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I love that the current movement in the polls, with the NDP and BQ rising, suggests a Liberal minority coalition government will be elected. Even if the Conservatives win the most seats they won't be able to form government because none of the other parties except for the PPC (with possibly 1 seat) will prop them up. This outcome basically guarantees a national pharmacare program and kills any future expansion or construction of oil pipelines.

Alberta and Saskatchewan have left themselves out in the cold by choosing to support a white nationalist, Christian, climate change denying, isolationist. Good thing there will be a government that is willing to help them wean themselves off of the oil teat.
lol, yeah, I hope you're right

then, when Kenney wakes up, grabs those virgin balls

and cuts off all the oil everywhere, everywhere, including the US

you'll have your oil free environment

you'll also have a recession, if not a depression, the Americans will be screaming at whoever is PM, cause there goes their cheap gas, Que will have to find 50% of it's oil elsewhere, BC's economy will crater, (they realize it, that's why they went to court), the oil tankers will be filling the harbor, say goodbye to those Orcas

whoever is PM will be looking at least 40B+ more in deficit

so keep pushing for it, cause when it happens, so will reality

Alberta pulls out of CCP, the rest of the country is looking at around a 10% increase in premiums

100-150B+ in economic activity comes from the oil and gas industry, which is virtually all in Alberta

so go vote for the NDP/Greens to prop up the Liberals

Bankrupt the country, do it, do it now, please do it

then maybe we will get an adult to run

so keep piling on, you clearly don't have a sense of the anger in Alberta
 
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storm rider

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I love that the current movement in the polls, with the NDP and BQ rising, suggests a Liberal minority coalition government will be elected. Even if the Conservatives win the most seats they won't be able to form government because none of the other parties except for the PPC (with possibly 1 seat) will prop them up. This outcome basically guarantees a national pharmacare program and kills any future expansion or construction of oil pipelines.

Alberta and Saskatchewan have left themselves out in the cold by choosing to support a white nationalist, Christian, climate change denying, isolationist. Good thing there will be a government that is willing to help them wean themselves off of the oil teat.
Ok so by your opinion being a devout Catholic defines a person to being a nationalist(racist) individual who is also a "denier" with regards to "climate change".....that is a pretty wide brush to paint someone with.The label of "denier" is directly attributed to "deniers of the Nazi holocost" when 5+ million Jews were terminated in death camps.It is now lobbed at Conservatives who are rightly skeptical of "man made" climate change.If the science is "settled" then why are the so called "climate experts" still feeding at the trough of tax payer money?

Also you are uninformed about the procedures in Parliament.If the Conservatives WIN enough seats they get the first chance to form Government.If the Lieberals try to form a coalition with the NDP and try to hijack/steal Government Scheer can pro-rougue parliament just like Harper did when the trio of ass clowns Dion/Layton(commie) and Duceppe tried to form a coalition Government and the reaction by Canadians was simply this "I did not vote for those three power hungry assholes!".

Should the Conservatives win a Minority Government and run things like they had a Majority the Lieberals will prop them up because the alternative is another election within 6-12 months and the Lieberals wont be able to afford to run a new campaign for the most part and the NDP are pretty much dead broke same for the Greens as no political party gets vote subsidies from tax payers anymore something I totally agree with.

If the Consevatives win a Majority Government then it is good bye for Trudeau as he will lose leadership of the party and when he cant have it his way he just quits....same with the rest of his life.

As for Jagmeet Singh no matter what the outcome of the election is he is facing a nasty leadership review and soon after the results.The commie knives are coming out of the woodwork with no doubt Naomi Klein who was one of the writers of the LEAP Manifesto looking for blood.

The whack nut bag lady type Elizabeth May who has been bleating like a billy goat with a length of brass wire around it's nut sack about the "CLIMATE CRISIS" through the campaign is only looking to at best hold onto her seat and that is all she cares about has she will be fully plugged into the solid gold MP Pension Plan and will also continue to stuff her face in the Parliament Dining Room every day and no doubt guzzle down a couple bottles of wine per day over lunch and dinner....at tax payer expense of course.

SR
 

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Hey, all you alt right conspi-racists can scream until you are blue in the face. No matter what fake news Rebel Media and the CPC are trying to disseminate, the writing is on the wall. Listen to Elizabeth May, the CPC is dead in the water. They have maintained their base of roughly 30% (which is way over concentrated in population and seat poor Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba) but haven't been able to gain any wider appeal. Meanwhile the progressive vote will force the Liberal government to swing left with their influence. National pharmacare, climate based policy, clean water for rural communities, the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples ... Canada will be great!

The irony is if Trudeau had won a majority Alberta would have got their pipeline
 

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And the poles are open, get out and vote people.
I had time yesterday to go vote. I phoned the elections Canada 1 800 to find the polling station and they gave me the wrong address

:rolleyes:

I found it on the Global news site.
 

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Hey, all you alt right conspi-racists can scream until you are blue in the face. No matter what fake news Rebel Media and the CPC are trying to disseminate, the writing is on the wall. Listen to Elizabeth May, the CPC is dead in the water. They have maintained their base of roughly 30% (which is way over concentrated in population and seat poor Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba) but haven't been able to gain any wider appeal. Meanwhile the progressive vote will force the Liberal government to swing left with their influence. National pharmacare, climate based policy, clean water for rural communities, the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples ... Canada will be great!

The irony is if Trudeau had won a majority Alberta would have got their pipeline
Wow you are delusional to say the least( I truly hope the MODS wont consider the word "delusional" as an "insult" as it is an "opinion"),you figure that for the last 4 years of Governance under Trudeau has been "good" for this country!!!!!In the same breath you actually want 4 more years of this Governance and the associated scandals and kickbacks and DRIVE Canada into another 30 BILLION into DEBT when right now into this "hustings" under the incumbant Government the budget was supposed to "balance itself".....that did not happen and despite the best efforts of "Climate Barbie" McKenna Canada has not reduced CO2 emissions but they sure have fuck TAXED them.

I guess you dont get it.Climate Change has been going on for MILLIONS of years....not the last 100 years as measured and only tacked onto WESTERN SOCIETY or in the last 20 YEARS.Follow the MONEY.

Cripes you talk about the cost of seeing a hooker/courtesan etc and whine about it YET you are quite fucking happy to encourage taxation in a different form upon society for the sake of the moral higher ground that delivers NOTHING.

Mankind is destroying this planet?...Not likely....this planet throws out it's vengeance when it chooses to do so...an earthquake here or there....perhaps a tidal wave that wipes out 250,000 people.....go back in time and picture all of those occupants of Pempeii that got frozen in volcanic ash.

If you wish to dispute ANY points I have raised please be specific.

SR
 

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If you wish to dispute ANY points I have raised please be specific.
What would be the point? You've had specifics lobbed at you every time you insist mankind is incapable of pushing climate change into dangerous territory, but you haven't acknowledged the reality let alone refuted it.

In brief again, while climate fluctuates, we are seeing a runaway variance that's trending toward the significant extinction level events of pre-history where excess carbon was freed from the earth's crust in short order. "Follow the money:" ok... the bulk of the money is in the oil industry and its lobbies.

It's true our government has done a piss poor job of addressing the very climate concerns they raise, but that doesn't invalidate the science. That just makes the allegedly climate-aware Liberals as pathetic as climate deniers.
 

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Yup its very likely that Alberta will separate from Canada. If it does, 2 weeks later the army will go in an conquer it, and all oil field will fall under federal jurisdiction.... The oil in the ground is too important for Canada's future. As for why we import oil from Saudi Arabia, its simple, use their light crude oil up first. Then when world oil becomes scarce, start refining our heavier oil from the tar sands....

Also the far north holds lots and lots of resources in the ground. Minerals , oil . Its a common joke that China looks at Siberia as its northern resources area (Russians don't like that talk). Canada is no different. The opening of the NW passage longer means more development in the north. Right now the cost is prohibited, but as more and more people are exploring for minerals and oil up there. People don't like going there because its cold, and dark. But will go if they make lots of money....

As for taxes on Carbon, if they were used to help get the rest of Canada off the oil, then its a good tax. If its for general revenue, its a bad tax. Just like the tax on gas at the pumps, originally it was to maintain and build more roads, but ended up in general renvenue....

The next government (dosen't matter who it is) will have to raise GST, and add more taxes on the Carbon (use that money to turn from oil to renewable energy options and storage), tax more resource base minerals . The next government will have to have mega projects for transit system in cities and between them. Trains will be the norm instead of diesel transport trucks (semi's). Liciences for semi's will double or triple in order to force transport by trains. Land will be confiscated (although to compensate the owners- a tax credit will be given them instead of money or other land, non transferable? (maybe only to banks) and you have 100 years to use it with your fed and provincial taxes). Call it he the great Land steal...

Same thing for first Nations....instead of money they get tax credits. and the fed government can charge land taxes....

The way to make money/riches is to rape the land (and not fork out money for environmental shit cause that destroys profit), make a quick buck and then leave the country.... The rich can leave, but the poor can not. The poor then live in the environmental disaster the rich left behind....
 

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Wow you are delusional to say the least( I truly hope the MODS wont consider the word "delusional" as an "insult" as it is an "opinion"),you figure that for the last 4 years of Governance under Trudeau has been "good" for this country!!!!!In the same breath you actually want 4 more years of this Governance and the associated scandals and kickbacks and DRIVE Canada into another 30 BILLION into DEBT when right now into this "hustings" under the incumbant Government the budget was supposed to "balance itself".....that did not happen and despite the best efforts of "Climate Barbie" McKenna Canada has not reduced CO2 emissions but they sure have fuck TAXED them.

I guess you dont get it.Climate Change has been going on for MILLIONS of years....not the last 100 years as measured and only tacked onto WESTERN SOCIETY or in the last 20 YEARS.Follow the MONEY.

Cripes you talk about the cost of seeing a hooker/courtesan etc and whine about it YET you are quite fucking happy to encourage taxation in a different form upon society for the sake of the moral higher ground that delivers NOTHING.

Mankind is destroying this planet?...Not likely....this planet throws out it's vengeance when it chooses to do so...an earthquake here or there....perhaps a tidal wave that wipes out 250,000 people.....go back in time and picture all of those occupants of Pempeii that got frozen in volcanic ash.

If you wish to dispute ANY points I have raised please be specific.

SR
Sorry SR - you are mistaken, I have never bitched about the cost of seeing someone for intimate companionship (please cite the post where I have bitched?) - but I do live in one of the best cities in the world, and with record unemployment and an economy that has surged under Trudeau (although as a small business owner, I seem to give much less credit to the government for economic outcomes than you do), while building infrastructure, preserving and expanding social programs, reestablishing Canada as one of the most humanitarian countries in the world, reestablishing relations and respect for First Nations, and maintaining the highest bond rating in the world, Yes! I have been happy with our leadership.

But I have always voted New Democrat so my politics skew towards spending more money on social programs to empower, support and educate the underclass, tax privilege, protect the environment, nationalize pharmacare and dentistry and moth ball the tar sands while starting to brown out all fossil fuels.

And like Gerta, if you are uneducated and in denialism, I am not here to educate you or convince you.
 

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And just a thought, but did Scheer get the job at the insurance office because he could boast on his resume that his past job as a restaurant server gave him the experience necessary to confidently unlock the door, turn on the lights, put on the coffee and answer a phone? I wonder if the Pantry will hire him back after losing the election? I know his lying about being an insurance broker basically excludes him from pursuing those dreams.
 
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Seriously don't bother to engage the climate deniers and hard right. You aren't going to convince them.

They get marginalized in real life so that's why they end up here.

Add them to your ignore list so you can have a better perb experience. No need for aggravation.
 

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Seriously don't bother to engage the climate deniers and hard right. You aren't going to convince them.

They get marginalized in real life so that's why they end up here.

Add them to your ignore list so you can have a better perb experience. No need for aggravation.
First, not many on the right deny climate change. We deny versions of it because it's fueld by anti-corporate propaganda and endless litigation that benefit fringe groups.

Second, there is to-date no accurate prediction of future climate. The right believes things need to be done but not done in the way that taxes productivity and creativity. Acting on unknowns based on unknowns is a disaster. It's why the Soyuz killed Komarov, an increasing prevalence in superbacteria, and whatever ills CRISPR might bring.

The select few who do deny climate change are a vocal minority, just like the leftists who believe in absolute anarchy.
 

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What would be the point? You've had specifics lobbed at you every time you insist mankind is incapable of pushing climate change into dangerous territory, but you haven't acknowledged the reality let alone refuted it.

In brief again, while climate fluctuates, we are seeing a runaway variance that's trending toward the significant extinction level events of pre-history where excess carbon was freed from the earth's crust in short order. "Follow the money:" ok... the bulk of the money is in the oil industry and its lobbies.

It's true our government has done a piss poor job of addressing the very climate concerns they raise, but that doesn't invalidate the science. That just makes the allegedly climate-aware Liberals as pathetic as climate deniers.

pollution is one thing, coal is worse than NG, so's burning oil, it's still happening in Canada down east btw, they still use oil to heat some homes

but, the science? look at these examples of the science over the yrs

https://edmontonsun.com/opinion/col...ions/wcm/041a775c-f2fe-4398-9986-2948550c8226

or do you think this guy a professor is completely lying?

doesn't seem very valid, those predictions

as does the world is going to end in 12 yrs, which is the current chicken little

the solutions are the problem, you could wipe Canada off the map

it won't help, real solutions are what's needed

BC'S OWN DATA HAS PROVEN THAT THE CARBON TAX HAS DONE NOTHING TO REDUCE EMISSIONS, THEY ARE UP, WENT DOWN INITIALLY, NOW THEY ARE RISING, EVEN THE ENVIRONMENTALISTS ADMIT THAT

their one little LNG plant, is going to blow any hope of reversing that out of the water, again delusions of being Green

Horgan already said he's going to put the extra money back into general revenues, it's no longer rev neutral

just like Notely was doing from the start in Alberta

just like Trudeau is doing, it isn't all going back to the general public

Canada's emission aren't going down, no one believes they will meet the targets without catering the economy

for christ sake, just look at solar panels

I haven't seen one, not one time when they are mentioned, that you don't pay up front, then it takes 15-20yrs to get a payback, once I've seen someone mention the life-cycle at around 30-40yrs

now take the stupid Carbon tax, 300-800 dollars a yr is what our Dear Leader is giving you back, not the GST though, no, no

who's going to change their behaviour when you get that, but have to come up with 10-20G's or finance it?

or pay extra for a electric car, compared to the gas model, which is basically the same amount you'd spend in gas over the life of the car, then if you manage to keep the electric model, need another 6-8G's for new batteries

or how about renovating your house, 50-100G's to save a few hundred a month in savings

little wonder why no one is doing this

and the politicians still won't even change the building codes now, which they could do

cost benefit, it isn't viable yet, unless you can write it off or have money to waste just to feel smug about being green





Yup its very likely that Alberta will separate from Canada. If it does, 2 weeks later the army will go in an conquer it, and all oil field will fall under federal jurisdiction.... .
lol, yeah, sure, the army, hahaha, that's as likely that May will be PM




Seriously don't bother to engage the climate deniers and hard right. You aren't going to convince them.
it's about reality

China, India, US, Russia

4 countries that don't give a shit about the environment, who produce 60% of emissions

China/India alone are not going to stop increasing emissions, they've said so many times

until they are as wealthy as the Americans/Europeans

Canada stopping oil/gas production

is like spitting on a forest fire, while those 2 countries are standing beside you pouring gas by truck load

bottomline, the rest of the world isn't going green

Carbon use, for energy, is still king, this isn't fake news, it's reality

we're still using oil and gas, which is increasing, not decreasing

Canada is a pimple on the ass of the world, you can squeeze it, but the face is covered with zits

the solutions being touted, aren't viable, not on a scale that's needed, they won't make a difference, until China, India, Russia, along with all the overpopulated areas of the world buy in too

which isn't going to happen, cause they're poor, and coal is the cheapest option going, oil is the easiest

so keep dreaming

emissions aren't going anywhere but up

with May/Singh/Turdeau, we will only be poorer, emissions won't go down

not without bankrupting Canada

unless you're going to reduce the herd, with an extinction

you're just deluding yourself

it isn't in our nature, humankind, lol
 

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Idiots, idiots everywhere

Just voted at advance poll.
Woman ahead of me, well dressed, upper middle class. As she drops her ballot in the box: “I voted for two. I hope that’s all right”.
Returning officer tells her that her ballot is spoiled.
Then there’s a big fuss because she wants to vote again.
How do such fucking imbeciles exist?
 

clu

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Just voted at advance poll.
Woman ahead of me, well dressed, upper middle class. As she drops her ballot in the box: “I voted for two. I hope that’s all right”.
Returning officer tells her that her ballot is spoiled.
Then there’s a big fuss because she wants to vote again.
How do such fucking imbeciles exist?
Not that it would fly either way, but one wonders if she was lying in hopes of being able to cast two legitimate ballots instead of one? Oh well, presumably she'll be back to try again. :)
 

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As for the aspect of Climate Change here is something the main stream media ignored and it is NOT Rebel Media or some other right wing source.

SR
 

storm rider

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More about the Drama Idiot , He's our !! for now !
Paying him for life for squat representation but full taxation
You are slightly wrong.Per my accountant the Lieberals want to fuck tax payers for 75% of their collective pay checks between incomes tax as well as line items like EI and CPP deductions.One of the biggest PLANK platforms is the NDP's LEAP Manifesto(only commies have a manifesto) and that not only says that Canada will fully phase out ALL fossil fuels by 2050 but also there will be a Communist re-distribution of wealth from the "haves" to the Have Nots"....thusly turning those that are at least a bit well off into people on welfare.Good example is myself....the Socialist NDP would say "well you have a housing structure that could house 2 families and you are a single male....arbitrarily we say you dont need that and you get to live in a studio government apartment and we will give your home to families".

Have you ever read the "leap manifesto"? For fuck sakes I could not get past the first chapter and when I asked a life long unionised Canada Post worker who is a lifelong NDP supporter who has run multiple times as a candidate both Provincially and Federally he said straight up that the "LEAP Manifesto" is just plain fucked and offered no defense to it.He basically said it was completely fucked up and that is was structured by the ELITES that wrote it.Elites at the top getting what they want whilst those beneath them work for it......kinda just like what happened to the USSR for well over 60 years.The only difference being that in the USSR people could be dragged from their homes in the middle of the night and if they survived the interrogation they were sent to the GULAG....it would take 2 terms of an NDP majority to get to that state of things.....on the first dance they would OUTLAW all firearms so the citizens could not fight back.

SR
 

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.Per my accountant the Lieberals want to fuck tax payers for 75% of their collective pay checks between incomes tax as well as line items like EI and CPP deductions.
You should probably think about getting a new accountant.
 

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latest CBC Quirks and Quarks episode Oct 12, 2019: Canada's latest Nobel laureate and our election science policy debate was a great reminder of the dark days of the Harper government:
Canadian Scientists Explain Exactly How Their Government Silenced Science
It's official — the Harper government muzzled scientists. Some say it's still happening

unfortunately, as expressed in the debate, the Conservatives appear to see nothing wrong with what happened and furthermore would attempt to tie all government science to commercial interests.
 

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What is interesting is that even if the Conservatives win more seats than the Liberals, if they don't have a majority, the Liberals (because they are the party currently in power) has the first opportunity to woo the other parties with seats and try to create an agreement that allows the Liberals to stay in power. This could be simply thru an agreement to perhaps agree to support some of the election planks put forward by those other parties or through an official coalition (less likely). And since none of the other parties seem to be freinds with the Conservatives, the Conservatives better hope that they win a majority or else they are very likely to be left out in the cold (in opposition).

My apologies if someone else has stated the same previously in this thread.

JD
 
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