Getting a Control on the Costs of Pooning in Vancouver

[rickoshadows]

I would pick the more expensive one, with the belief that "the stud" would be cleaner, better looking, in less of a rush to get to the next chick, and more inclined to be a bfe.

Spoken like a neophyte!

The truth is that " the more expensive one" is usually the best marketed and the quality or lack of quality of the experience rarely correlates with the price. There are outstanding SPs at both ends of the affordability scale as well as "minimum service rip-offs". Ask anyone who has been participating for while. This condition is not limited to SPs, just read an issue of Consumer Reports. With SPs there is less of a correlation between quality and pricing than with, say washing machines, because Consumer Reports doesn't do regular comparisons on them, ergo the raison d'etre for this board and similar ones.

I have no problem paying a little more for what I know will be an outstanding experience. My financial limitations automatically eliminate the $1000/hr girls, although, on a special occasion, I could raise that much for an allnighter with a known quantity. Spending $300 or more for someone I haven't taken for test drive yet is just not going to happen.

As for the overall price trends, the price of SPs has outpaced the incomes of their customers in recent years. And there is a decline of Americans and Europeans with money coming into town. The following corrections are going to occur. There will be less SPs required to service the upscale market, some will move away, others will move down market. Competition will increase in the middle of the market resulting in a wide variety of price/service in the short term and will settle out with a stable price/standard service eventually with again some SPs leaving the biz or moving down market again. For those pooners looking forward to the days of $100/hr all inclusive, forget it, it's not going to happen, or if it does, not with anyone I would be interested in seeing.

In the end the price will be a compromise between what the SP can charge and what the pooner can/will pay. I would be happy with a little more consistency in the quality of the product.

rickoshadows
Dolphin18A

 

[Poseidon]

Review Boards Hike up Prices

I agree with you rickshadows. Eventually, the pricing will stabilize and a midpoint will be reached and compromised where both the pooner and SP will come to conformity in pricing .

But doesn’t Perb boards and other boards for this matter as well as word of mouth, butter up sps service such that it increases the demand after a good review on the sp, and ultimately results in increasing her prices for her services?

Maybe Perberts should stop posting good reviews on SPs since it will create high demand and an increase in prices for her services. Have you noticed that after a good review on an SP, she is rarely available? Why don’t we create a secret society on this board? We will call it the pooners exclusive club where we PM each others reviews on the SPs such that it doesn’t create so much demand and price increase for them publicly. Of course there will be qualifications to be a member.

 

[Poseidon]

Vancouverman

Originally posted by Vancouverman:

Poseidon .... ahhhhhh now it is ALMOST.
Now it is JUST one or two more.

One can quit smoking ( I did after 20+ years ). drinking, coffee, etc.
One can TRY to quit pooning ..... I did for a while .... and failed.

All the best Poseidon, but I still not see WHY???
Smoking, drinking, coffee ... I can see one quitting for health reason.
If you like to drive fast .... you always will .... at least from time to time.

I can see one possibility that would make me to quit. A WOMAN that would be like all great SPs that I had seen and all that I will. A compilation of them all.

Did you find one, Poseidon? Maybe she has a sister?

My retirement thread explains why I`m retiring:

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4453&perpage=15&pagenumber=1


And no I havn`t met that "special women that would complement all sps that i have seen" But I`m dating and searching.

 

[HowieMeeker]

Enlightening!

Poseidon:

Such a place does exist big fella and it does help. In the end, informed consumers typically pay less for a product as a percentage of disposable income. Salient examples are numerous.

I remain impressed at those that argue like their very existence relies upon higher rates. With the ladies there is some clear protectionism going on (someone wants to see that your rates stay in a given range, you would feel threatened too - one of the reasons Howie has NEVER liked ladies on an escort review board). However, with the gents I find the arguments lame and clearly, in my mind, smokescreening for something else. Enlightening is the word of the day.

 

[rickoshadows]

Re: Review Boards Hike up Prices

But doesn’t Perb boards and other boards for this matter as well as word of mouth, butter up sps service such that it increases the demand after a good review on the sp, and ultimately results in increasing her prices for her services?

Kinda Like Mazda Miatas when they first came out. You could order one from the factory only to find when you went to the dealer to pick it up, it had been sold out from under you for higher price. What's a Miata worth today? The challenge is finding that upscale bound superstar before she moves up.

Another issue pushing up prices is the expanding market. I think there are more and more people considering an appointment with an SP. It doesn't quite have the social stigma it did just a few years ago (although that still has a long way to go). In the end, it will the ones who provide the best value irrespective of their price range who will be successful.

rickoshadows
Dolphin24

 

[HowieMeeker]

Yup, good forum

Agreed - good debate and with people seemingly thinking before typing.

Perb is a good forum for sharing ideas and seeing those that you agree and disagree with. If we could just get rid of the trolls! (actually, the trolls add to the ambience - easy to spot and fun to read the "reviews" of such).

Perb does rock!

 

[sirlickheralot]

Consumer groups included. Who in the hell is involved with these groups anyway?

LOL - Suprise, you do, what do you think Escort review boards are? They are a forum for pooning consumers to become better informed and hopefully get better value for their money. Consumer groups can have many agendas besides changing prices, such as improving products and services, eliminating unethical business practices, etc.

 

[bigdman]

Gina Lee,
You are right, but besides the board, there are many ladies who charge more than Victoria-Lee (300/hour)...

As for the real point, I guess we'll have to ask Howie... hehehe

 

[HowieMeeker]

Clarity

Howie - he hate Trolls. Personal reason. REALLY personal. Also hates to see value of such a board diminished by such.

Sonny Burnett - tried your advice. Now I am walking funny - thanks a lot.

Gina, have a great day. Victoria, tried to respond to your pm but yours was very full - too full for Howie at least!

 

[PiL]

LOL - Suprise, you do, what do you think Escort review boards are? They are a forum for pooning consumers to become better informed and hopefully get better value for their money. Consumer groups can have many agendas besides changing prices, such as improving products and services, eliminating unethical business practices, etc.

People seem to be confusing two things as being the same: the above points out the true reason for review boards like PERB and that is to get better *value* for the dollar. This means that when confronted with mulitple providers of the same price range, you will be able to select the best one for your specific needs.

At the same time, this in *NO* way has anything to do with lowering the prices of any SPs. Only a means to weed out the good from the bad. If people want to see cheap women who run escort assembly lines, by all means frequent those ladies. But don't demand lower price and quality from women with enough self-respect for themselves and their clients so as to limit work through pricing. Seeing a lady after her fifth or tenth client is never that much fun....unless you're just there to bang the shit out of the poor girl and care nothing for the human being within.

PiL

 

[bigdman]

well said, PiL...

 

[sirlickheralot]

But don't demand lower price and quality from women with enough self-respect for themselves and their clients so as to limit work through pricing.

Why souldn't people have the right to express their opinion on this board if they think prices have gotten too high.

In the editorial section of yesterdays Vancouver Sun their were about 1/2 dozen letters from people complaining about the recent hike in gas prices. I guess these people should shut their mouths and keep their opinions to themselves as well. After all what right do they have to question the rates set by companies in a free market economy.

 

[bigdman]

sir, you got a good point there..., I guess this hobby can't be compared with the gas price. The difference is:

If the Price of pooning has gone way up, hobbyists can quit and find other types (whatsoever it is),...but for people driving daily, they can't just all of a sudden quit driving and taking public transit...
You can also compare this with the 3 grades of gas from Shell. Therefore, there will always be different prices with different things....

IMHO...

 

[sirlickheralot]

People that drive do have other options as well. They could get more efficient cars, hybrids, convert to propane, diesel, or as you said take public transit. Therefore if people think pooners shouldn't have the right to complain about SP prices why should drivers have the right to complain about gas prices.

 

[bigdman]

People that drive do have other options as well. They could get more efficient cars, hybrids, convert to propane, diesel, or as you said take public transit. Therefore if people think pooners shouldn't have the right to complain about SP prices why should drivers have the right to complain about gas prices.

getting more efficient cars means either getting a wife or a girlfriend, then what if the prices for propane, diesel or even the public transit all go up, that means either the wife or the girlfriend is very high maintainance. What would that person do, divorce her or ditch her...??or even complain about them...?
Complaining won't do much different, why not just go for the lesser price SP's?

I see you have a good point though...

 

[Kev]

You can complain all you like sir.........in print or some other media forum....

but try standing in front of a Chevron or Esso gas station taunting or ridiculing customers for spending to much money on gas, when the can buy cheaper gas elsewere. (Speculative of course) Lets see how long it takes LE to drag you away.

Your right there should be no reason why members can't boycott Providers who don't messure up.

Would you not agee that we are already doing this?

Thats what this board is for. We have a place for reviews that tell readers who to see, and who to avoid. (weed out the undesirables) VL has mentioned that she lowered her rate to reflect Vancouvers prices. ( priceing that reflects Vancouvers market) I already see a control of SP rates guys. What else can anyone do? --- <<< ANYONE >>> Do tell what members can do to control rates. I'm all ears. --- Kev

 

[HowieMeeker]

Interesting responses all around. Me Things Trolls Score should be >3 though

IF all of the consumers of gas started to NOT buy gas, the government would panic and the price would need to come down or that tax base gone. Not a good pooning analogy me thinks.

Kev good buddy, this is not about establishing rate sheets or the like. It is about value and as a consumer group exerting the much greater power as a group than many here feel we have. It is not all about prices - it is largely about:

1. Service that fits the price.

2. Removal of Trolls

The price rise in Vancouver the past few years does not match the supply/demand or the economy. It is false and needs a market correction. The guys who read this board can either make that correction occur or not. Based upon all the guys that support the higher prices, guess there are more with interests in the biz than even I expected.

Enough on this for now I guess. Those of you who want to do the free enterprise etc. speech, go for it. Makes interesting debate. What doesn't make sense though is some of the apparent anger that some posts indicate, thinly disguised or not. How on earth could any non-Troll Perbert NOT want to see lower prices? How could this be? Think about it over your beer this fine evening.

To the ladies. NOT an attack on you. I respect nearly all of you who have earned the right to charge as you please. You will understand as a consumer group we can assess your market challenge in a number of ways. If anything, having a more informed market will only assist those of you giving top notch service as it will weed out those that no one wants around.

TTFN

 

[Kev]

Howie:
My guess Howie good buddy you are a politician. You really know how to go around and around.

Ok so we have a greater power than we think we have.

Lets quite two stepping for a minute and leave the poor trolls alone, and tell us what we need do to take steps in using our power.

Fill us in on Who, What, When, Were, an How on you proposal.

If you decline then whats the point in bringing this subject up repeatedly. Don't just bring us to the water, teach us how to drink. Members would like to know.

MGD with a twist of lemon...yum. Your Friend --- Kev

 

[Groo39]

I abstain on the poll.

There are some (like myself) who look for more than a service list/price point shopping spree. Standardized pricing and service lists is a demeaning insult to both SP and client, who should have the freedom to enjoy their own unique YMMV session without threat of harassment by board members over pricing.

If you think an SP is charging too much for the service she provides, post a review and say so, but a) be reasonable and b) give reasons. Were you led to expect a particular service ahead of time? Were either of you having a bad day? Was the session doomed before starting by traffic tie-ups and delays?

If it's just that you're trying to stretch your dollar as far as possible, keep the opinion to yourself. The board should not be used to intimidate or manipulate SPs or clients under any circumstances. Quite frankly, I'm shocked that Fred hasn't locked the whole thing.

Some members seem to have the misunderstanding that paying more means a wider variety of services. Not necessarily so -- some ladies successfully charge higher rates because they provide an emotional friendship/attachment/GFE where other SPs provide a mechanical (though occasionally PSE skilled) service.

Some clients prefer to pay for service quality/menu (the PSE), some for the connection/comfort level (GFE), and some just want a straight forward service SP who'll show up, take care of your requests, and leave nothing but a sated grin behind. When you complain about an SPs service, consider whether it's a real service problem, or if she just might be trying to provide a different experience than you're looking for.

The whole issue of using board membership to intimidate SPs and demand extra services or discounts is such a morally repugnant idea to most TERB members that several members have been blacklisted by both board and the agencies for their behavior. I encourage any SP who is "threatened" with a bad review if she does not provide a discount or exceptional service to post the handle of the offending board member, describe the threats made (calmly, please!), and let the community as a whole know about the abuse.

Reviews are opinions, nothing more. Those who post bogus bad reviews in "revenge" have a good chance of being caught and "shamed" by the board members for the fraudulent review. After that, the poster of the bogus review may as well delete/cancel their account -- it's virtually impossible to regain any respect on the boards if you're a proven fraud, shill, or competitor.

 

[Kev]

When suggestions are being made to PERB members that would improve or control SP rates, then Kev is all ears. Howie puts shit out there repeatedly, but he NEVER has to really address what exactly he expects members to do.

I am tired of a stick being poked at me.

Soooo without further interuptions....Howie..........WHAT DO YOU THINK WE CAN DO TO CURB THE RISE OF SP RATES?

Do not even go there with the dance routine. You started it so finish it. --- Kev