C36 Merged thread, everything goes here

[Silver Surfer]

Go to "Hide.me" and watch the video.

 

[morementum]

But what's to stop hide.me from selling your information?

 

[morementum]

Actually, Chuck Norris would be terrible to guard that kind of information. He's a little nuts. He'd vote for Harper if he were Canadian.

Do you use hide.me, morementum?

You have it wrong, Harper would vote for him.


I do not use hide.me presently though I have in the past. I found it limiting on bandwidth irrespective of the advertisement indicating otherwise. I also had compatibility issue with it for European banking I was doing. It was a good product and likely remains so. This technology has come a long way from the days of anonymizer and the like that is for sure.

 

[Porscha]

My understanding is that most ip addresses are automatically assigned by the technology, Its not hard coded into your home computer (not sure what your network admin at work does).

A while back I wanted to change my ip address - so I called my cable company. They told me to shut off my modem for 24 hours, and that their server would have "purged" my ip address by then. The server would automatically assign me a new one. He showed me how to check it from a DOS prompt, and yep, it worked.

kisses, Porscha

 

[westwoody]

TOR plus encryption.

To the OP re tracking IP numbers: sites do it to match your viewing to advertising. If you go to a lot of hockey sites and hockey bulletin boards you will probably get popup ads from vendors selling hockey stuff. It is strictly a moneymaking thing and supports the cost of running a lot of websites.

 

[marsvolta]

bill c36 -merged thread let's dump the paranoia and discussion in one place.

what i'm going to propose is that all pooners do two things after engaging the services of a prostitute.

1) call their federal MLA and confess.
2) call local law enforcement and confess.

think about it... it would very quickly become news that everyday across Canada, thousands of men are confessing to crimes and nothing is being done about it.

pretty sure the government has no management for that kind of result.

don't want to be identified? have your lawyer call and attempt to negotiate a reduced sentence if you turn yourself in!

additionally, all escorts should call it in as well. keep descriptions vague except for a detailed account of the penis.

it may sound crazy but the law would become useless instantaneously.

now that i think of it, is it a crime to falsely confess such a thing? everybody on every board in the country could start confessing now... mulitple times a week. pleading that it was a false confession if they were ever brought into a police station. now thats fighting back!

 

[sbill]

what i'm going to propose is that all pooners do two things after engaging the services of a prostitute.

1) call their federal MLA and confess.
2) call local law enforcement and confess.

...

don't want to be identified? have your lawyer call and attempt to negotiate a reduced sentence if you turn yourself in!

...

Eh, thinking anonymous and untraceable is good here.

Lawyer thing maybe, if one had bucks to burn.

Since mail to MPs is free (isn't it still?) I'm thinking mass mails to Peter Mckay or Joy Smith mentioning sexual urges no longer being quenched - must substitute writing detailed sex fantasies to local MP (NO return addresses!) - * actually better idea * - mail to local MP requesting they pass on on to P.Mc. or J.S. !

 

[marsvolta]

Eh, thinking anonymous and untraceable is good here.

Lawyer thing maybe, if one had bucks to burn.

Since mail to MPs is free (isn't it still?) I'm thinking mass mails to Peter Mckay or Joy Smith mentioning sexual urges no longer being quenched - must substitute writing detailed sex fantasies to local MP (NO return addresses!) - * actually better idea * - mail to local MP requesting they pass on on to P.Mc. or J.S. !

i think you've hit upon a great idea here! mailings in triplicate to pete, joy and the LE providing great detail as to the crime committed... yours truly, john. no return address. whats important is that the fact that this activity occurs thousands of times a day not get pushed underground. pete would have to field questions about what his office is doing to track thousands of these criminals down!

its a letter writing campaign... of a different kind.

 

[morementum]

So what do you use now?

Something much better (to my mind). You?

 

[Justin Beaver]

Eh, thinking anonymous and untraceable is good here.

Lawyer thing maybe, if one had bucks to burn.

Since mail to MPs is free (isn't it still?) I'm thinking mass mails to Peter Mckay or Joy Smith mentioning sexual urges no longer being quenched - must substitute writing detailed sex fantasies to local MP (NO return addresses!) - * actually better idea * - mail to local MP requesting they pass on on to P.Mc. or J.S. !

I like it...when we get those one topic opinion polls in the mail from our MPs,we can fill them in with stuff like how we now have S&M fantasies about Joy Smith because we're being denied access to sexual gratification.

 

[augie]

Guys guys! You're going on and on about ip addresses and shit... but here's something that will get you caught easier...

SECURITY CAMERAS

any half-decent hotel/motel/apartment has a bunch of em...

Once an sp location is known, spotting and identifying your face will be a breeze for the cops! There could be one pointed right at her door... or worse, they might install a hidden one!

 

[morementum]

All new threads will be merged here as well, this is getting stupid.

Getting stupid? Stupid left a few weeks back and insane last week - it is full out delusional paranoia with a hint of persecution thrown in to make it even more spicy. Until something actually happens to someone through this law this will be in the same league as global warming, Area 51, Bigfoot and waterproof iphones. All make for interesting reads and seeing people actually believe some of the stuff but at the end of the day, you cry for humanity at what people will worry about when there is actually no proof to back up their concerns.

 

[huggzy]

When most of you guys who are so scared of your own shadows actually pull your heads out of your asses AND READ THE CODE you will realize that the only risk to you is a fine (unless you're stupid enough to communicate in a public place...or heaven forbid have sex with an escort in a public place)

Seriously guys. Do a little reading. All that's happened is that the cost of pooning has gone up due to the risk of getting fined, advertising has become tougher for the ladies, and far more serious laws are in place to hit traffickers and pimps.

All in all it will hit the guys in the pocketbook as a industry and will likely result in a slight drop in prices by the ladies because of a shift in demand (towards the government in fines) as they try to recoup lost business because of the government snatching some of their client's disposable discretionary pooning budget.

As far as all the chicken little attitudes that seems to plague a lot of you...you're going to wake up 6mths from now and realize how stupid you are all being.

 

[badbadboy]

I am starting to think you have joined here just to stir the pot.

Yah think travellor?

How about this quote from Jr?

Originally Posted by augie
She hasnt worked since oct 9. So who's the asshole that grossed her out and made her stop so soon?

I had an oct 12 appt but never saw her.

If you're old and disgusting, DONT SEE VERY YOUNG GIRLS

Fuck

 

[Man Mountain]

When most of you guys who are so scared of your own shadows actually pull your heads out of your asses AND READ THE CODE you will realize that the only risk to you is a fine (unless you're stupid enough to communicate in a public place...or heaven forbid have sex with an escort in a public place)

Seriously guys. Do a little reading. All that's happened is that the cost of pooning has gone up due to the risk of getting fined, advertising has become tougher for the ladies, and far more serious laws are in place to hit traffickers and pimps.

I'm no lawyer

I think anyone reading your interpretation should remember this

but the entire bill needs to be read completely in order to get the full context:

Agreed. And I think everyone who could potentially be affected by the new law should read it for themselves, attempt to interpret it themselves and decide for themselves how they will act after December 6th.

Geez you guys. Do any of you actually read the law:

Yes, I've read it. And I disagree with your interpretation. But even if I agreed with your interpretation, for me, the minimum fines are prohibitive enough that I would choose extreme caution over proceeding the way I have in the time I've indulged.

 

[Violet]

It will not be illegal to enter a building, elevator, hotel room or apartment. It will not be illegal to write about an encounter that may or may not have really happened. It will not be illegal to exchange money for time and companionship.

What will be illegal is to exchange money (or consideration) for specific sexual encounters and gratification. So don't get caught specifically paying for sex and maybe just chillax about all the other stuff.

^THIS.

[hr]Also, I feel kinda weird that my post about the new advertising rules is at the top of this thread now, haha. I actually volunteered that it be closed or merged since I thought there were too many threads on C-36 and related topics, it's just that when the threads got merged it put the posts in order of the date they were posted and I guess mine was oldest of the group.[/hr]

 

[augie]

It will not be illegal to enter a building, elevator, hotel room or apartment. It will not be illegal to write about an encounter that may or may not have really happened. It will not be illegal to exchange money for time and companionship.

What will be illegal is to exchange money (or consideration) for specific sexual encounters and gratification. So don't get caught specifically paying for sex and maybe just chillax about all the other stuff.

If the cops match the sp's ad, phone number and location with a recording of your face and a bunch other dudes entering it,

Even if they have no explicit evidence, if a judge decides that's what you went there to do (which it is lol), that's it!

And again, even if you don't get convicted, the fact that you were investigated could go on your permanent record!

 

[huggzy]

I think anyone reading your interpretation should remember this



Agreed. And I think everyone who could potentially be affected by the new law should read it for themselves, attempt to interpret it themselves and decide for themselves how they will act after December 6th.



Yes, I've read it. And I disagree with your interpretation. But even if I agreed with your interpretation, for me, the minimum fines are prohibitive enough that I would choose extreme caution over proceeding the way I have in the time I've indulged.

The law is quite clear. Unless you are communicating or purchasing in what would be considered a "public" place, you are not to be subjected to prosecution and jail time. You may be subjected to a fine of $500 for a first time offense and $1000 for every time after.

So let's say you get busted in a sting...the worst that's going to happen is that the $250 or $300 you were just going to spend on a good time turned into $500 and a cock block.

But if you arent frequenting an amp or trolling around the streets or a playground even this isnt likely to happen anyways. They arent going after "consenting" adults.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

So let's say you get busted in a sting...the worst that's going to happen is that the $250 or $300 you were just going to spend on a good time turned into $500 and a cock block.

you forgot one tiny thing... the criminal record

 

[Man Mountain]

The law is quite clear.

I thought so too until I saw how you and I could have two such vastly different interpretations of the same legislation.

Unless you are communicating or purchasing in what would be considered a "public" place, you are not to be subjected to prosecution and jail time. You may be subjected to a fine of $500 for a first time offense and $1000 for every time after.

Again, I completely disagree with your interpretation here. First, I will repost the exact excerpt that we are discussing:

Commodification of Sexual Activity

Obtaining sexual services for consideration

286.1 (1) Everyone who, in any place, obtains for consideration, or communicates with anyone for the purpose of obtaining for consideration, the sexual services of a person is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years and a minimum punishment of,

(i) in the case where the offence is committed in a public place, or in any place open to public view, that is or is next to a park or the grounds of a school or religious institution or that is or is next to any other place where persons under the age of 18 can reasonably be expected to be present,

(A) for a first offence, a fine of $2,000, and
(B) for each subsequent offence, a fine of $4,000, or

(ii) in any other case,

(A) for a first offence, a fine of $1,000, and
(B) for each subsequent offence, a fine of $2,000; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 18 months and a minimum punishment of,

(i) in the case referred to in subparagraph (a)(i),

(A) for a first offence, a fine of $1,000, and
(B) for each subsequent offence, a fine of $2,000, or

(ii) in any other case,

(A) for a first offence, a fine of $500, and
(B) for each subsequent offence, a fine of $1,000.

You will note that within the legislation, there is a section for an "indictable offence" and a section for "an offence punishable by summary conviction". This makes this particular code what is called a "hybrid offence". For clarification on the differences between these, see the following:

http://www.justicebc.ca/en/cjis/you/accused/understanding_charges/types_of_offences.html

Types of Offences

Crown counsel decides what offences you will be charged with. This section includes information about the types of offences you could be charged with and possible penalties if you are found guilty.

The type of offence you are charged with will determine the type of court process that will apply to your case. It will also determine any maximum or minimum punishments you might receive if you are convicted.

There are three different kinds of offences.

Summary offences – These are less serious offences. The maximum penalty for a summary offence is usually a $5,000 fine and/or six months in jail. Some summary offences have higher maximum sentences. They include breaches of a probation order.

Indictable offences – These are more serious offences and include theft over $5,000, break and enter, aggravated sexual assault and murder. Maximum penalties for indictable offences vary and include life in prison. Some indictable offences have minimum penalties.

Hybrid offences - These are offences that can be dealt with as either summary or indictable. Crown counsel makes the decision about how the offence will be handled.

Summary Offence

A summary conviction offence is the least serious kind of criminal offence under Canada's Criminal Code. It is also known as a "petty crime", for example, disturbing the peace.

Here is some information that you should know if you charged with committing a summary offence.

• These offences usually carry a maximum punishment of six months in jail or a $5,000 fine.
• Alternative measures can be considered for less serious summary offences.
• Trials are held before a judge in the Provincial Court.
• Police cannot take your fingerprints.
• As an adult, you may apply to receive a record suspension three years after you complete your sentence.

Indictable Offence

Indictable offences are the most serious offences under the Criminal Code and they come with more serious punishments. Examples of this type of offence are theft over $5,000, assault or murder.

Here is some information you should know if you are charged with an indictable offence.

• Depending on the offence, you could receive a penalty as high as life in a correctional centre.
• For most indictable offences, you will have a choice (called election) to have a trial with a Provincial Court judge, a B.C. Supreme Court judge alone or B.C. Supreme Court judge with a jury.
• Some trials are held only in specific courts. For instance, trials for some indictable offences are always held in Provincial Court. For these offences, you do not have a choice. For other indictable offences, such as first-degree murder, you must have a trial with a B.C. Supreme Court judge and jury.

Hybrid Offence

With a hybrid offence, Crown counsel must choose whether to treat the matter as a summary offence or an indictable offence. This is called the Crown election. How the Crown decides or elects to treat the offence generally depends on how serious the offence is.


Here is some information you should know if you are charged with a hybrid offence.

• If Crown counsel chooses (elects) the summary process, then the trial will be in Provincial Court.
• If Crown counsel chooses (elects) the indictable process, in most cases you will have a choice whether to proceed in Provincial Court or B.C. Supreme Court.
• The Crown election will also determine the maximum penalty for the offence.
• Some types of hybrid offences (called absolute jurisdiction offences) will always proceed in Provincial Court, whether the Crown chooses to treat the offence as summary or indictable. An example is theft under $5,000.

So, if someone were charged under section 286.1, as a hybrid offence, it would be up to Crown Counsel to decide whether to try that case as a "summary process" or as an "indictable process".

So let's say you get busted in a sting...the worst that's going to happen is that the $250 or $300 you were just going to spend on a good time turned into $500 and a cock block.

Actually, the "worst case scenario" would be Crown Counsel decides to try the case as an indictable offense where:

(a) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years

The subset of scenarios that follow that are for "minimum punishments".

But if you arent frequenting an amp or trolling around the streets or a playground even this isnt likely to happen anyways. They arent going after "consenting" adults.

Any opinions about what enforcement of these laws may or may not be after December 6th is pure speculation at this point. Obviously, some members believe that there will be minimal enforcement. Others (myself included) are simply going to proceed with far more caution, if we proceed at all. I really don't see this as a right or wrong thing. It's simply about risk evaluation and comfort levels for each individual.