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clu

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Congratulations of posting one of the most illogical analogies I've ever seen.
The issue is the media and Democratic party either ignoring accusations against Clinton while melting down over unsubstantiated allegations against Kavanaugh, or as Hillary Clinton was quoted, "All those women are lying." Hypocrisy much?

As for the new allegation - from the NY Times - "The paper said it interviewed “several dozen people” in a vain attempt to find someone with “firsthand knowledge” to corroborate Ramirez’s allegations.

The Times also said Ramirez contacted former classmates to see if they remembered the alleged incident — and told some she wasn’t sure it was Kavanaugh who exposed himself."
No argument from me on Clinton. Yeah, it's a double standard. But Hillary was already held accountable by enough middle ground voters (for enough things) that she lost the powerful position she was vying for. For her part in it, justice served, you could say. Two years ago by the way. Now it's Kavanaugh's turn.

Anyway let's get some facts straight:

First, Ramirez is accuser #2, allegeding a lesser crime than accuser #1.

Second, she didn't launch this accusation publicly. How here claim came to light was a rumour was already swirling about Kavanaugh's past that he did this. She only disclosed it was her and only publicly when she felt that it was going to come out anyway and she was afraid of how she would be painted if she didn't tell her side of the story.

To the event, though nobody first hand will corroborate her story, another person confirms hearing someone at the time leave the room and yell out (in amusement) what just happened, naming both Ramirez and Kavanaugh explicitly, at the time. There were numerous others that confirmed Kavanaugh was known to get blazingly drunk on the regular and aggressive when he did.

She says she remembers the penis being in front of her, she remembered Kavanaugh pulling up his pants, she also remembers afterward hearing someone yelling in the hallway what happened. I notice her careful choice of words, so I suspect what she's saying is she saw the penis but did not look up to see who it was attached to. Freaked out, pushed him away, and then looked to see Kavanaugh pull up his pants. The confusion could be it was someone else's penis, that guy made a getaway, and Kavanaugh was coincidently pulling up his pants???

The fact that no one in the room will corroborate it is easily two things: 1. they were goading them on, so feel complicit, 2. people remember traumatic events. It was traumatic for her. It wasn't a memorable drunken moment (decades later) for them. The fact that there is second-hand corroboration nonetheless is remarkable.
 

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The reason I'm more cautious, and don't immediately believe an accuser is because I experienced a situation where a friend said something about me. It was a critical comment that cast a shadow on my character, and related to a woman we both knew.

I was angry and hurt. Rather than confronting him at the time, or soon after, I just cut off communication. I decided he was a person I didn't want to deal with. I didn't answer his calls, avoided any social situation he might attend, didn't listen to friends who might mention him, and basically blanked him.

Over the years I inflated things in my head, made him more evil, got myself more pissed off about what an asshole he was. This lasted 15 years, until I bumped into him on the street. We exchanged small talk, and suprisingly I enjoyed his company. We got into deeper discussion and I finally asked him about what he had said about me. It was so inconsequential to him he didn't even remember it, at first. This made me more pissed off, until he remembered and explained what he said.

It turns out I had completely misconstrued what he had said. It was much more innocent than I had thought and a LOT less damaging than I had made it in my mind. And I think people do that all the time. What initially seemed bad grows to be a mountainous evil in the mind.

So, I reserve judgement until facts ar presented, not factless finger-pointing.
 

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So the ubiquitous lawyer Avenatti has a client who is another victim, with a supporting cast, claiming gang rape.
If it can be determined that this really happened, then Kavanaugh should be out.
Even then there are those (I cannot understand) who say it's a long time ago and should be not so much a factor.
But Kavanaugh, by his false pronouncements of innocence, is then covering up, lying.... and this alone is enough to disqualify him.
 

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So the ubiquitous lawyer Avenatti has a client who is another victim, with a supporting cast, claiming gang rape.
If it can be determined that this really happened, then Kavanaugh should be out.
Even then there are those (I cannot understand) who say it's a long time ago and should be not so much a factor.
But Kavanaugh, by his false pronouncements of innocence, is then covering up, lying.... and this alone is enough to disqualify him.
You've pre-determined Kavanaugh's claims of innocence are false, but believe accusations that have not been substantiated. Way to assess facts.
 

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I'm on the fence in this whole debate, and I guess with the whole metoo movement as well.

While the things Kavanaugh (and others) has been accused of are inexcusable, I wholeheartedly believe in due process being allowed to happen. It seems we live in a world where first we accuse, then we assign guilt, then we punish in the court of public opinion, then we get around to investigation and due process when the accused has already suffered irrecoverable damage. Don't get me wrong, I in no way condone the things these people are being accused of, but I also don't believe in assigning guilt without first proving it.

That said, *if* it turns out Kavanaugh is found guilty (be it of the assaults, or perjuring himself to try and protect his ascent), then I don't think that's the kind of person you want serving on the supreme count. Conversely, if it's found that he has done no wrong, I hope that people are capable of getting off their soapboxes and allow the man to do his job. I think the evidence thus far is pretty damning of his character, but like I said, I'll withhold passing judgement until we at least hear his side of the story.
 

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Innocent or guilty I wouldn't want a mercurial, belligerent ass like he was being today on the Supreme Court. A position like that needs someone who can calmly deliberate and articulate under difficult and sensitive circumstances.

And, Kavanaugh, buddy, Devil's Triangle is not a drinking game.

He's shady.
 

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Today his actions and refusal to answer questions directly, are a good indicator he is not a good candidate for the office of the US Supreame Court as it reflects upon his character. Given the first incident happened in high school, he tried his I'm a pious religious guy routine, and not the out of controll drunk that he was in high school and college. He could of done the "I don't remember that incident" and he can't say he was drunk, cause that would mean he was lying about his pious religious bullshit...etc. either way he lied or said nothing. In the Supreme Court he will have to make a stand on issue and show his ethical stance on subjects. To me he is still that whiny, rich kid who thinks he can get away with everything (and he acted like that today) and not pay for his actions.... Man he sure didn't listen in bible study did he?

Could you imagine if his parents came forth and said they had to cover up a pregnancy with an abortion??
 
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If he was innocent, he would have been happy to have the FBI investigate the accusations and clear his name. At the very least, he would have agreed to have the nomination process delayed while full investigations are undertaken.
But, he followed the classic response pattern of someone guilty of a sexual offense. And he did not want an investigation by the FBI.
And his response showed why he does not have the right temperament, nor the credibility to be a Supreme Court judge.

Dr. Ford is as credible as you can get. There are very good reasons why sexual assault victims do not come forward, and even in this case initially she didn't want to.
This was not a Democrat setup, although it certainly benefitted the Democratic cause. There are many serious questions regarding Kavanagh's nomination, and his appointment to the Supreme Court would result in a decline in the credibility and stature of that institution.

There is still a slim chance he may be appointed. The Republican Party has demonstrated it has no morals in pursuing its ideological goals. And they often don't make particularly astute decisions. But if it does confirm Kavanagh, it is highly likely they will lose the Senate in the midterm elections (they may do so anyway). And then the impeachment of Trump is all but certain. Ironically, at this point, confirmation of Kavanagh to the Supreme Court is dangerous for Trump, rather than strengthening his position. The Republicans need him to withdraw for their survival.
 

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If he was innocent, he would have been happy to have the FBI investigate the accusations and clear his name. At the very least, he would have agreed to have the nomination process delayed while full investigations are undertaken.
But, he followed the classic response pattern of someone guilty of a sexual offense. And he did not want an investigation by the FBI.
And his response showed why he does not have the right temperament, nor the credibility to be a Supreme Court judge.

Dr. Ford is as credible as you can get. There are very good reasons why sexual assault victims do not come forward, and even in this case initially she didn't want to.
This was not a Democrat setup, although it certainly benefitted the Democratic cause. There are many serious questions regarding Kavanagh's nomination, and his appointment to the Supreme Court would result in a decline in the credibility and stature of that institution.

There is still a slim chance he may be appointed. The Republican Party has demonstrated it has no morals in pursuing its ideological goals. And they often don't make particularly astute decisions. But if it does confirm Kavanagh, it is highly likely they will lose the Senate in the midterm elections (they may do so anyway). And then the impeachment of Trump is all but certain. Ironically, at this point, confirmation of Kavanagh to the Supreme Court is dangerous for Trump, rather than strengthening his position. The Republicans need him to withdraw for their survival.
Were you watching the hearing? The entire hearing was a bunch of Democrats trying to paint him out to be a drunk with no due process. No one wants to be investigated by the FBI because it's humiliating whether it's founded or unfounded. And he can't stop an investigation either.

You can have an opinion about him all you want but until proven, he is innocent of his crime. Your opinions aren't facts. How would you like to be target of allegation for rape and have a bunch of average joes on the internet judging your culpability before a verdict?

The Doctor that said Autism was caused by vaccination was as credible as he could get too. Look how that turned out.
 

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Circus good name... Also know it stands for that monthly flow.....

Kavanough is having a circus, how appropriate.... maybe he'll appreciate women more now.... doubt it...
 

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Today his actions and refusal to answer questions directly, are a good indicator he is not a good candidate for the office of the US Supreame Court as it reflects upon his character. Given the first incident happened in high school, he tried his I'm a pious religious guy routine, and not the out of controll drunk that he was in high school and college. He could of done the "I don't remember that incident" and he can't say he was drunk, cause that would mean he was lying about his pious religious bullshit...etc. either way he lied or said nothing. In the Supreme Court he will have to make a stand on issue and show his ethical stance on subjects. To me he is still that whiny, rich kid who thinks he can get away with everything (and he acted like that today) and not pay for his actions.... Man he sure didn't listen in bible study did he?

Could you imagine if his parents came forth and said they had to cover up a pregnancy with an abortion??
Except questions asked of him were leading or framing questions, none of which a judge with years of trial experience would want to answer.

Questions like "Were you drinking on weekdays?" are moronic. Leading the question in such a way to paint the guy as an excessive drinker is just an embarassment.
 

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Except questions asked of him were leading or framing questions, none of which a judge with years of trial experience would want to answer.

Questions like "Were you drinking on weekdays?" are moronic. Leading the question in such a way to paint the guy as an excessive drinker is just an embarassment.
Yo can go back and watch the tapes, and you'll be shocked to know that the Democratic senators didn't ask a single question about the alleged incident. That's right - not ONE question. They made statements, or asked about blackouts, drinking, his calendar and if he would ask the president for an FBI investigation, but not a single question to try to achieve information on the incident.

That, plus the fact they withheld the allegations for six weeks when a investigation might have been done in private, without the humiliating public spectacle they inflicted on Blasey Ford and Kavanaugh, shows this was all done with the intent to embarrass Trump, the Republicans and try to delay the process.
 

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Why is Brett K so adverse to having anyone contact his "friend" Mark Judge? A possible witness that they don't want to have him say anything?
Just asking.
Love how BK never answers a question. He likes beer, fell asleep after drinking too many. Tiptoed around without answering.
And on a technicality, they kept using Dr Ford when asking him questions. Well at the time of the alleged incident, she was not yet a Dr. So he is telling the truth he never did the alleged things to Dr Ford, as she was not a Dr at that time. Wonder if his answers would have changed had they used Christine Ford instead of Dr Ford?
 

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My money is on this new probe turning up nothing because of that "limited scope" caveat. They'll block the FBI from pursuing anything meaningful and then say "we did what you asked and, see, nothing..."

The obvious evasiveness and bullshit he spewed in his hearing ought to be enough to disqualify him, but I bet they won't be allowed to look into his claims, just if there's any corroboration of Ford's assertions and absolutely nothing else.

Would be fun if they got some insight from the prosecutor who questioned Ford, though. Something clearly clicked in her head during the course of inquiry.
 

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"Polygraphs are extremely unreliable indicators of truthfulness — but they also happen to be a tool that Kavanaugh vouched for in one of his opinions on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. n 2016, Kavanaugh wrote the opinion for a case involving a Ph.D. student who had filed several Freedom of Information Act requests for her dissertation on polygraph bias. The court case centered on whether the student qualified for reduced FOIA fees — the panel decided that she did — but the panel also weighed in on the Defense Department’s decision to withhold certain reports about polygraph exams.

In his opinion, Kavanaugh concluded that polygraphs are a valuable tool for the government to determine credibility and decide who should be allowed to handle classified information."

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry...stine-blasey-ford_us_5bad52cbe4b0425e3c21f60a
 

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My money is on this new probe turning up nothing because of that "limited scope" caveat. They'll block the FBI from pursuing anything meaningful and then say "we did what you asked and, see, nothing..."

The obvious evasiveness and bullshit he spewed in his hearing ought to be enough to disqualify him, but I bet they won't be allowed to look into his claims, just if there's any corroboration of Ford's assertions and absolutely nothing else.

Would be fun if they got some insight from the prosecutor who questioned Ford, though. Something clearly clicked in her head during the course of inquiry.
A hearing is not a trial.

Answering leading and framing questions is self incriminating and therefore pointless. He is a career judge and lawyer, certainly not stupid enough to fall for non-sequitur questions
 

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A hearing is not a trial.

Answering leading and framing questions is self incriminating and therefore pointless. He is a career judge and lawyer, certainly not stupid enough to fall for non-sequitur questions
No but if he is found to have been lying to a Senate hearing, it could be career ending and possible disbarment.

He never did answer the direct question if he would ask the Senate chair and the White House to commence an FBI investigation knowing that lying to FBI is a Federal crime. He was careful not to go there but said something innocuous that he would support a 'generic' investigation.
 

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No but if he is found to have been lying to a Senate hearing, it could be career ending and possible disbarment.

He never did answer the direct question if he would ask the Senate chair and the White House to commence an FBI investigation knowing that lying to FBI is a Federal crime. He was careful not to go there but said something innocuous that he would support a 'generic' investigation.
He can't ask, nor can he stop an investigation, so the question was pointless, and merely a way to try to embarrass him.

Also, a comment above seemed to imply that the investigation will somehow be blocked, or influenced. It is a non-partisan FBI investigation, not a Senate investigation. Why would it be assumed they might taint their reputation?
 

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He can't ask, nor can he stop an investigation, so the question was pointless, and merely a way to try to embarrass him.

Also, a comment above seemed to imply that the investigation will somehow be blocked, or influenced. It is a non-partisan FBI investigation, not a Senate investigation. Why would it be assumed they might taint their reputation?
Trump has ordered an FBI investigation so it all moot now. Let's hope they find some fire to go with all the smoke. Ford appeared much more believable than Kavanaugh in the live hearings. Even Fox News, Trump pet news network said as much. My suspicion is that they will find something.

JD
 

clu

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He can't ask, nor can he stop an investigation, so the question was pointless, and merely a way to try to embarrass him.

Also, a comment above seemed to imply that the investigation will somehow be blocked, or influenced. It is a non-partisan FBI investigation, not a Senate investigation. Why would it be assumed they might taint their reputation?
He can ask. He doesn't have the authority to order it but he can ask.

My comment was the Senate specifically said that they would approve an investigation that was "limited in scope". Limiting the scope means they will be expected not to turn over certain rocks. If the FBI is directed to investigate within that limited scope and find nothing, they did their job, but by the Senate not saying what the limited scope is, it may allow people to think they investigated more than they did and thus mislead the average person into believing he's been cleared on more than he was.
 
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