westerner in Thailand to use the services of a taxi, tuk tuk, or motor bike driver for transportation? Did you?

Is it exploitation when a rich or poor Thai man pays for prostitutes in Thailand?

Is it exploitation if the Westerner pays the Thai SP the same as a Canadian SP?

Is it exploitation if the Thai SP the Westerner beds is well educated or could work as a doctor, nurse, secretary, travel agent, etc, instead if she chose?

What SP's, if any, in Canada do you think are exploited?
Answers to....

Question 1:
Which one does not belong: Taxi Driver, Waiter, Tailor, Shoe salesman, Prostitute.
In your question, you imply they are all the same, so don't bother answering.

Question 2:
No, he has the same economic power as her. Economic power as opposed to wealth, get it?

Question 3:
No. He compensates her lack of economic power to his by doing so, taking away his advantage and the asymmetrical relationship that is wildly in his favour.

Question 4:
Neither travel agents nor secretary nor nurse would afford her a 1st world lifestyle, but as a doctor in a developing country like Thailand - a profession regarded with great reverence because of the level of education and wealth required to even get it, then no, if she had the option to be a medical doctor but chose instead prostitution, any man who has sex with her is not being exploitative because she had an alternate choice that would put her on par with the choices he has had coming from a developed country.

Question 5:
Survival sex trade drug addicted SP's are exploited for their victimization to drugs. However, I am not a bleeding heart liberal - so if you are born into or started young enough in this country with all the wealth it has to offer, and even if you had a shitty family life but you, unfortunately, chose weakness instead of strength, chose drugs instead of your own will power, and you ended up in the sex trade because of drugs - and were exploited, I would say you are less of a victim than those who are in developing countries where no matter what you do, there are no choices you can make to get yourself out of poverty except to sell your body. No sex worker who arrives here from a foreign country is exploited because she is paid within the range of prices in our currency, so her work is pretty much commensurate and compensated with 1st world levels. That she then takes our dollars and multiplies her wealth by exchanging it into her home currency is just being smart. Take that same sex worker and put her back home, and she makes 1/10th what she would make here - still not exploited until someone from a 1st world country takes advantage of that.

Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia have thriving and very large sex trade industry. Those countries are definitely in the developing world. China (excluding Hong Kong and Shanghai) is technically part of the developing world, but in terms of overall access to health care and education, while not like ours, it's citizens have very similar choices in life that produce similar results to ours. If I had to make a decision, I would not put China in the same camp (unless you're talking about the far western reaches of China).
 

wii49

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UM, when you consider he went to see the girl based on HIS review, he may have mentioned this to the girl...it's entirely possible.
Well I think anything beyond, "some guy on perb recommended you", is pushing it and a little creepy. But that's just my opinion. Obviously Wilde thinks it's ok to go further than that.

Also the fact that he felt the need to post an alleged insult from this SP really shows how much class he has.
 

yazoo

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Ahem...

Can't we all just get a bong?

In a probably futile attempt to get this train wreck of a thread back on topic, I'll try and share some information, (and some juicy pics)

There are hundreds of gogo's and beer bars in Pattaya, and because of liquor licensing laws they have to shut down around midnight. Some shut down at 11.

That leaves thousands of very hot cuties who don't yet have dates the option of going to their rooms alone and sleeping (NOT) or ganging up with their equally hot friends and hitting the nightclubs. Squadrons of them descend on clubs like Insomnia and Mixx and dance the night away.

Even if you have no plans on taking one home with you, they're happy to party and dance with whoever. The key is to be fun, and buy drinks. There are discount cards, if you don't have one, ask a girl to lend you hers. There are lots of tourist couples that go and party it up with everyone else.

Insomnia has a photog who wanders around snapping pics for the website. So far the girl I was with has avoided him, despite going almost every night. I keep checking the new pics from time to time to see if I remember anyone.

Anyway, enjoy. It's quite a place!

http://www.clubinsomniagroup.com/photos/pattaya-party/2012-pattaya-september-kratae/

There's an Insomnia in Bangkok as well...

http://www.clubinsomniagroup.com/photos/bangkok-party/2012-09-insomnia-bangkok-baetey/
 

mik

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Answers to....


Question 5:
Survival sex trade drug addicted SP's are exploited for their victimization to drugs. However, I am not a bleeding heart liberal - so if you are born into or started young enough in this country with all the wealth it has to offer, and even if you had a shitty family life but you, unfortunately, chose weakness instead of strength, chose drugs instead of your own will power, and you ended up in the sex trade because of drugs - and were exploited, I would say you are less of a victim than those who are in developing countries where no matter what you do, there are no choices you can make to get yourself out of poverty except to sell your body. No sex worker who arrives here from a foreign country is exploited because she is paid within the range of prices in our currency, so her work is pretty much commensurate and compensated with 1st world levels. That she then takes our dollars and multiplies her wealth by exchanging it into her home currency is just being smart. Take that same sex worker and put her back home, and she makes 1/10th what she would make here - still not exploited until someone from a 1st world country takes advantage of that.
WOW open your eyes! Read this below (U.S. or Canada, it makes no difference).


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/22056...c-undercover-sex-slaves-america/#.UGudm02HLh4
 

myselftheother

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Ya know...I find it very interesting the issues this thread has brought up...everything from exploitation of people of 3rd world countries that either are in the sex trade or build cel phones, make Nike's...to some of the fellas of Asian ancestry insulting remarks...to some of the ladies in red's indignant stands on women in other countries using their bodies to sell sex to men from other lands...which made me consider how silly that position is, due to the fact that most of the ladies here are in the same industry as their counterparts, though the circumstances are definitely different, that the are doing the same work for the same reason...money. What they use the money for is also worlds apart in some cases, where and to whom the money goes...etc, though again similarities where there are agencies, pimps, addictions, family...or just a shitload of shopping....

What's my point? There are a lot of people on here in this thread that live in glass houses throwing stones around...thanks for the entertainment. But really folks, if you're that concerned about people being exploited in the third world for the gain of those of us who are living here in the West...why the fuck are you buying things made in Bangledesh, or China, India, Pakistan...etc. Ipods, computers, sexy shoes...why are you supporting those who use children, women and men in sweatshops, workcamps who labour hard so you can have the latest gadget, shoes, or whatever...and are truly exploited and harshly treated just as bad or worse because of the nearly slave labour conditions, brutality? What makes you superior to men who fly over to Thailand or wherever in Asia and spend the same kind of money that you're blowing on the latest Ipad? Sure, it's second hand exploiting, several degrees of separation....but ain't it the same?

And the Asian fellas here....why don't you like us big Canadian men liking Asian women? They're women! Just like other women, they're interesting, sexy, intelligent, vivacious...same as black women, white, brown, short and tall...so why don't you Asian boys like that some Asian women like us Canadian men? Just wondering...

But anyway, interesting thread...
 

wii49

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I found councillor and counsellor were spelt with one L and 2 L's. I think I bent to the will of auto correct.
Yeah auto correct favours the American spelling.
For example auto correct just recommended I take the "u" out of favour.

Wow we are so off topic now haha
 
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