Interested in being a "travelling hobbyist"? Let me encourage you!

[lenny]

lenny, when you quote from an actual Thai escort, about what happens behind the scenes, instead of quoting patrons of the gogo bars, and what they think they know, that would be more useful.

As it so happens, Pillowgirl, i had a regular in Bangkok who was an online advertized escort. I saw her pic and ad online at an escort agency. She got 5000 baht for a "short time" (ST) date and kept 4000 baht of that, plus tips, so got at least 80%. As a streetwalker she would typicly get only 1000 baht for such a ST session and keep 100% of that, including the tips.

So where did you get your figure of 50% or less. Was it made up out of your imagination, or from a website full of feminist propaganda? LOL!

"Joan Jett - I wanna be your dog"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toDgW_LHXZU&feature=fvwp&NR=1

 

[mik]

Swirly face has just returned from his pooning adventures: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/swirly-face-pedophile-remanded-in-custody-1.978331

 

[storm rider]

Swirly face has just returned from his pooning adventures: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/swirly-face-pedophile-remanded-in-custody-1.978331

BIG difference between a convicted pedophile who raped young male kids compared to the OP
who sees GALS that are of LEGAL age in the SAME country.

Just sayin.

SR

 

[Flanders]

Cripes I have read enough crapulence on this thread to last me a lifetime...The OP posted it and for the most part his poll has gotten positive votes and on the other end of the spectrum we have guys that some how
choose to take some kind of fucked up stance of "moral fibre"....yet a vast percentage of these guys who
take up this stance of "moral fibre" are married and they cheat on their wives by seeing SP's for reasons
ranging from "she wont give me a BJ" to " I only get it once a month"....it is totally fucking amazing and
also totally fucked up to hear statements about lacking "moral fibre" from guys that have violated their
god-damned wedding vows but who also lack the balls to acutally have an affair with a women(and in most cases they could not manage to do that).And in the middle are the western SP's such as Pillowtalk & company
who not only bad mouth and attack not only the local micro's that are up and running in cities such as
Vancouver/Calgary/Toronto/Montreal as they cannot deal with the competition due to age/looks as well
as incredible service they they feel above providing but they even have to lob cheap shots and spread negative
propaganda about sex workers in Thailand and other countries because they have an attitude of entitlement to
the money in Western mens wallets.

Straight up if YOU have NEVER pooned in Thailand and have no direct experience you dont have an opinion
and you opinion is worth less if you consider yourself "internet smart"

As for the SP's like Pillowtalk and her ilk....try stepping up your game and upping your service levels so
as to bring the Micro's and nice options like Thailand up to par......oh but I forgot...that type of service
is beneath you:doh:

SR

Holy fuck SR! You taking SoN's creative writing class? Hahaha
This is an epic read btw.... I can't put it down! http://www.pattayapages.com/girls/images/private-dancer.pdf

 

[lenny]

You are hilarious.

Do you understand that the laughing and giggling Thai bar girls are laughing and making jokes about those guys you think are being treated like kings?

But do you understand that

1. tantalizme doesn't go to Thailand, but to Hong Kong?

2. joking is more of a way of life in Thailand?

3. no harm is probably meant by it?

4. TGs do this only sometimes, that it is in Thai so the customer probably won't understand, & that they often say in English to his face that he is a "handsome man"?

5. almost all of these ladies, even if they may joke behind his back, would be a GF or wife of such a "farang" in a heartbeat?



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVTsBaqiNIg&feature=related

 

[newatit]

actually my experience if gals in any country are looking at you sideways, and giggling and laughing, you don'e have wonder what they are doing, they are talking about you and having a good laugh. It might be over anything, the way you look, your age, your weght, what you said, the way you looked at them ad nauseam. But so what, you got the money you get the date, that is the way it is. You might laugh at her inthe morning.

And Mel dear, will share my experiences with you anytime we have a private get together.

 

[wilde]

She just walks past, her face indifferent to me. Not even a hint of a smile.

Perhaps you didn't get to charm her up close and personal with your half baked Mandarin and pooner bag that might be mistaken for something else. I am sure she'll change her tune once you ask her to shave...

On your scale, what would you have rated her looks, a 15 out of 10 judging by your past ratings, eh?

 

[lenny]

If I was drowning, I would hang on to any old and ugly boat as long as it saves my life. But I would never buy such a boat if I could afford a better one.

Sure, who wouldn't. But the Thai girls spoken of are not drowning, starving, or otherwise dieing.

Moreover if the right "old and ugly" boat came along, many ladies in your age bracket, or much younger, would jump at the chance to "hang on" to it, drowning or not.

And if you were 20 years old, instead of 50+, and born in Thailand, and Buddhist, where taking care of your family (mother/father, brothers/sisters, husband/babies, cousins, grandparents, etc) instead of yourself is all important, then you would probably think quite differently about life, and might qualify as one who an "old and ugly" farang there would prefer as a GF or wife.

Or even in the Western world, by a random birth and upbringing, you could have ended up as a sugarbabe or some such thing, of some old guy, however handsome, fat, charming, generous, or loving, or not, he may be, like those who go to Thailand.


"ACDC - Money Talks"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmyzFsYEdco&NR=1&feature=endscreen

"One day, this kid came home from school with a homework assignment. His
assignment: To tell the class the next day the difference between theory
and reality. He asked his father for help. "Dad, what's the difference
between theory and reality?" "That's easy, son." the father replied. He
gestured to his son to go ask his sister a question. "Go upstairs and ask
your sister if she would sleep with any guy for a million bucks." The kid
went upstairs and asked his sister, "Hey, Sis! Would you sleep with any guy
for a million dollars?" His sister gave a disgusted look and yelled,
"Pervert!" Then casually continued, "Of course I would, fool. Are you
stupid? It's a million bucks!" The kid quickly ran downstairs to tell his
dad. "Dad, dad, she said yes, yes she would sleep with any guy for a
million bucks." Then the dad said, "Now go ask your mother the same
question." The kid ran back upstairs and asked his mom, "Mom, would you
sleep with any guy for a million bucks?" The mom answered, "Of course!
That's alot of money!" The kid then ran back downstairs again to tell his
dad. "Dad dad, she said yes, yes she'll sleep with any guy for a million
bucks!" Then his dad mildly answered, "You see, son, that's the difference
between theory and reality. In theory, we're living on a gold mine. In
reality, we're living with two whores!"

 

[lenny]

You mean calling a young asian girl a "sex piggy extraordinaire" doesn't show genuine respect? No. Wai.

It seems to me, in the context of the review & the great time they both appear to have had together, it's comparable to this video:

"AC/DC - Whole Lotta Rosie (Live at Donington) HD"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZZch5uDNks

"Acdc Whole Lotta Rosie Lyrics"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DokfH8m4-w0

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Today I was walking West along Broadway near Cambie when, suddenly, I spot this ravishing, willowy Asian beauty walking toward me.

As we get close, she glances at me. Our eyes momentarily lock. I bestow my most charming, most seductive smile upon her.

I certainly don't intend to accost her. But wouldn't it be nice if she smiled back—a bit of a tonic to send me on my way?

She just walks past, her face indifferent to me. Not even a hint of a smile.

Ah well, I'm thinking, she's full of herself. I don't exist for her.

Understandable enough...her sexual market value, in a place like Vancouver, is just astronomical.

But soon I'll be in places where a guy like me is still valued by beauties like her—even if it takes a modest financial incentive.

hidden in your post is the crucial key phrase that explains the anecdote you related

it seems the very first thing women learn when they arrive on the vancouver scene is to completely and absolutely ignore members of the opposite sex

of course, in a group, they will lower their eyes demurely, or return the gaze brazenly if they assess the randomly met male as the right kind of material for them; that is, if he's within three seconds of the 'right' age, has skin tone within 3% of the 'correct' colour for them, has looks that would place him in the top 3% of the population, and is wearing NOTHING that costs less than $3,000... oh, and of course driving something that cost his daddy well over $300,000. yes then of course they will return the gaze, but if you don't fall into that incredibly narrow range of 'desireable' (read marriageable) material, then they will look right through you as though you were nothing more than AIR

you do indeed have to travel outside of greater vancouver to experience women that look at you with openly assessing eyes, returning your gaze, and showing YOU that THEY are proud and distinctively WOMEN, and would be a match for you in ANY circumstance

even at my advanced age, i have had young women in latin america check me out from the opposite side of the street, calling out a comment designed to catch my attention if i happened not to notice them

this is open, public flirtation, an art completely lost by women in gvrd

good luck in your travels - enjoy the difference... :thumb:

 

[lenny]

If the sps you see aren't involved with choosing who they see, and they are paying someone else a portion of their earnings, that is exploitive. There is no other way to look at it, willing or not, happy or not, legal age or not.

So if an escort in Bangkok, or anywhere else, is expected to see any customer sent to her, and service him (providing he doesn't have issues such as leprosy or the like), and she pays the escort company a portion of "her earnings" (i.e. his bill), you consider her to be a victim of exploitation?

If so, that sounds ridiculous to me.

I just don't understand why some people have a problem with that concept. It is possible to be exploited in all kinds of jobs, including whatever it is that you do.

So you're saying if a dental hygenist is expected to see any patient sent to her (is not involved with choosing who she sees) and doesn't get to keep all of the bill for services rendered, it's exploitation?

Do you think minimum wage employees of McDonalds restaurant are being exploited?

Does the government exploit us by forcing us to pay such a high percentage of earnings in taxes?

 

[yazoo]

hidden in your post is the crucial key phrase that explains the anecdote you related

it seems the very first thing women learn when they arrive on the vancouver scene is to completely and absolutely ignore members of the opposite sex

of course, in a group, they will lower their eyes demurely, or return the gaze brazenly if they assess the randomly met male as the right kind of material for them; that is, if he's within three seconds of the 'right' age, has skin tone within 3% of the 'correct' colour for them, has looks that would place him in the top 3% of the population, and is wearing NOTHING that costs less than $3,000... oh, and of course driving something that cost his daddy well over $300,000. yes then of course they will return the gaze, but if you don't fall into that incredibly narrow range of 'desireable' (read marriageable) material, then they will look right through you as though you were nothing more than AIR

you do indeed have to travel outside of greater vancouver to experience women that look at you with openly assessing eyes, returning your gaze, and showing YOU that THEY are proud and distinctively WOMEN, and would be a match for you in ANY circumstance

even at my advanced age, i have had young women in latin america check me out from the opposite side of the street, calling out a comment designed to catch my attention if i happened not to notice them

this is open, public flirtation, an art completely lost by women in gvrd

good luck in your travels - enjoy the difference... :thumb:

THAT!!!

+1 x 10

The art of ignoring people who don't meet your narrow acceptance range is apparently a mandatory course at Western high schools. It is closely related to The Sneer, deployed when ignoring doesn't work. Boys on the other hand take boorishness and ineptitude 101.

I haven't picked up a civvie overseas, but can tell from random flirty conversations with beautiful locals that the course is not run at their schools. It is so refreshing.

Except in areas with large numbers of foreign tourists. It appears we teach them well.

 

[uncleg]

Have to wonder............how long before we see some of these folks doing a perp walk through YVR ?:wave:

 

[badbadboy]

Aside from all the bitterness in this thread with the anticipated "taking unfair advantage" of Asian or any other third world nation; there is a lot of funny shit here ound:

BTW I used that Adidas track suit comment last friday night while dining on the Drive and I was called a type caster. Low and behold a couple of guys walked by in their track suits moments later. Big Grin.

And for all you haters of the travelling pooner - throw out your iPhones! Apple takes unfair advantage of their workers too.

Old news but still relevant:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10291701-37.html#!

 

[badbadboy]

Did you read about the nets set up to catch suicide jumpers?
But apparently apple does yearly inspections.

Yes, I was throwing it out there as an example. People are all amped up about Tant and crew doing a tour to Asia. My point is North America and Europe send all their dollars and Euros to Asia in return for cheap products. Plenty of foreign workers being taken advantage of by their employers to satiate the needs of all of us.

In this case its luring Perbites to go on tour for low cost Asian Pussy.

In one hand if you are going to buy your low cost appliances, electronics, toothpaste, and every other product from Asia its totally two faced to point the finger at Tant et al who are looking for low cost SP's in Asia. I have already stated I would poon in Cuba if the situation presented itself. Not to save money on pooning but more to have a full travel experience to a country I want to visit.

 

[tantalizeme]

So has this thread served its purpose?

I wouldn't say he looks like Brad Pitt, more like the young James Bond played by Sean Connery.

He's very fit and attractive and I can imagine he would turn a few heads here in Van and in the crowds overseas.

Wow, thank you, Sarah. We're a 2-person mutual admiration society!

But has this fairly epic thread accomplished its main goal?

POSSIBLY—if it motivated at least one pooning brother to join the ranks of travelling hobbyists.

NO—if it were meant to get female PERB addicts to cheer us Asia-bound pooners on in our quest.

But I only wanted to help fellow pooners see sex travel as the legitimate expression of healthy male sexuality it is. It's not only a great way to help fill the gap between the sex a normal man wants and the sex he usually gets—it's clearly beneficial for cash-strapped overseas SPs as well.

My goal was never to convert local SPs to the moral merits of sex travel, though it's always nice to open people's minds. Just remember, responsible travelling hobbyists put real food on real tables, unlike all that inane bluster about "exploitation."

Lenny, let me single you out for special thanks. Your informed posts raised the level of discussion in this thread. We don't necessarily share the same taste in music, but I've looked up all the links you generously provided and gleaned some valuable pointers. Thailand is definitely on my priority list.

Some Asian brothers—honda, wilde, JC—are surprisingly vociferous in their dislike of Western pooners going to Asia. I'm not nearly as judgmental of Asian guys' well-known penchant for Western ladies, especially big-boobed blondes.

But I understand how painful it must be that most SPs and many civilians in parts of Asia are crazy about Western men of all ages, when the sexual market value of Asian guys in the West (or anywhere else, for that matter) is generally not very high.

Of course, many Asian men compensate for this by pursuing material success.

As a counsellor, my heart-felt advice to Asian men would be: by all means try to amass a fortune, but do not neglect improving your personality as well. Learn to be a communicative, emotionally expressive person who is fun to be with, shows sensitivity for women's feelings and learns better sexual skills (including oral skills) to satisfy women than Asian men traditionally had.

Seeing Western SPs—especially older ones with empathy and patience—can be the perfect training ground.

 

[Elmore]

But I understand how painful it must be that most SPs and many civilians in parts of Asia are crazy about Western men of all ages, when the sexual market value of Asian guys in the West (or anywhere else, for that matter) is generally not very high.

Of course, many Asian men compensate for this by pursuing material success.

As a counsellor, my heart-felt advice to Asian men would be: by all means try to amass a fortune, but do not neglect improving your personality as well. Learn to be a communicative, emotionally expressive person who is fun to be with, shows sensitivity for women's feelings and learns better sexual skills (including oral skills) to satisfy women than Asian men traditionally had.

Seeing Western SPs—especially older ones with empathy and patience—can be the perfect training ground.

I'm not sure the Asian men cheering on the zingers you hurled at Pillowtalk will be quite as receptive to this.

 

[tantalizeme]

Let me leave my faithful readers with a little gift...

...by introducing them to an author who writes more intelligently about cross-cultural differences in sexual market value than anyone else I know.

In fact, this is by far my most important discovery during my current research on overseas erotic hotspots: to have come across the articles by Sam Zanahar (alias Serge Kreuz alias Luc Loranhe).

Along with Thommo's diaries on www.whorist.com, Sam Zanahar's constructive political, existential and sexual ideas resonate deeply with me. I've rarely seen hard-hitting truths about life so boldly expressed.

To give you a taste of the flavor of his work, here's a pertinent sample. Websites on which his work appears include
www.sexualsense.org
www.sextourism.org
www.howwealth.org
www.sexualfront.org
www.SexualEnhancement.org

Appraise your value By Sam Zanahar (2005)

While most people are not aware of the zoological component in it, humans, just like apes, live in a hierarchical society in which every individual occupies a position relative to other individuals. This is especially the case if we evaluate each person's attractiveness as sexual partner.

As sexual interests are the primary motivators in people's lives, it is only natural that each of us constantly tries to improve one's position.

There are many factors that determine a person's sexual market value:
•Physical attractiveness and age
•Wealth or economic stability (which is why rich men typically have the more beautiful women)
•Achievers are considered of higher rank than non-achievers
•Intelligent men fare better than ordinary ones

In the case of a young woman, beauty is such a dominant factor (in the eyes of men) that it doesn't matter if she's stupid and a bore. Because everything is so easy for young beautiful women, there is a clear tendency for them to be spoiled brats. On the other hand, especially these beautiful spoiled brats experience the strongest decline of their sexual market value at an age somewhere between 30 and 40. Many people, including less attractive women, feel that this serves them right, anyway.

The above mechanisms are clear to most everybody, though not everybody would articulate them in the same, rather radical, manner.

I do not want to go into further detail on the sexual market value of each of us in a Western society but rather want to draw attention to cross-cultural aspects.

It is obvious that the positions of men and women are not balanced in the same manner in each and every culture. I believe that the position of women is strongest in Western European and North American societies. In these Western societies, the rules for the courting game are determined by women to a much higher degree than typically is the case in more traditional societies, or Third World societies, the Arab world, East Asia, religious India, you name it.

Because there is no real poverty in Western European and North American societies, material considerations also play much less a role there than in any Third World country. This judgment may come as a surprise for many young men in Western Europe and North America, as they constantly experience that those with the better cars get the better girls.

However, the degree to which a man's sexual market value is determined by his economic means is much greater in countries where a large number of families struggle to make ends meet.

In such poor countries, Western Europe and North America are so strongly identified as rich that the sexual market value of Western men is almost entirely determined by their origin. And their sexual market value is top, indeed. In many Third World societies, it is chic for the most beautiful local women to have a Western boyfriend or husband, and even those Western men who can't compete in their own societies will usually have no problem to rank highly in Third World societies.

I believe that for men capable of analyzing the ranking game with a global perspective, this should have far-reaching implications.

Is it sensible to participate in the courting game in Western Europe or North America if the rules in Third World societies are much more in favor of men, especially men from Western Europe and North America? Is it worthwhile to spend one's resources in the rich countries of Western Europe and North America when the same economic means catapult a man into the top 1 percent of all contenders in a Third World country?

For a practical man, the answer must be no.

 

[wilde]

Wow you truly are delusional til the bitter end. You sure talk a good game counsellor (I wouldn't let you counsel my dog BTW). If you are so communicative and emotionally expressive then how come all you do is see cheap and old Asian hookers. And these sexual market value that you keep harping on about is basically what's in your wallet, without it the ladies will just pass you by like that ravishing, willowy Asian beauty who barely bat an eyelid at you.

To help you overcome your delusions, I have some news for you. Remember that Asian SP Rachel, in Richmond from about a year ago? I went to see her based on your usual 9,9 & 9 review and found out for the 1st time about your extremely generous ratings. Well, I saw her for a second time by mistake (it was probably a bait and switch). During our downtime, I described you to her and she remembered such a customer. She essentially said that she was going along with your many requests to keep you happy and her final comment was that you were a little "ma lun fan" (that's in Cantonese BTW). Do you want me to translate that for you?

 

[uncleg]

Wow you truly are delusional til the bitter end. her final comment was that you were a little "ma lun fan" (that's in Cantonese BTW). Do you want me to translate that for you?

............yup, he does seem that way :nod:.......................and yes, please do translate.