2022 Canada Political Thread

[80watts]

So do a lot of people.
I think voters should have to serve two years in the military and be deployed overseas. And no Donald Trump notes from mommy bullshit. The Romans had the right idea.


Uhhhh…
I bet there’s a lot more tax dodging going on in West Vancouver than in all the reserves in Canada combined.
Which has more billionaires: the GVRD or all First Nations put together?

The 2 years service sounds good, but its unlikely. If you ever saw the movie "StarShip Troopers" a movie based on Robert A Heinlein book. IN it to get a vote you had to serve in the military or in the government to be able to vote.
With Rome, first only landowners could vote and could only serve in the army. Eventually free men from the cities were allowed to enter the army and only after 20 years service could gain land and the vote. All male citizen got the vote after 212 AD. I believe this was after a few plagues passed through the Roman empire.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_citizenship

Yes I agree the rich bastards have too many loopholes. A nice flat tax should fuck them over and help put more money in the politicians pockets.
A main thing for taxes is land taxes for most cities and towns. Income tax is only a recent tax used temporarily during WW1 and WW2. It wasn't until the 1970 that income tax became law.
Food for thought, it also was the idea to run the government in debt that started at this time. Wonder where all that money went to....

 

[80watts]

Tax the churches.

He writes as he awaits the righteous to hurl lightning bolts in his general direction ...

Pagan..... only Zeus and Thor hurl lightning bolts.....

An idea of taxing churches would not work so well. Look at the good a church can do. Feed and clothe poor people. Sanctuary for people. Churches do have a declining number of members.... I think they pay land taxes?
But the best thing is that a political contribution is worth more of a tax write off then a donation to a church..... go fiqure....

 

[Equity Market investor]

That goes both ways too. The blind can't see either.

It's called 'confirmation bias'. One only interacts with those that agree with their views, so they believe everyone thinks the same way. They don't engage with someone with a differing viewpoint.
But having said that, it is difficult to engage with someone who thinks Covid is just a flu, and who's political depth consists of 'Trudeau sucks'.

 

[licks2nite]

You can't legislate common sense nor good manners.

Good fences make good neighbours.

 

[jgg]

Good fences make good neighbours.

If you have good grass, you don't need good fences

 

[westwoody]

That goes both ways too. The blind can't see either.

There is no “both ways” in an objective statement of fact.
Confirmation bias is not a liberal conspiracy.

 

[Equity Market investor]

Sure, if you say so. Blaze another one for the nation.

There is no “both ways” in an objective statement of fact.
Confirmation bias is not a liberal conspiracy.

 

[overdone]

Yep bang on

Governments have a 3 to 5% leeway at max when it comes down to making cuts or reallocating budgets from year to year as almost everything is under contracts. Mulroney learned the hard way during is 2 terms as he was trying to fix the mess left by Trudeau 1.0 . Who ever comes after Trudeau 2.0 will have the same problems and will have to be creative and steer the economy properly to recalibrate debt to GDP as fast as possible to make it sustainable on the long term.

that's complete crap, there is way more to cut, reallocate

before covid, Trudeau was wasting billions on bribes, welfare, waste

the provinces are too, the municipalities aren't any different either

why do you think you need 2 jobs or 2 people in on household to get by now?

TAXES

IT'S YOUR NUMBER ONE EXPENSE

between the welfare for old people, Old Age Security, which virtually everyone gets, plus the lastest bribes from Harper, which went way up under Trudeau, the Feds are spending almost 100 billion alone now
and it's only going to get worse with the Boomers coming into full effect

go talk to anyone who works for the government, with the government, sells to the government

they'll tell you, if they're honest about the gross incompetence, waste, indifference to how the money is spent, allocated

ffs just look at what was just reported about how much money is spent on Trudeau's household for FOOD, average 7000.00/month

now mulitply that by the thousand, millions of transactions across 3 levels of government, agencies, boards, committees, ect........

you'd think on here

the least one would understand is when they're not getting

VALUE FOR MONEY

CANADIANS AREN'T, HAVEN'T BEEN FOR DECADES SINCE THE FIRST PIECE OF SHIT TRUDEAU CAME TO POWER, WE'RE STILL PAYING FOR WHAT HE DID, WE'LL BE PAYING FOR HIS
WASTE OF SKIN KID'S FOR FAR LONGER

 

[carvesg]

that's complete crap, there is way more to cut, reallocate

before covid, Trudeau was wasting billions on bribes, welfare, waste

the provinces are too, the municipalities aren't any different either

why do you think you need 2 jobs or 2 people in on household to get by now?

TAXES

IT'S YOUR NUMBER ONE EXPENSE

between the welfare for old people, Old Age Security, which virtually everyone gets, plus the lastest bribes from Harper, which went way up under Trudeau, the Feds are spending almost 100 billion alone now
and it's only going to get worse with the Boomers coming into full effect

go talk to anyone who works for the government, with the government, sells to the government

they'll tell you, if they're honest about the gross incompetence, waste, indifference to how the money is spent, allocated

ffs just look at what was just reported about how much money is spent on Trudeau's household for FOOD, average 7000.00/month

now mulitply that by the thousand, millions of transactions across 3 levels of government, agencies, boards, committees, ect........

you'd think on here

the least one would understand is when they're not getting

VALUE FOR MONEY

CANADIANS AREN'T, HAVEN'T BEEN FOR DECADES SINCE THE FIRST PIECE OF SHIT TRUDEAU CAME TO POWER, WE'RE STILL PAYING FOR WHAT HE DID, WE'LL BE PAYING FOR HIS
WASTE OF SKIN KID'S FOR FAR LONGER

We agree on the mismanagement but as for cutting in the budget no you can't cut freely . Mulroney tried hard and Paul Martin had to try harder by unloading the deficit on the provinces by cutting payment transfers for programs ( health,etc ) just for the central government to avoid bankruptcy or at least a monetary crisis in 95/96.

What you are talking about is the printing money problem that a lot of governments have (central banks involved) or their addiction to deficits to please people . That's not part of cutting budgets it's self control from all levels of government.

No need to remind me how horribly managed all levels of government are . I lived for awhile around Ottawa and have stories to fill up a book about the waste from different ministries and agencies.

We all agree that no Trudeau should be put in a position where they can handle public money .

 

[licks2nite]

If you have good grass, you don't need good fences

Or good heroin, which?

 

[marsvolta]

TAXES

IT'S YOUR NUMBER ONE EXPENSE

well, i make my money from a corporation so... i don't really pay taxes.

 

[Kissmepassionately]

Name calling is not helpful.
Argue for or against the policy, not the person.

Why don't you call out those who use terrible names about others, but jump all over it when its about trudeau, the worst PM in my life time.

 

[Equity Market investor]

Like I said....the blind cant see. Most " lefty's " seem to be that way, anyhow. the CNN freaks I call it. They live in the land of delusion and fear. Just like they can't admit that everything is pretty much back to Normal, but these old lefty''s are still screaming Covid lol. And today, the P.M said he's about to scrap the arrive app all together. Finally, I can applaud him for doing something intelligent! . Oh, but we still have " Covid " ! Oooooooook, Sure. So much for it being so " deadly " lol

Why don't you call out those who use terrible names about others, but jump all over it when its about trudeau, the worst PM in my life time.

 

[westwoody]

Why don't you call out those who use terrible names about others, but jump all over it when its about trudeau, the worst PM in my life time.

Where in the sentence “Name calling is not helpful” does it say anything about Trudeau?
Does it say calling Tories names is good?
Does it say calling Liberals names is good?

 

[Kissmepassionately]

Where in the sentence “Name calling is not helpful” does it say anything about Trudeau?
Does it say calling Tories names is good?
Does it say calling Liberals names is good?

My point was that you never said a word when Donald, or Pierre were being called names. But when someone else says something about Trudeau, then you bring it up.

 

[80watts]

that's complete crap, there is way more to cut, reallocate

before covid, Trudeau was wasting billions on bribes, welfare, waste

the provinces are too, the municipalities aren't any different either

why do you think you need 2 jobs or 2 people in on household to get by now?

TAXES

IT'S YOUR NUMBER ONE EXPENSE

between the welfare for old people, Old Age Security, which virtually everyone gets, plus the lastest bribes from Harper, which went way up under Trudeau, the Feds are spending almost 100 billion alone now
and it's only going to get worse with the Boomers coming into full effect

go talk to anyone who works for the government, with the government, sells to the government

they'll tell you, if they're honest about the gross incompetence, waste, indifference to how the money is spent, allocated

ffs just look at what was just reported about how much money is spent on Trudeau's household for FOOD, average 7000.00/month

now mulitply that by the thousand, millions of transactions across 3 levels of government, agencies, boards, committees, ect........

you'd think on here

the least one would understand is when they're not getting

VALUE FOR MONEY

CANADIANS AREN'T, HAVEN'T BEEN FOR DECADES SINCE THE FIRST PIECE OF SHIT TRUDEAU CAME TO POWER, WE'RE STILL PAYING FOR WHAT HE DID, WE'LL BE PAYING FOR HIS
WASTE OF SKIN KID'S FOR FAR LONGER

#1 expense for me is the mortgage, but taxes added up would be first (income, land, gas, GST, PST).
The reality is that you need more people working and paying taxes, the higher the wage the better--the tax income for the government that is.
In June the unemployment rate was 5.4%, out of the workforce. So how many are in the workforce? Any where from 53-63% of the Canadian population. Still that is a good 40% of the population not working, (minus kids, school, old age pensioners). BabyBoomer make up 24.9% of the population.

Solution tax the rich companies or get rid of tax write offs until the debt is paid down and the budget is balanced and showing a healthly balance.

Got to say its gonna get alot fucken worse....

 

[Kissmepassionately]

A great start would be to stop giving away Canadians tax dollars to foreigners, and trudeau making back door deals with his buddies for billions.
Need an example, sure SNC lavalin, GMC, etc.

Trudeau is a crook. Not just a regular crook, but the biggest crook Canada has ever had.
How about even spending billions of our tax dollars, just so the news will spread his lies, instead of telling the truth.

To say that I hate him is an understatement!

He could not tell the truth, he is so used to telling lies, he has no concept of even how to tell the truth anymore.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

A great start would be to stop giving away Canadians tax dollars to foreigners, and trudeau making back door deals with his buddies for billions.
Need an example, sure SNC lavalin, GMC, etc.

Trudeau is a crook. Not just a regular crook, but the biggest crook Canada has ever had.
How about even spending billions of our tax dollars, just so the news will spread his lies, instead of telling the truth.

To say that I hate him is an understatement!

He could not tell the truth, he is so used to telling lies, he has no concept of even how to tell the truth anymore.

What are his lies exactly that you're so angry about?

 

[rlock]

This thread... I rest my case. Every party has its share of bullshit, but one thing about the Cons is that they never accepted losing (for good reason) in 2015, and have thrown bigger and more violent tantrums every year they've been out of power.

We could have better than what we've got now, but we've certainly had much worse (like the 9 years just before it). The only reason Trudeau is still PM and the mediocre Liberals' voter support does not collapse is that Canadians look at the alternative and go "fuck no, never those obnoxious dimwitted clowns". Against a storm surge of outright bullshit from Pollywannacracker and his troll army, it still looks in a good light - and that's very sad for this country.

Antifreeze may taste sweeter than water to a thirsty dog, but the effect of actually drinking it is death.

 

[rlock]

Fuck, enough about the national scene.

Municipal elections are here in BC too. What's your area's race looking like to you? You happy with what you've got, or you want someone new?