Brett Kavanaugh Circus

[CanineCowboy]

I skimmed the previous posts in this thread and there were the usual disgusting yet predictable misogynistic responses of victim shaming. A victim doesn't need to prove anything to be a victim, they just have to be victimized.

One thing to remember is that this is not a trial - neither Kavanaugh nor Ford are on trial - and there is no standard of proof that needs to be met or guilt to be proven. He is simply meant to be being vetted for consideration to join the Supreme Court bench. Kavanaugh's character should be beyond reproach and his own statements and behaviour, even within this hearing, have shown that not to be the case, regardless of Ford's allegation.

I would hope the Republicans could move on and select another candidate - surely within their population of 350 million people they would be able to find a more credible and less biased candidate?

And personally, I believe her!

 

[six1961xis]

Thursday July 1, 1982 entry on Kavanaugh's calendar.
This date aligns with Ford's testimony and Mark Judge's book.
Hopefully FBI will look closely at the people/events around this date.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/28/politics/brett-kavanaugh-july-1-theory/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR8SiZbzbKs

 

[westwoody]

Drinking in uni is not unusual. Lying about it is.
Drinking underage is not unusual. Lying about it is.
He previously said a SCOTUS judge should have a sombre imperturbable demeanour, yet here he is throwing a hissy fit like a spoiled brat.
I think his act was all staged and phony, him and the slimy senator faked indignation and played victims.
Several lies he made in his testimony have been pointed out by media.

The US will never fix their justice system if they keep picking the same old boys club members for judges.

 

[Cock Throppled]

If Kavanaugh is guilty of everything he's accused of, what does it say about the FBI, when six previous background checks found nothing?

 

[badbadboy]

If Kavanaugh is guilty of everything he's accused of, what does it say about the FBI, when six previous background checks found nothing?

And perhaps those reports are part of the 'privileged' White House docs withheld by the Republicans? I wouldn't put it past them for a nanosecond.

 

[clu]

In the interest of fairness, one thing I definitely disagree with is the assertion that a heavy drinker will necessarily have blackouts. I've done my share of binge drinking, and while I've done a few things that I might be embarrassed about, I remember them. There was never a time I had holes in my memory nor a time someone has said to me that I did something significant and I didn't remember it. True or not, I've been told blackouts typically occur only when one is a regular binge drinker (i.e. alcoholic).

So I don't agree with the idea that Kavanaugh can't possibly remember everything significant he did while drunk. Blackouts may require a greater addiction than he had. Maybe.

 

[sevenofnine]

did anyone see, that
there is a witness saying ford lied in her testimony,

so who is in the worst, shit,
kavanaugh being accused of something 36 years ago, when peoples memories are foggy and it boils down to he said she said,

or her lying in her statement to the FBI or congress or whatever
I think that is illegal, she said she had never coached any one in polygraph tests. her roommate or whoever swore out a statement she flat out lied,

I dunno but it seems like she is in a lot worse shit all of a sudden, and her credibility has gone down the toilet
they are both going down.
she should have just shut up,
36 year she had lots of opportunity to come out and say something,

you have to know when you make an official report or testify, if your not telling the truth it can bite you in the ass.
I think she used poor judgement
or is a pawn in a much bigger game.
she should have realized her life would be analyzed under a microscope with the circus going on.

and she lied about things, and her memory was not reliable
I feel for her I do,

but she kept silent for 30 plus years, she should have taken it to the grave.

 

[carvesg]

If Kavanaugh is guilty of everything he's accused of, what does it say about the FBI, when six previous background checks found nothing?

It says or means that the FBI interviewed the 5 or 6 references (people ) that he ( Kavanaugh) listed that they should contact to look into his past and his life . Just like a candidate to the RCMP would use for them to check their background . Not the most exhaustive background check that could or should be done specially at that level of influence in his case.

 

[clu]

did anyone see, that
there is a witness saying ford lied in her testimony,

Allegedly a disgruntled ex. Maybe it's true but it has been refuted by others. Like the accusations against Kavanaugh himself, further digging is warranted, but it's a little premature to declare her guilty of lying. Kavanaugh on the other hand, there's a lot more evidence he lied (not necessarily about the assault but definitely his narrative in general).

so who is in the worst, shit,
kavanaugh being accused of something 36 years ago, when peoples memories are foggy and it boils down to he said she said,
or her lying in her statement to the FBI or congress or whatever

That's actually one of the big argument for why Kavanaugh shouldn't get the job. He almost certainly lied/misled in the hearing.

So at worst they're both liars.

you have to know when you make an official report or testify, if your not telling the truth it can bite you in the ass.

You'd think, but it didn't stop Kavanaugh and he ought to be even more educated in the risks than her.

she should have realized her life would be analyzed under a microscope with the circus going on. ... but she kept silent for 30 plus years, she should have taken it to the grave.

Whether you think she in particular is legit or not, that is terrible, terrible advice in general for legit survivors of sexual assault. That's how legit assaulters get away with things. That's how Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein thrived.

Plus, abusive personalities are almost never a one-off. In a perfect world, if Ford's assertion is legit, vocalising it would allow people to compare notes and form a picture of the abuse in order to identify and stop it. An abuser's greatest power is in silencing their victim.

 

[sevenofnine]

I guess you would have to be a victim to really answer that question, I mean to remain silent.
and everyone is different, there is no general answer,

yeah I get it pattern of behaviour, what he is drunk he is crude and rude, not very much a gentlemen.
if anything was proven, would he actually go to jail, chances no,
he got drunk fell on a women held her mouth, she was scared shitless.
he wouldn't go to jail, probation or counselling is the worst he would get,
there was no actual rape, an attempt or something yes, but they were both wasted,
the worst I can see is counselling and probation,
and so far, the only thing is he has character flaws.
oh yea the worst some one said against him so far, is he exposed himself.
I have been at parites several and that has happened
yes he is a jerk, an a hole.
if it happened recently, I would say yes go for it lady,

I don't see what is in it for her,
so far what has she done, expose her not so perfect life, perhaps judgement to her character as well.

you know there are a lot of fucking ass holes that are judges and in positions of power,
guess what, because nice meek mild guys don't want the fucking head aches they don't have the egos

have we learned anything by all of this,
I mean the me too movement in general what have we learned,
that powerful men, have big egos and and can kind of be jerks,

and they are surrounded by, people who want a piece of it, are attracted to it,
which makes them vulnerable , an easy victim

my father was a very abusive man, ended up in jail

one thing I learned is don't fucking be a victim, don't play the role of a victim
predators need a victim
they don't pick the strongest person around,
bullies don't pick the toughest guy to mess with.

some one said lindsy lohan I think these me too women are weak,
there is something to be said for that.

and powerful men in general are bullies ass holes and have fucking big egos.
certainly in general but not everyone

most people who are victims do a lot of soul searching why me,
that is the biggest thing that you have to deal with forever, what was your role in all this,
how did you deal with it,

you eventually understand there are ass holes in this world, you get that,
but what keeps you awake at night is how did this happen to you,

 

[clu]

sevenofnine: No one, not even Ford, expects him to get jail time. The statute of limitations is up. Her goal is to question his suitability for the job. It matters to her because, among other things, if he gets the job, her alleged abuser will have effective power over her for the rest of her life.

I mean what do you think her proper course of action would be if, after 36 years of staying silent, her University (employer) said they were planning to hire her abuser to be her boss? Stay silent and live with it? Quit and thus have him upend her life again?

(BTW Lindsay Lohan is hardly the fountain of solid life choices.)

 

[Cock Throppled]

To everyone who thought he was too emotional - what if you were wrongly accused of sexual assault? And from 35 years ago?

Would you expect to be assumed guilty because of the accusation, or would you expect to be prsumed innocent unless actual evidence and corroboration was brought forward?

There's a politically-correct movement to always believe an accuser. Like there have never been false accusations?

Emotional? Hell yes, I'd be emotional too if I knew I was innocent and an obviously very disturbed woman came forth with preposterous accusations. She wanted an investigation, but refused to hand over notes to investigators from counselling sessions. Her lawyers blocked her from answering questions during her testimony. Has it never occured to her backers that there might be things she's hiding, moreso than Kavanaugh?

They've both been dragged through the public media muck by Democrats bent on stopping any appointment from Trump.

 

[DangerousDan]

To everyone who thought he was too emotional - what if you were wrongly accused of sexual assault? And from 35 years ago?

Would you expect to be assumed guilty because of the accusation, or would you expect to be prsumed innocent unless actual evidence and corroboration was brought forward?

Now that the argument has boiled down to this, you know there is no longer an argument. The reason people are now focussing on the small stuff, is because we all know there is no evidence. We live in a society based upon the presumption of innocence, not presumption of guilt. So, you have to let it go.

That said, I think it is very likely something happened to her, but evidence (or lack thereof) should trump my feelings.

 

[Robert Upndown]

He just passed the first vote!

 

[sevenofnine]

I understand statue of limitations
but my point is regardless there is not enough evidence to convict, from what I have heard anyway,
a guy at work went through charges, went to court, they threw it out, the judge, she said he said who do you believe,
there was no preponderance of evidence one way or another,


I see the same thing here, boiling down to he said she said,
I would venture they would not even charge him if they could from what I have heard, well, dunno but no way he gets anything with the evidence thus far.

I get it pattern of behaviour what he drinks, so do I, what he got drunk dropped his pants, at a party while drunk, I know guys that do that.
you need another woman to come forward and say something to establish a pattern of behaviour,
so far none has, there has been enough time but yes the bomb may drop, but until it has,

another guy I know spent 30k on a lawyer some sexual misconduct, the judge laughed and threw it out.
sitting with my wife and daughter they both called ford a liar, a prominent female newscaster has doubts,

it is not only Lindsey lohan that thinks some of these women are week,

as a father of a daughter I would have thought I had failed my daughter,
if she was in some of these me too stories,
he touched me it felt weird, or wrong and I was so traumatized, but let him do it, and never said anything when he grabbed my breast
or he forced a kiss on me but I needed a job, so I did it,

I can tell you my daughter, wouldn't be silent she has worked for fifteen plus years, and has encountered things in the work place, advances from bosses
bosses trying to touch her, and that ended pretty fucking quick.
there are girls I have worked with, have had guys fired or even charged like today now, not thirty years latter that they had to write me to.
not everyone certainly not everyone,
I don't want to categorize every women in this as week, and vulnerable

but some surely are,

you know on the surface of things, they would lock me up and throw away the keys,
as a child my father was an abuser a sexual abuser
I was a loner,
I see ladies I pay for there company,
I drink,
sometimes to much,
I have porn on my computer on my phone,

like fuck im serial predator
somebody said something about me, I wouldn't have a hope in hell.

guys have spent decades in jail, because they were a bad ass or a loser
and a crime was committed and they were in the vicinity, many true stories like that out there,
I don't like kavanaugh but is he a rapist, is he guilty of anything more then getting stupid drunk
and being an ass hole.
not enough to prove to me one way or another
so far.


anyway,
I really want to believe ford, I feel for her I do,

but the timing of this, is what is throwing me off, I think there is some political maneuvering going on,
his guilt or innocence should have nothing to do with politics I wonder if she was contacted or something

and I get it, coming out after you have remained silent for years is therapy,
I really do understand that,
in the end, only ford will know if it is worth it,

I myself would have not wanted any part of the circus that is going on.

 

[clu]

To everyone who thought he was too emotional - what if you were wrongly accused of sexual assault? And from 35 years ago?

Would you expect to be assumed guilty because of the accusation, or would you expect to be prsumed innocent unless actual evidence and corroboration was brought forward?

There's a politically-correct movement to always believe an accuser. Like there have never been false accusations?

Emotional? Hell yes, I'd be emotional too if I knew I was innocent and an obviously very disturbed woman came forth with preposterous accusations. She wanted an investigation, but refused to hand over notes to investigators from counselling sessions. Her lawyers blocked her from answering questions during her testimony. Has it never occured to her backers that there might be things she's hiding, moreso than Kavanaugh?

They've both been dragged through the public media muck by Democrats bent on stopping any appointment from Trump.

Believe I already said this, but I have given considerable thought to what I would do if I were in his shoes and innocent. Yeah I'd be upset, but I would not lose my cool or be evasive the way he did and give my critics fodder, because I damned well would know I'd be under scrutiny. One of the things that contributed to Ford's credibility was her willingness not to say with confidence anything she could not be confident in. Conversely he came across the way a child would if caught (or suspected of) breaking the rules. Petulant, insolent, evasive. He displayed characteristics that were the cliche for the very personality type he was accused of being. As I've said before, not a good look. And for this sort of job he's supposed to need to be better at setting aside personal emotions than the average person. So I stand by what I said: guilty or innocent he does not have the temperament for the job. I wish the GOP had found someone else.

Bottom line even if it was a shakedown she shouldn't have been able to push his buttons like that, not someone who's supposed to have the character needed for the Supreme Court.

 

[storm rider]

When it comes down to BRASS TACKS and FACTS.....why were these allegations not raised and brought under scrutiny DECADES ago....the guy was a judge already FFS.Now suddenly the accusations spring forth when the Republicans control the Presidency/Senate/Congress and are now looking at the Supreme Court.

In my mindset the whole METOO movement is a fucking sham.....level the most thinnest of an accusation and suddenly the accused gets tarred and feathered with the nice Left label of "Sexual Misconduct" which is a broad reaching name that paints everything with a HUGE brush with regards to anything the leftist media wants to push.

SR

 

[sevenofnine]

there is a cartoon going around the internet.

the FBI knock on your door,
we want to talk to you about a high school party you attended almost forty years ago.

for fucking sakes.

looks like he is going to make it,

 

[JoeSmith6]

Victims of rape should AWAYS be believed. And not forced to relive their ordeal by an inquisition made up by a bunch of white male facist pricks who are servants of of pig of a President.

California Joe
Social Justice Warrior

 

[Man Mountain]

Power begets power.