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Billiam

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What local platform - these are MUNICIPAL elections, and every city has it's own issues/parties. Anyone who wants to know can look it up, the same as always.
 

licks2nite

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In radio news: BC tug boat operator handed tens of thousands in fines for employing unqualified crew, killing 2. Canada lost skilled work force to draw upon decades ago through wholesale manufacturing taxes, no right to work, compliant politicians and civil service. Consolidated by so called "free trade" treaties employing slave marginalized overseas labour in lax environmental standards.

Opinion: BC tug boat operator would be under pressure to sell out to international consortium with access to international source of labour. Another lost Canadian owned and operated company.
 

80watts

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Actually if you are on a Canadian flagged vessel, you have to pay Cdn wages and conform to Transport Canada regulations. The problem occurs when we allow foreign vessels to sail up inland waters (rivers and to the Great Lakes) and stop at more than 1 Canadian port. Prime example is Canada steamships (flagged to another country). These vessels fly under foreign flags and have low wages and training for their workers. The US only allows a foreign vessel to come into port one time, and then has to leave the US. This insures that American ports are using American vessels to sail to more than 1 port in the US, keeping employment within the US, and helping their ship building industry.

Everybody working on a Canadian flagged vessel must have the proper qualifications. The basic calls for firefighting course and trade courses.
 

rlock

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What local platform - these are MUNICIPAL elections, and every city has it's own issues/parties. Anyone who wants to know can look it up, the same as always.

Not as easy as it sounds. The candidates' own platforms are very vague / same-y sounding, and even taking a guess based on political party / ideology doesn't work in all cases. Some places have none, so you're like "who the fuck are these candidates?"; others like City Of Vancouver, have too many mayoral candidates and each seems to have their own little political party whose only purpose is to flood the council with loyalists to the mayor wannabe. (The egos on some of these people, seriously.)

Media outlets (do not cover it very much. The big sources have little interest in it; they go on an on about City Of Vancouver, then Surrey, then it's like "who cares?" for any other municipality. The small community papers are good about it but have such small resources, and basically if you blink, you'll miss it.

I always try to get informed, and always vote, but it's a real head-scratcher under such circumstances.

This time around, there are some real game-changing decisions. How things go with street crime, policing, transit, rental housing, etc. and all those developments - the good ones and stupid ones.

Imagine in the interior or Fraser Valley, having to choose who will be in charge of rebuilding after all the heat waves, fires, floods, etc., or having just as serious problems in the community with crime, drugs, homelessness, etc. as Metro Vancouver does.
 
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licks2nite

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Actually if you are on a Canadian flagged vessel, you have to pay Cdn wages and conform to Transport Canada regulations. The problem occurs when we allow foreign vessels to sail up inland waters (rivers and to the Great Lakes) and stop at more than 1 Canadian port. Prime example is Canada steamships (flagged to another country). These vessels fly under foreign flags and have low wages and training for their workers. The US only allows a foreign vessel to come into port one time, and then has to leave the US. This insures that American ports are using American vessels to sail to more than 1 port in the US, keeping employment within the US, and helping their ship building industry.

Everybody working on a Canadian flagged vessel must have the proper qualifications. The basic calls for firefighting course and trade courses.
Canada lost skilled labour force in more ways than one. Transport Canada regulations don't bring back high IQ migrants who left with manufacturing careers and jobs 40 to 70 years ago. Can't expect to back cross dullards and find enough intelligent folk to do hazardous work properly regardless of how many detailed regulations put into effect. I think everyone's heard about how "red tape", i.e. regulations impede business going forward.

Off topic: Fifty to 70 years ago high school shop courses routinely turned projects that rivaled commercial products. Doesn't happen today. An inclusive "woke" astronaut crew, with an average I.Q. 15 points below those who landed on the moon, containing a Canadian expected to go back. Regulations aside, think about the "last clear chance" law a minute. Regardless of who's at fault in creating a mishap, if opportunity exists in the final second to avert or mitigate accident you are at fault if you don't act upon that opportunity. Do you really want to go along and be responsible for mishaps as the dullard dithers over regulation?
 

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The candidates' own platforms are very vague / same-y sounding, and even taking a guess based on political party / ideology
Sounds like Winnipeg!
Still no accountability for a regime that left taxpayers paying for a $400 million police hq, plus several fire halls and district police stations that cost multiple times their budget.
Crookedest administration ever and nobody faced any consequences except one fall guy.
 

westwoody

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In radio news: BC tug boat operator handed tens of thousands in fines for employing unqualified crew, killing 2.m
I train people to operate equipment.
I have seen the results of untrained operators accidents. It ain’t pretty.
 

skycrush99

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I’m completely stuck politically and it looks like I will be for some time. It’s so frustrating.

I’m a liberal (not the party) who wants government to be run more fiscally responsibly and to be more efficient. I believe in free markets and in innovation but I think capitalism needs to be tweaked because todays model is creating too much inequality. I am socially libertarian but I think wokeness & identity politics is getting out of hand and can be divisive and discriminatory, and I’d like more focus on our common humanity. I want to see politicians make less promises and focus on actually delivering on a few vision projects that can bring real change. I’m largely pro science and believe expertise actually exists, and I can’t stand the “vague bogeyman” fear tactics of populists. I’m for deregulation in many industries but recognize the value of certain institutions, but also know they must be held to account, be improved and be more transparent.

I guess I need a red Tory or a blue grit? I don’t see one coming any time soon.
 
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licks2nite

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I train people to operate equipment.
I have seen the results of untrained operators accidents. It ain’t pretty.
Guess that none of the equipment you instruct on ever supports a "Made in Canada" tag. For most part I'd say you're sales agent for foreign corporations.
 

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Guess that none of the equipment you instruct on ever supports a "Made in Canada" tag. For most part I'd say you're sales agent for foreign corporations.
What is your reasoning for this?
 

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I’m completely stuck politically and it looks like I will be for some time. It’s so frustrating.

I’m a liberal (not the party) who wants government to be run more fiscally responsibly and to be more efficient. I believe in free markets and in innovation but I think capitalism needs to be tweaked because todays model is creating too much inequality. I am socially libertarian but I think wokeness & identity politics is getting out of hand and can be divisive and discriminatory, and I’d like more focus on our common humanity. I want to see politicians make less promises and focus on actually delivering on a few vision projects that can bring real change. I’m largely pro science and believe expertise actually exists, and I can’t stand the “vague bogeyman” fear tactics of populists. I’m for deregulation in many industries but recognize the value of certain institutions, but also know they must be held to account, be improved and be more transparent.

I guess I need a red Tory or a blue grit? I don’t see one coming any time soon.
Higher chance of a blue Grit than a red Tory. Despite what many contend, there is still a sizable blue Grit contingent in the Liberal party. But I think with PP becoming the leader, the last of the red Tories are being chased out of that party. Many of my friends are red Tories and they don't want to support PP.
 
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I’m completely stuck politically and it looks like I will be for some time. It’s so frustrating.

I’m a liberal (not the party) who wants government to be run more fiscally responsibly and to be more efficient. I believe in free markets and in innovation but I think capitalism needs to be tweaked because todays model is creating too much inequality. I am socially libertarian but I think wokeness & identity politics is getting out of hand and can be divisive and discriminatory, and I’d like more focus on our common humanity. I want to see politicians make less promises and focus on actually delivering on a few vision projects that can bring real change. I’m largely pro science and believe expertise actually exists, and I can’t stand the “vague bogeyman” fear tactics of populists. I’m for deregulation in many industries but recognize the value of certain institutions, but also know they must be held to account, be improved and be more transparent.

I guess I need a red Tory or a blue grit? I don’t see one coming any time soon.
You are not alone,
 

rlock

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Higher chance of a blue Grit than a red Tory. Despite what many contend, there is still a sizable blue Grit contingent in the Liberal party. But I think with PP becoming the leader, the last of the red Tories are being chased out of that party. Many of my friends are red Tories and they don't want to support PP.
It's true.

1) The Libs are more corporate than their "progressive" facade indicates. Yeah, they're real great at supporting low-impact social causes, but on the big stuff, they might as well be Mulroney-era conservatives. It's not surprising to me how elitist they can be; what surprises me is how much they cling to stupid ideas while many good ideas get kicked to the curb because the insider establishment doesn't like them. Their achilles heel has always been their tendency to muddle through everything, and choose style when people want substance, delay & compromise when people want strong action, etc. They think the public will remember & appreciate their successes; the public is actually more likely to forget all that when it comes time to punish failure.

2) There are no "red Tories" anymore and haven't been since back when David Orchard was swindled by Peter Mackay into folding up the PC's. The Conservative movement (whatever it calls itself now) are identical to USA Republicans, policy for policy, and word for word. As the Republicans get more openly crooked and extremist, our right wing feels compelled to follow them down the same path - doesn't matter how nuts it is, they are all hard-wired to emulate it. They can wave a million maple leaf flags as a gimmick, but their actions, rhetoric, and values make their true allegiance 100% clear. Pollievre is absolutely that type too - eager to cut the balls off Canada's federal government in the names of "states provinces rights", and never mind if that creates a dysfunctional country that is ripped to pieces. Maybe O'Toole might have kept the rabid dogs in the cage, but the fact the CPC dumped him just to make sure those dogs could run free says it all.

Trudeau is not loved (if he ever was), but Pollievre is hated. Seriously, Trudeau's best weapon - maybe only weapon - is the public looking at Pollievre and his party, and realizing the horror of what awaits Canada if the Conservatives win. Dangerous game for the Liberals, who honestly need someone better than JT leading them. He stays on only because they are certain that even a damaged JT could beat an obvious scum weasel like Pollievre. The big risk is that one day just enough of the Canadian public will forget what they learned the hard way in the past, and then the evil blue bastards will sneak back into power.

Honestly, the political leaders in Canada are pretty dismal. The competition is decided by anger, not inspiration. "Who do we hate the most, and how do we stop them?"
As usual, it still compares favourably to the eternal dumpster fire of US politics, but that's a pretty low standard to beat. Apathy is a big danger, smart voters getting demoralized and staying home while committed lunatics somehow get every vote out.
 
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Drjohn

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It's true.

1) The Libs are more corporate than their "progressive" facade indicates. Yeah, they're real great at supporting low-impact social causes, but on the big stuff, they might as well be Mulroney-era conservatives. It's not surprising to me how elitist they can be; what surprises me is how much they cling to stupid ideas while many good ideas get kicked to the curb because the insider establishment doesn't like them. Their achilles heel has always been their tendency to muddle through everything, and choose style when people want substance, delay & compromise when people want strong action, etc. They think the public will remember & appreciate their successes; the public is actually more likely to forget all that when it comes time to punish failure.

2) There are no "red Tories" anymore and haven't been since back when David Orchard was swindled by Peter Mackay into folding up the PC's. The Conservative movement (whatever it calls itself now) are identical to USA Republicans, policy for policy, and word for word. As the Republicans get more openly crooked and extremist, our right wing feels compelled to follow them down the same path - doesn't matter how nuts it is, they are all hard-wired to emulate it. They can wave a million maple leaf flags as a gimmick, but their actions, rhetoric, and values make their true allegiance 100% clear. Pollievre is absolutely that type too - eager to cut the balls off Canada's federal government in the names of "states provinces rights", and never mind if that creates a dysfunctional country that is ripped to pieces. Maybe O'Toole might have kept the rabid dogs in the cage, but the fact the CPC dumped him just to make sure those dogs could run free says it all.

Trudeau is not loved (if he ever was), but Pollievre is hated. Seriously, Trudeau's best weapon - maybe only weapon - is the public looking at Pollievre and his party, and realizing the horror of what awaits Canada if the Conservatives win. Dangerous game for the Liberals, who honestly need someone better than JT leading them. He stays on only because they are certain that even a damaged JT could beat an obvious scum weasel like Pollievre. The big risk is that one day just enough of the Canadian public will forget what they learned the hard way in the past, and then the evil blue bastards will sneak back into power.

Honestly, the political leaders in Canada are pretty dismal. The competition is decided by anger, not inspiration. "Who do we hate the most, and how do we stop them?"
As usual, it still compares favourably to the eternal dumpster fire of US politics, but that's a pretty low standard to beat. Apathy is a big danger, smart voters getting demoralized and staying home while committed lunatics somehow get every vote out.
This should age well...lol.
 

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, The mainstream media will not allow any Conservative government to be elected. In Canada, as well as the United States, the mainstream media practices advocacy journalism and no longer objective journalism. The MSM advocates for left wing ideology and left wing politicians and constantly admonishes any and all conservative thought or politician.
 
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skycrush99

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, The mainstream media will not allow any Conservative government to be elected. In Canada, as well as the United States, the mainstream media practices advocacy journalism and no longer objective journalism. The MSM advocates for left wing ideology and left wing politicians and constantly admonishes any and all conservative thought or politician.
you ever hear of something called PostMedia? They own a few newspapers ….
 
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