Theoretically. Has there ever been a case of Le pushing the envelope?
Not hard, not expensive at all. Very easy.
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All that will prove is that you walked through a door, which is NOT a criminal offence.
To get a conviction, the prosecutor will have to prove both of the following:
a) That you asked for or engaged in a sexual act; and
b) That you paid or offered to pay for such
They can't just assume that you did either of those things, they have to provide evidence that you actually did, or they won't get a conviction.
Unless they carry out a sting they will not be able to provide sufficient evidence in trial to get a conviction. That is the context in which the law will be enforced. That is expensive and in most jurisdictions the police won't bother, other than occasionally going after the streetwalker trade clients when they get too many complaints from locals. In pretty much every other situation unless you confess when confronted, nothing is going to happen.
Really? Phone call is better. You don't think there is a chance they can tap the phone conversation.
What about the hotel room. How can it be considered as a bawdy house? Really .. they can do that.
They only have 20 million to invest in their brainchild, I really doubt they will be tapping phones. As long as the phone conversation doesn't include specifics and using vulgar language which the ladies don't like anyhow, a phone call is just that, a phone call. With literally millions of not billions of calls and texts happening all the time, pretty hard to pinpoint anything. The best way will be to do your homework on a SPs website, most questions that you may have will be answered there. If the lady doesn't have a website, she'll learn pretty quick IMHO that she may need one
There's no "bawdy house" law since last year. Bill C-36 did not make brothels illegal.
I usualy never ask any SP what services they provide. For the first visit it can be a surprise, I like it that way. But going forward will stick to regulars only and I know what I will get. So, what I am hearing is that phone call with no details and a reputable hotel, they can't really prove anything. That's good news. They have to let me go since they have nothing on me. Probably easier for LE to target someone has more evidence.
Personally, if I were a member of LE, and had this law shoved down my throat, I would start in Ottawa, you know, right around the Parliament buildings and surrounding areas
Right now I do Massage with a couple of endings and fs. How do I let guys know the different rates or will I just have to stick to basically one service? If I stick say with my better service will guys think it is massage I am offering for too much money if it is under massage? I am confused as to what to do.
When the law comes into effect, i will quit this hobby. Now i'm no lawyar but it is obvious that this law is trying to scare the johns so as to reduce demand so ladies will be forced to exit the industry. The ladies are being protected in the sense that the male is a criminal no matter if he is a good customer or bad. So the john bears the burden now. It really is dependant on whether you trust your sp/micro etc. or not. Their really is no loophole anymore. The harper government has been pissing me off and it really is time to get him and his cronies out come election time. I will bide my time and wait until this new law is revoked.
Btw for the lawyars out there if the sp records your conversation would it be a crime? It's a crime to record conversations without the other persons knowledge but since it is an illegal activity would it then be legal? What am i talking about wiretapping has been done forever!
Btw for the lawyars out there if the sp records your conversation would it be a crime? It's a crime to record conversations without the other persons knowledge but since it is an illegal activity would it then be legal? What am i talking about wiretapping has been done forever!
Any opinions on which is safer - hotel/motel or an apartment for an incall?
I've been using hotels for the past few years. I rotate threw several that I think are discreet, avoiding using the same one too often. I take precautions, like bringing my own extra towels, and not using hotel garbage for my used condoms, stocking packages, etc. I hide all evidence of my occupation between appointments, and focus on multi-hour appointments, so that the day is low volume of men, and still profitable.
I'm considering getting an apartment, mostly for convenience. Any opinions on which in call is safer for our clients?
I've been using hotels for the past few years. I rotate threw several that I think are discreet, avoiding using the same one too often. I take precautions, like bringing my own extra towels, and not using hotel garbage for my used condoms, stocking packages, etc. I hide all evidence of my occupation between appointments, and focus on multi-hour appointments, so that the day is low volume of men, and still profitable.
I'm considering getting an apartment, mostly for convenience. Any opinions on which in call is safer for our clients?
This is not entirely accurate. "Invalidity" of the provisions that were struck down by the Supreme Court was "suspended for one year" in the decision. So, technically the "bawdy house" provision was and still is in the Criminal Code. However, C-36 has removed (or will, as of December 6th, remove) the reference to "prostitution" from that provision, leaving the reference to "acts of indecency". Unfortunately, I don't think there is any definition of what constitutes an "act of indecency" -- which means that would need to be determined through tests in court cases. (My suspicion is that this could be used against dommes for BDSM services but that is purely speculation on my part
)Edit: See the following explanation from this parliamentary site (they do, in fact, give a definition of "indecent act" -- I still feel that it's rather vague though and would probably involve test cases)
http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliam...rl=41&Ses=2&source=library_prb&Language=E#a27
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Thank you travellor.
The question on rates. My rates reflect my value and the cost of running my business. I don't plan on changing them because of the new laws. Like many however, I'm wondering how busy I'll be in December.
Kisses,
Porscha
The question on rates. My rates reflect my value and the cost of running my business. I don't plan on changing them because of the new laws. Like many however, I'm wondering how busy I'll be in December.
Kisses,
Porscha
I am hearing the recommendation is to use phone call, because it the safer option. But it is really an inconvenience. Most of the time I find people don't answer or they r in a session. Email is much easier to setup a meeting. Not txt message, I will stay away from that. You guys still think email is bad, it can't be considered as a public place communication. It has to be private. Right?
What about some of the providers are sending email now using mailing list. And they are including all the details. Is it safe? This is not an ad anymore. It is a private email. Right?
What about some of the providers are sending email now using mailing list. And they are including all the details. Is it safe? This is not an ad anymore. It is a private email. Right?
Isn't that what the dummy phone is for? Texting and calling so it cannot be traced back to you? Don't do anything with your real mobile account... When you quit, take out the sim card and rip/burn it to shreds.
i'm pretty sure 'indecent acts' were defined by british common law a LONG time ago. just sayin'Unfortunately, I don't think there is any definition of what constitutes an "act of indecency" -- which means that would need to be determined through tests in court cases. (My suspicion is that this could be used against dommes for BDSM services but that is purely speculation on my part
Edit: See the following explanation from this parliamentary site (they do, in fact, give a definition of "indecent act" -- I still feel that it's rather vague though and would probably involve test cases)
I've been doing some reading on the subject but I'm not going to post any links or quotes referencing what I've found lest I incur the wrath of those who would accuse me of "fear mongering"i'm pretty sure 'indecent acts' were defined by british common law a LONG time ago. just sayin'
But if you have any sources that can provide me with more reading material on the subject in regards to historical British common law, feel free to PM them to me.
Honestly, I'm not one to be worried about communication because I never have discussed any details in those communications. I've merely booked time and set it up. Let them read whatever they like in those texts or emails because there is no illegal act in there whatsoever. I think this is the thing that gets lost in all of this. Don't talk about menus and rates and there is nothing that can happen, period. We will figure out things, I believe. Carefully worded ads, reviews, websites will tell a client what he needs to know and we just need to be patient and smart.
As for hotels, I'm not really concerned there either, as long as discretion is used. In the big cities, apartments or condos work but in the smaller towns, it's not really safer or more discreet, imo. Open court motels still aren't very great, never were. But the larger hotels are completely safe, imo. Just act smart and don't draw unwanted attention like nervously watching the staff or looking at the text message several times. Get the room number and directions while in your vehicle, park in a discreet location (near the restaurant,if there is one is always good), put the cellphone away and walk in with confidence and go straight to the elevator or whatever like you belong and the staff doesn't even notice you. One thing I will say though is I never book really late at night (past 10:30). That could change staff perception. SP's may want to limit hours when in a hotel, I don't know.
As for hotels, I'm not really concerned there either, as long as discretion is used. In the big cities, apartments or condos work but in the smaller towns, it's not really safer or more discreet, imo. Open court motels still aren't very great, never were. But the larger hotels are completely safe, imo. Just act smart and don't draw unwanted attention like nervously watching the staff or looking at the text message several times. Get the room number and directions while in your vehicle, park in a discreet location (near the restaurant,if there is one is always good), put the cellphone away and walk in with confidence and go straight to the elevator or whatever like you belong and the staff doesn't even notice you. One thing I will say though is I never book really late at night (past 10:30). That could change staff perception. SP's may want to limit hours when in a hotel, I don't know.
I keep little texts records, except texts with friends, of which I have a lot of friends! Both male and female, my social life is not the concern of anyone. I get very few hits directly from perb and back pages through email and messaging… So, I may have to delete my contacts, if you would like me to delete your info, let me know.
well, I have no idea the lengths they will go so I just deleted all my old messages clients histories etc… There is nothing incriminating on my computer, those who are friends from over the years, I know their id's… Anyways, yes, looks like this whole this is spreading some panic. I will do the utmost to protect my confidentiality of my friends.
