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carvesg

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Don't forget that low approval rating 2 years away from the next election means very little in this day and age .

Like you I don't like what Trudeau has been doing while governing our country just like I didn't like his father.

The problem for the conservative party is that for the majority of the people east of the great lakes don't really approve the right wing guys they keep putting forward with their policies. The cut throat policies and attitude seems to displease the majority of them which is why they gave the conservative party only one majority in the last 18 years or one in the 9 years in power. I'm tired of seeing them shooting themselves in the foot like a bunch of uninitiated.

Today on top of it all ....Poilievre supporters or staff are going after a Quebec mp who resigned. The way they are going about it is so ridiculous that it is making headlines in the medias. It's like watching preteens acting up after a disagreement...petty .
 
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Today on top of it all ....Poilievre supporters or staff are going after a Quebec mp who resigned. The way they are going about it is so ridiculous that it is making headlines in the medias. It's like watching preteens acting up after a disagreement...petty .
Exactly. Watching a bunch of wankers who never grew up, junior high school mentality, forever.

Maybe it's just their nature, like that old "frog & scorpion" story.

I don't expect politicians to be perfect, on their best behavior at all times, with no controversies ever.

At the same time I'd beware of any politician (or party) who checks a lot of these boxes, and if they check them all, such a person would be dangerous to ever give power to.


 
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The cut throat policies and attitude seems to displease the majority of them which is why they gave the conservative party only one majority in the last 18 years or one in the 9 years in power.
If one majority in the last 18 years is the barometer for "cut throat policies..."; well, using your 18 years, the federal Liberals have had exactly one majority election win as well (so they must have "cut throat policies" as well). You can paint your picture any which way you want - historically speaking, Liberals tend to beat themselves. And if recent history is a barometer - 10 years is about the self-life of a federal Liberal government (in very recent history, 10 years is about the shelf-life for any federal government, Conservative or Liberal). Assuming the Liberal/NDP deal lasts until 2025 - that would be 10 years. That will be the electoral question in the next federal election - what is the public's appetite for change (it tends to be high after roughly 10 years of the same party in power). People forget the 2015 election - the polling (through-out the early part of the election) was fairly close between all three major parties - obviously that changed towards the end of the election, what didn't change throughout the 2015 election was the polling showing nearly two-thirds of voters consistently saying that they wanted change (that never changed during the entire election). And that's exactly what happened! That's the polling to look at come the next federal election - not who's popular, not approval ratings - it's going to be the desire (or lack thereof) for change. Desire for change is stronger than any "feelings" voters have for "this" or "that" party. If the desire for change is strong come the next federal election - the Liberals will have beat themselves. Because the Libs should not let Trudeau run again (albeit they can't really stop him from running again, which he said he will do, therefore if he is a "party guy" he should be smart enough not to run again), the Libs shouldn't let anyone that can be seen as a "senior member" of this current government run as leader/selected/voted as leader to challenge the next election (like Freeland) - they can only beat the "change momentum/desire" with a new outside leader. The federal Libs should be courting Mark Carney and trying to dump Trudeau if they want a 4th mandate - he's an outsider (kind of) and no one (although I'm sure many will try) can challenge his economics bona fides. Polievre (like him or not) is seen as "good"or "strong" at hammering about the economy/economics - can't really do that with Mark Carney and I would imagine Carney would poll higher than Polievre on the economy file.
 

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If one majority in the last 18 years is the barometer for "cut throat policies..."; well, using your 18 years, the federal Liberals have had exactly one majority election win as well (so they must have "cut throat policies" as well). You can paint your picture any which way you want - historically speaking, Liberals tend to beat themselves. And if recent history is a barometer - 10 years is about the self-life of a federal Liberal government (in very recent history, 10 years is about the shelf-life for any federal government, Conservative or Liberal). Assuming the Liberal/NDP deal lasts until 2025 - that would be 10 years. That will be the electoral question in the next federal election - what is the public's appetite for change (it tends to be high after roughly 10 years of the same party in power). People forget the 2015 election - the polling (through-out the early part of the election) was fairly close between all three major parties - obviously that changed towards the end of the election, what didn't change throughout the 2015 election was the polling showing nearly two-thirds of voters consistently saying that they wanted change (that never changed during the entire election). And that's exactly what happened! That's the polling to look at come the next federal election - not who's popular, not approval ratings - it's going to be the desire (or lack thereof) for change. Desire for change is stronger than any "feelings" voters have for "this" or "that" party. If the desire for change is strong come the next federal election - the Liberals will have beat themselves. Because the Libs should not let Trudeau run again (albeit they can't really stop him from running again, which he said he will do, therefore if he is a "party guy" he should be smart enough not to run again), the Libs shouldn't let anyone that can be seen as a "senior member" of this current government run as leader/selected/voted as leader to challenge the next election (like Freeland) - they can only beat the "change momentum/desire" with a new outside leader. The federal Libs should be courting Mark Carney and trying to dump Trudeau if they want a 4th mandate - he's an outsider (kind of) and no one (although I'm sure many will try) can challenge his economics bona fides. Polievre (like him or not) is seen as "good"or "strong" at hammering about the economy/economics - can't really do that with Mark Carney and I would imagine Carney would poll higher than Polievre on the economy file.
I'm with you on almost everything but the criteria influencing the needles in the public opinion about the cut throat attitude. I might have been able to phrase it differently but I hear a lot from friends on social media in Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick about the low jabs from the Conservative party right now and before as it never seem to go away.

I wish Carney would have gone Blue and jumped in... He would be elected with a majority for 3 terms in my book but again being a great macro economist might not translate as a great politician ; even if he has had to play politics to be where he is or was . After Trudeau a purple Tory ( more blue than red but still reddish Tory ) would be elected for quite awhile after Trudeau 2.0 ....in my humble opinion . We will see
 

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Libs couldn't muster up enough votes to have any power, so jumped in with the ndp.
What that has done is piss off many previous ndp, and lib supporters.
I believe that both parties are going to see that come next election, because those who voted for one party or the other, didn't want them dancing together, but to be a legitimate opposition.
They both made a mistake by doing so.
 

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The mainstream media, led by the CBC, will destroy the conservatives during the election campaign. The MSM is a propaganda tool that benefits the liberals and in general the political left. The media is so bias that it hurting our democracy as voters see negative coverage of anyone that center-right or conservative.
 

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I posted this not as pro liberal but to encourage you all to examine claims carefully and check with verifiable sources.
I had a politician come round last week. He made all manner of claims but couldn’t back any of them up.
“We are going to cut the fat in government”. Well what programs are you going to cut? Be specific. He said they would look into that ONCE THEY ARE IN OFFICE!
“We are going to cut spending”. Again, what are you going to cut? No valid response.

Beware of unachievable goals.
Beware of promises that appeal to emotion rather than reason.
Vote for a platform of policy that you think is reasonable rather than voting for someone you like or against someone you don’t like as a person.

Don't be fooled into voting for someone who is a regular guy or gal “one of us”. Do you want a regular guy doing open heart surgery on you? Of course not you want the smartest guy possible! Same with running the country.
 

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Unlike the reject we currently have running the country.

Exactly what they said about the Cheeto.
Don't be fooled into voting for someone who is a regular guy or gal “one of us”. Do you want a regular guy doing open heart surgery on you? Of course not you want the smartest guy possible! Same with running the country.
 
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I posted this not as pro liberal but to encourage you all to examine claims carefully and check with verifiable sources.
I had a politician come round last week. He made all manner of claims but couldn’t back any of them up.
“We are going to cut the fat in government”. Well what programs are you going to cut? Be specific. He said they would look into that ONCE THEY ARE IN OFFICE!
“We are going to cut spending”. Again, what are you going to cut? No valid response.

Beware of unachievable goals.
Beware of promises that appeal to emotion rather than reason.
Vote for a platform of policy that you think is reasonable rather than voting for someone you like or against someone you don’t like as a person.

Don't be fooled into voting for someone who is a regular guy or gal “one of us”. Do you want a regular guy doing open heart surgery on you? Of course not you want the smartest guy possible! Same with running the country.
Yep bang on

Governments have a 3 to 5% leeway at max when it comes down to making cuts or reallocating budgets from year to year as almost everything is under contracts. Mulroney learned the hard way during is 2 terms as he was trying to fix the mess left by Trudeau 1.0 . Who ever comes after Trudeau 2.0 will have the same problems and will have to be creative and steer the economy properly to recalibrate debt to GDP as fast as possible to make it sustainable on the long term.
 

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My comment defined it well. I don't support any of his policies. Simple enough. I'm an investor and I'm not alone with my thoughts ... believe that. If ur a supporter of him( pretty boy) , then we'll leave it at that.

Name calling is not helpful.
Argue for or against the policy, not the person.
 
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Do you want a regular guy doing open heart surgery on you? Of course not you want the smartest guy possible! Same with running the country.
The smartest, hard working people do not want to be politicians. That leaves the left-overs.
 

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Many social media sites, investor forums I participate in, people I chat with don't support him. Heck....for the most part, western Canada. However, Quebec....that's another ball game. Hmmmm
Average Canadian is not participating in online investor forums.
People you chat with are not necessarily a random sampling of opinions.
I have met many western Canadians who do support the Liberals.
I am not disputing your own experience. Most people give more credence to their personal experience than objectively gathered data and that is a real problem.
By socialising with people who are like ourselves, we start to feel everyone is like us. By not socialising with people who disagree with us we forget they exist or dismiss them as trivial.
 

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By socialising with people who are like ourselves, we start to feel everyone is like us. By not socialising with people who disagree with us we forget they exist or dismiss them as trivial.
I don't do a lot of socializing, I may be to straight forward for some people.
 

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If the "skippy" is not well liked because of his past politics, the conservatives will fail in the election.
On the other hand Trudeau has mass debt of the covid crisis to deal with.
The biggest debt Canada will have to face is the native land claims, which will literally cost trillions. Bring in the tax man, and tax land and income on Indian Reservations, instead of having Cdn tax dollars spend billions on them. They get to vote without paying taxes. Look at all those business on Reserves, that don't pay taxes to the federal government. It about high time they start paying taxes like the rest of Canadians....
This is the most important financial issue Canadians will ever have to deal with in the next 30 years.
If the residential schools created lawyers for the Aboriginals, taxes will turn them into true Canadian citizens...
 
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Bring in the tax man, and tax land and income on Indian Reservations, instead of having Cdn tax dollars spend billions on them. They get to vote without paying taxes. Look at all those business on Reserves, that don't pay taxes to the federal government.
You might want to read up on the Treaties that were signed with the Indigenous peoples.
 
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Ray

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Average Canadian is not participating in online investor forums.
People you chat with are not necessarily a random sampling of opinions.
I have met many western Canadians who do support the Liberals.
I am not disputing your own experience. Most people give more credence to their personal experience than objectively gathered data and that is a real problem.
By socialising with people who are like ourselves, we start to feel everyone is like us. By not socialising with people who disagree with us we forget they exist or dismiss them as trivial.
It's called 'confirmation bias'. One only interacts with those that agree with their views, so they believe everyone thinks the same way. They don't engage with someone with a differing viewpoint.
But having said that, it is difficult to engage with someone who thinks Covid is just a flu, and who's political depth consists of 'Trudeau sucks'.
 
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They get to vote without paying taxes
So do a lot of people.
I think voters should have to serve two years in the military and be deployed overseas. And no Donald Trump notes from mommy bullshit. The Romans had the right idea.

Look at all those business on Reserves, that don't pay taxes to the federal government
Uhhhh…
I bet there’s a lot more tax dodging going on in West Vancouver than in all the reserves in Canada combined.
Which has more billionaires: the GVRD or all First Nations put together?
 
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Tax the churches.

He writes as he awaits the righteous to hurl lightning bolts in his general direction ...
 
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