(Hey BC) Does this sound familiar ?

rlock

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https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-s-sky-high-gas-prices-Newsom-seeks-14551504.php


Gov. Gavin Newsom asked the California attorney general’s office Monday to investigate whether a “mystery surcharge” on gasoline prices in the state was caused by oil companies “misleading and overcharging” their customers.

“There is no identifiable evidence to justify these premium prices,” Newsom wrote in a letter to Attorney General Xavier Becerra. “If oil companies are engaging in false advertising or price fixing, then legal action should be taken to protect the public.”

The commission’s report said its investigators “concluded that the primary cause of the residual price increase is simply that California’s retail gasoline outlets are charging higher prices than those in other states.”

Newsom requested the analysis in April, as gas prices soared above $4 per gallon in California.

Much of the difference in California’s higher prices can be attributed to extra costs from environmental regulations, such as a low-carbon requirement designed to cut greenhouse gas emissions and a cap-and-trade program for polluters. State taxes, including new fees to fund road repairs that took effect in 2017, are also a factor.

But the Energy Commission, which released its analysis Monday, found that the margin between retail gasoline prices and wholesale costs rose at a faster rate in California in recent years than it did in the rest of the country.


They're having the same debate on fuel price fixing / gouging as we are in BC, like almost word for word. :suspicious:
 

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Radio news this morning said that California refineries are back online that has dropped Vancouver gas prices by 12 cents.
 

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Radio news this morning said that California refineries are back online that has dropped Vancouver gas prices by 12 cents.
Seems kind of idiotic as the majority of fuel supply to the GVRD gets delivered via the TMX from refineries in Edmonton.A pipeline that has been in operation for 50+ years with the only major spill caused by a contractor hired by the city of Burnaby and the idiot operator of an excavator pierced the pipeline.He was looking for overhead powerlines but the retard paid no attention to what he was digging into with a gigantic earth mover.

A good solid pipeline that warrants expansion and needs it yet it does not get done and faces court battles over a pure NIMBY agenda which includes BS over the danger to Killer Whales.At the same time for the movement to protect those Killer Whales how many Killer Whales have been KILLED by all of the marine transport ships that VASTLY out number the oil tankers....the answer is ....ZERO.A Killer Whale is a dumb mammal but it has common sense.It knows it is not going to be the winner if it collides with a large ship or hell even the sea bus.I rode the sea bus countless times and I never saw a Killer Whale once.....just more NIMBY crapulence.

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Seems kind of idiotic as the majority of fuel supply to the GVRD gets delivered via the TMX from refineries in Edmonton.A pipeline that has been in operation for 50+ years with the only major spill caused by a contractor hired by the city of Burnaby and the idiot operator of an excavator pierced the pipeline.He was looking for overhead powerlines but the retard paid no attention to what he was digging into with a gigantic earth mover.

A good solid pipeline that warrants expansion and needs it yet it does not get done and faces court battles over a pure NIMBY agenda which includes BS over the danger to Killer Whales.At the same time for the movement to protect those Killer Whales how many Killer Whales have been KILLED by all of the marine transport ships that VASTLY out number the oil tankers....the answer is ....ZERO.A Killer Whale is a dumb mammal but it has common sense.It knows it is not going to be the winner if it collides with a large ship or hell even the sea bus.I rode the sea bus countless times and I never saw a Killer Whale once.....just more NIMBY crapulence.

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The Alberta based Parkland Inc. refinery operation in Burnaby is tiny. Shell Oil used to have a sizable operation at a nearby site and that site is still vacant and unused after the tear-down many years ago and stands with a old chain link fence around it next to a City of Burnaby nature park, an extension of the same park going by the existing Parkland refinery. The harbour of Vancouver is too tiny for todays oil tankers and even if TMX is built won't provide much more income stream that you'd expect from the old fashion ferry sized single hulled ships that used to come up Burrard Inlet while my neighbour and I rowed a small row-boat from Burnaby out across Burrard Inlet to Deep Cove to go fishing. At least half of the crude from Alberta in the current pipeline goes across the U.S. border to Ferndale WA refineries. Some more is burnt directly for 8 turbines near the east end of Burrard Inlet for local Vancouver and surrounding municipalities' electrical consumption. Another radio news item this morning that California brush fires are causing fuel shortages and putting Vancouver gas price up a few cent after yesterday's 12 cent price drop. Folks in Alberta have to realize that Vancouver harbour isn't a place for any big scale oil transit operations. Northern Gateway has to be revived for a decent revenue stream. But Hey, I also heard this morning that 2000 have been hired to start TMX.
 

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The Alberta based Parkland Inc. refinery operation in Burnaby is tiny. Shell Oil used to have a sizable operation at a nearby site and that site is still vacant and unused after the tear-down many years ago and stands with a old chain link fence around it next to a City of Burnaby nature park, an extension of the same park going by the existing Parkland refinery. The harbour of Vancouver is too tiny for todays oil tankers and even if TMX is built won't provide much more income stream that you'd expect from the old fashion ferry sized single hulled ships that used to come up Burrard Inlet while my neighbour and I rowed a small row-boat from Burnaby out across Burrard Inlet to Deep Cove to go fishing. At least half of the crude from Alberta in the current pipeline goes across the U.S. border to Ferndale WA refineries. Some more is burnt directly for 8 turbines near the east end of Burrard Inlet for local Vancouver and surrounding municipalities' electrical consumption. Another radio news item this morning that California brush fires are causing fuel shortages and putting Vancouver gas price up a few cent after yesterday's 12 cent price drop. Folks in Alberta have to realize that Vancouver harbour isn't a place for any big scale oil transit operations. Northern Gateway has to be revived for a decent revenue stream. But Hey, I also heard this morning that 2000 have been hired to start TMX.
Burning unrefined oil in turbines for power generation? I have a hard time seeing that as a possibility.
 

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Burning unrefined oil in turbines for power generation? I have a hard time seeing that as a possibility.
Crude is oil, period. Burns with a hot flame such as from natural gas and sustains itself once hot enough. Boils water, makes steam that turns turbine shafts that turn generators that make electricity. Disclosure: I don't work there, I just read about it on the plaques along the nature trails on the opposite side of Burrard Inlet.
 

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Crude is oil, period. Burns with a hot flame such as from natural gas and sustains itself once hot enough. Boils water, makes steam that turns turbine shafts that turn generators that make electricity. Disclosure: I don't work there, I just read about it on the plaques along the nature trails on the opposite side of Burrard Inlet.
I know very well what crude is. Have worked in the oil industry for a number of years. Unrefined crude contains wax, asphaltenes, salts, sand and other type of compounds which I expect would be harmful to the combustion process in a turbine.
 

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I know very well what crude is. Have worked in the oil industry for a number of years. Unrefined crude contains wax, asphaltenes, salts, sand and other type of compounds which I expect would be harmful to the combustion process in a turbine.
I'll have to concede that one based upon the literature. Could have used a heat exchanger and let the heated fuel settle contaminates and tolerate what was burnt with a filter. Folks in 1962 and especially the 1950s when the design would have been done didn't spend so much time thinking about environment like today. I'd like to actually hear from an employee that worked in Burrard Thermal.
 

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Crude is oil, period. Burns with a hot flame such as from natural gas and sustains itself once hot enough. Boils water, makes steam that turns turbine shafts that turn generators that make electricity. Disclosure: I don't work there, I just read about it on the plaques along the nature trails on the opposite side of Burrard Inlet.
Sounds like you didn’t read the plaques close enough.
 

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I'll have to concede that one based upon the literature. Could have used a heat exchanger and let the heated fuel settle contaminates and tolerate what was burnt with a filter.
That makes no sense at all. No understanding of industrial processes obviously.
 

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That makes no sense at all. No understanding of industrial processes obviously.
So, you're saying that burnt crude flu can't be scrubbed? Or at least that nobody is doing it these days. Or that deposits on a heat exchanger would inefficiently transfer heat.
 
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The point of me posting it was to show people that this price gouging situation is not some unique BC thing.
 

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Radio news speaks of California wildfires fluctuating the price of gasoline in Vancouver after California refinaries came back online. I'm guessing that BC doesn't actually get gasoline from California but from nearby refineries in State of Washington that is experiencing price fluctuations over the California fires.

Recent California pictures:

 

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It's funny how wildfires in California can effect the rise of gas in BC.....yet wildfires in British Columbia can make the price of lumber drop.....to the point of entire towns in the interior ,have half their population out of work two years later.
 

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Seems kind of idiotic as the majority of fuel supply to the GVRD gets delivered via the TMX from refineries in Edmonton.A pipeline that has been in operation for 50+ years with the only major spill caused by a contractor hired by the city of Burnaby and the idiot operator of an excavator pierced the pipeline.He was looking for overhead powerlines but the retard paid no attention to what he was digging into with a gigantic earth mover.

A good solid pipeline that warrants expansion and needs it yet it does not get done and faces court battles over a pure NIMBY agenda which includes BS over the danger to Killer Whales.At the same time for the movement to protect those Killer Whales how many Killer Whales have been KILLED by all of the marine transport ships that VASTLY out number the oil tankers....the answer is ....ZERO.A Killer Whale is a dumb mammal but it has common sense.It knows it is not going to be the winner if it collides with a large ship or hell even the sea bus.I rode the sea bus countless times and I never saw a Killer Whale once.....just more NIMBY crapulence.

SR
Your use of Vancouver's public transport system is inspirational.
 

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Seems kind of idiotic as the majority of fuel supply to the GVRD gets delivered via the TMX from refineries in Edmonton.

SR
The Trans Mountain Pipeline transports crude oil, semi-refined and refined products in a series in the same pipeline. This process is known as “batching”. Think of it as a “batch train,” with one product following another product through the pipeline during a specific time period. It’s like a series of rail cars carrying different products moving in a sequence along the 1,150-kilometre pipeline.

Trans Mountain is the only pipeline in North America that carries both refined product and crude oil in batches.

On any given day, the pipeline is used to move different grades or varieties of petroleum. Products moving next to each other in the pipeline can mix. This mixing – or product interface – is minimized by putting the products in a specific sequence.



The products currently shipped in the Trans Mountain pipeline:

Refined petroleum
Gasoline or diesel
Refined

Synthetic crude
Processed bitumen
Semi-refined

Light crude
Conventionally sourced crude oil
Unrefined

Heavy crude
Diluted bitumen
Unrefined

Source:
https://www.transmountain.com/product
 

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The Trans Mountain Pipeline transports crude oil, semi-refined and refined products in a series in the same pipeline. This process is known as “batching”. Think of it as a “batch train,” with one product following another product through the pipeline during a specific time period. It’s like a series of rail cars carrying different products moving in a sequence along the 1,150-kilometre pipeline.

Trans Mountain is the only pipeline in North America that carries both refined product and crude oil in batches.

On any given day, the pipeline is used to move different grades or varieties of petroleum. Products moving next to each other in the pipeline can mix. This mixing – or product interface – is minimized by putting the products in a specific sequence.



The products currently shipped in the Trans Mountain pipeline:

Refined petroleum
Gasoline or diesel
Refined

Synthetic crude
Processed bitumen
Semi-refined

Light crude
Conventionally sourced crude oil
Unrefined

Heavy crude
Diluted bitumen
Unrefined

Source:
https://www.transmountain.com/product
So in the the grand Scheme of things the TMX Pipeline that already exists and has been in operation for 50+ years with the only serious problem being that of a City of Burnaby contractor who fucked up big with an excavator and BROKE the pipeline due to negligence.

All I can say is the resistance is just pure NIMBY....nothing more and nothing less....not counting the voice of the filthy Socialist enviro zealots of course.

SR
 

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So in the the grand Scheme of things the TMX Pipeline that already exists and has been in operation for 50+ years with the only serious problem being that of a City of Burnaby contractor who fucked up big with an excavator and BROKE the pipeline due to negligence.

All I can say is the resistance is just pure NIMBY....nothing more and nothing less....not counting the voice of the filthy Socialist enviro zealots of course.

SR
Recollect in one of your posts that you've seen Vancouver Harbour riding the Sea Bus. You need to lobby for a proper deep water port such as Kitamat with a wider access channel to open ocean.
 
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