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2019 Election thread

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As we all know the federal election will be called shortly, currently there are 2 threads running already that will balloon into 20 when it's called. The Moderation team doesn't have time to monitor that many new threads, we all know how fast those kind of threads can get out of control.

So I'll be locking those 2 thread and all future election posts will go into this thread. There are a few basic rules.

1) All opinions are welcome and strong debate is expected and welcome.

2) Zero tolerance for insulting other members, first insult a week in perbatory, second insult perbatory until after the election.
 

Beasting

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As we all know the federal election will be called shortly, currently there are 2 threads running already that will balloon into 20 when it's called. The Moderation team doesn't have time to monitor that many new threads, we all know how fast those kind of threads can get out of control.

So I'll be locking those 2 thread and all future election posts will go into this thread. There are a few basic rules.

1) All opinions are welcome and strong debate is expected and welcome.

2) Zero tolerance for insulting other members, first insult a week in perbatory, second insult perbatory until after the election.
You should either transfer the poll over or start a new one so we can keep track of the results. And see how close the poll here is to the actual outcome.
 

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The previous poll was basically "who would you vote for if the federal election was today". What would be interesting to me as well is, what result do you expect:

1) majority win for Conservatives
2) majority win for Liberals
3) minority win for Conservatives
4) minority win for Liberals

The current polls would indicate the above 4 possible results are the only ones with any significant probability of actually coming true.

For the any polls that are created, it would be great if we could somehow update our prediction as we get nearer the election.

All the bad press Mad Max's party has been getting recently is very good news for the Conservative party, since this means less Conservative votes will bleed off to "The People's Party of Canada". I do not see very many potential Liberal voters choosing Mad Max since he is in most regards to the right of the Conservatives.

JD

EDIT: This on-line poll does provide a good alternative to poll I suggested above:

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

I'm pleasantey surprised to see that this poll currently gives Liberals almost 3 times the probablilty of getting a majority (40%) as the Conservatives (15%). I guess the average Canadian does not have such a hate-on for Trudeau and the Liberal Party as some of the very vocal punters on this forum lol.
 
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Gardener

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As we all know the federal election will be called shortly, currently there are 2 threads running already that will balloon into 20 when it's called. The Moderation team doesn't have time to monitor that many new threads, we all know how fast those kind of threads can get out of control.

So I'll be locking those 2 thread and all future election posts will go into this thread. There are a few basic rules.

1) All opinions are welcome and strong debate is expected and welcome.

2) Zero tolerance for insulting other members, first insult a week in perbatory, second insult perbatory until after the election.
Thank you for moderating in a proper and respectful manner on these more touchy subjects.
 

MB Mod

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You should either transfer the poll over or start a new one so we can keep track of the results. And see how close the poll here is to the actual outcome.
I did think about that but the poll is closed today anyway and if I transferred both threads over it would take up a lot of space, I imagine this thread is going to get loooooooooong by itself.
 

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Have another look at this poll:

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elec...racker/canada/

Does anyone else find it strange that the probability of the Liberals getting a minority win (21%) is about half the probability that they will get a majority (40%). At first I thought it must be a mistake. Thinking about it a bit more, there is a possibility that it is correct. But I still find it strange.

JD
Why do you find it strange?Canada has had 4 years of bad governance and a national debt that has grown by 20+ billion and a Prime Minister with 2 eithics violations.The same Prime Minister has saddled Canadians with a Carbon Tax out of the blue that he did not champion on the last hustings.He mentioned it once at a meeting at the Calgary Petroleum Club and then promptly shut his cake hole.Newsworthy today Kathrine McKenna (AKA Climate Barbie) back tracked on the cap of $50 a ton on said Carbon Tax after the Parliamentary Budget Officer stated that in order for Canada to meet it's Paris Climate Accord pledge the Carbon Tax would have to be raised to $102 a tonne.At that level the Carbon tax would cost every Canadian a shitload of money to heat their homes.

Back in January my gas/electric bill was $239 and the "carbon levy" portion was $21.42 with the GST tacked on top of that and that was at $20 a tonne for the Carbon Tax.At $50 a tonne the Carbon Tax would be about $50 ish+ a month based on the same bill and at $100 a tonne it would be over $100 for all of the $34 of natural gas I consumed to frivilously heat my home and not freeze to death and with the GST tacked on top of that for an extra $10 or more.That makes my electricity/gas bill go from $239 to $350 a month
and it does nothing to lower CO2 emissions as burning natural gas produces Carbon Monoxide( a colorless odorless gas that causes DEATH) and the Lieberals say they are going to give 90% of that revenue back to Canadians in the form of rebates....utter fucking BULLSHIT.

What produces CO2?Any creature with a pair of lungs does.They consume Oxygen and exude Carbon Dioxide.Plains/trains/automobiles do not produce CO2.
At the same time it does nothing to lower CO2 emissions which really dont need to be lowered as CO2 is the fundamental building block for all plant life on this blue green ball floating in space.

During the warming period of the Middle Ages CO2 levels were at 8000 parts per million and today we are at 420 PPM.

SR
 

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Why do you find it strange?Canada has had 4 years of bad governance and a national debt that has grown by 20+ billion and a Prime Minister with 2 eithics violations.The same Prime Minister has saddled Canadians with a Carbon Tax out of the blue that he did not champion on the last hustings.He mentioned it once at a meeting at the Calgary Petroleum Club and then promptly shut his cake hole.Newsworthy today Kathrine McKenna (AKA Climate Barbie) back tracked on the cap of $50 a ton on said Carbon Tax after the Parliamentary Budget Officer stated that in order for Canada to meet it's Paris Climate Accord pledge the Carbon Tax would have to be raised to $102 a tonne.At that level the Carbon tax would cost every Canadian a shitload of money to heat their homes.

Back in January my gas/electric bill was $239 and the "carbon levy" portion was $21.42 with the GST tacked on top of that and that was at $20 a tonne for the Carbon Tax.At $50 a tonne the Carbon Tax would be about $50 ish+ a month based on the same bill and at $100 a tonne it would be over $100 for all of the $34 of natural gas I consumed to frivilously heat my home and not freeze to death and with the GST tacked on top of that for an extra $10 or more.That makes my electricity/gas bill go from $239 to $350 a month
and it does nothing to lower CO2 emissions as burning natural gas produces Carbon Monoxide( a colorless odorless gas that causes DEATH) and the Lieberals say they are going to give 90% of that revenue back to Canadians in the form of rebates....utter fucking BULLSHIT.

What produces CO2?Any creature with a pair of lungs does.They consume Oxygen and exude Carbon Dioxide.Plains/trains/automobiles do not produce CO2.
At the same time it does nothing to lower CO2 emissions which really dont need to be lowered as CO2 is the fundamental building block for all plant life on this blue green ball floating in space.

During the warming period of the Middle Ages CO2 levels were at 8000 parts per million and today we are at 420 PPM.

SR
You missunderstood my point. What I find strange is that the poll states that it is twice as likely that we get a Liberal majority as a Liberal minority. And your long arguement seems to agree with my point. And I will remind you in your post in the other thread you listed 3 probable outcomes, and a Liberal majority was not one of them.

JD
 

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For anybody interested in historical atmospheric carbon content:



Thanks for posting the correction for any ill-informed posters.

It amazes me that virtually all of the scientists on Earth say one thing, and Rush Limbaugh, Doug Ford and Jason Kenney with their grade 11 educations say the opposite . . .

. . . and who do the right wingers side with?

Limbaugh, Ford and Kenney with their 11th grade educations.
 

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During the warming period of the Middle Ages CO2 levels were at 8000 parts per million and today we are at 420 PPM.

SR
What is your source of this data? And no, Rush Limbaugh, Rebel Media or Fox News don’t count as legit sources.
 

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... I'm pleasantey surprised to see that this poll currently gives Liberals almost 3 times the probablilty of getting a majority (40%) as the Conservatives (15%). I guess the average Canadian does not have such a hate-on for Trudeau and the Liberal Party as some of the very vocal punters on this forum lol.
I dislike Trudeau more fervently than I can remember ever disliking any other politician in my more than half a century of being aware of Canadian politics. I dislike Trudeau even more than I dislike Trump.

And I may well find myself voting for Trudeau anyway, this coming October. Aaaarrrgh!
 

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tax by tonne.
ref: http://https://carbonpositivelife.com/co2-per-litre-of-petrol/

http://https://www.answers.com/Q/What_is_chemical_formula_of_petrol

For Gas/Petrol to make a tonne of CO2 it takes 434.12 L . For the weigh of CO2 my car burns (fill up usually 47 L) times 2.3035 kg of CO2 = 108.3 kg of CO2 per tank of gas. So for my car it takes about nine fills ups to make a tonne of CO2.

The more you drive the more CO2 you produce.... Also look up Natural gas, it produces less kg of CO2 than gas or diesel, but it operates more in winter for heating.

https://www.volker-quaschning.de/datserv/CO2-spez/index_e.php

You see its not a bad idea to have a carbon tax, if you use the money to pay for electric transit in major cities etc which would cut down on gas vehicles. But it will just go into general revenue. Did you know that the orginal gas taxes were to help improve and maintain the roads in Canada...

As for Carbon Monoxide, it is only produced when there is not enough oxygen to complete the burning process. Perfect combustion is when oxygen and the carbon in a hydrocarbon produces CO2 (O2 +HC = CO2 +H2O unbalanced equation).

ideally if we produce hydrogen and burn it; it produces water.... Hydrogen can be made through electricity. Hence solar power, nuclear power or hydro power. The efficiency of fuel cells (burn hydrogen) does not match up to battery powered cars (see Elon Musk theories on this, quite interesting). Electric cars are great, but have a short range and recharge cycles are somewhat long (fast charge batteries now, but how long will they last? after repeated charges..)

Problem with solar and wind is that you need to store the power somehow.. people are working on it....

The thing with the CO2 tax issue is that people will vote with their pocket book in mind, not their future survival.



Meanwhile most people are oblivious to the damage they are causing the environment...
 

storm rider

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For anybody interested in historical atmospheric carbon content:

That cherry picked graph omits both the warming period of the middle ages as well as the mini ice age.Same thing goes for Al Gore's hockey stick graph with regards to CO2 levels.They both omit FACTUAL data.Data that is important and relevent
but ALL of the people feeding at the trough dont want brought to light.It is a proven scientific FACT that is shown by ice cores that the CO2 levels during the warming period of the middle ages that show that CO2 levels were 8000+ PPM.

According to Al Gore both New York and New Orleans should have been under water a decade back but they are not and wont be anytime soon.Climate change is the "Emperors New Clothes"....it is a sham and a wealth transfer from developed Western Society to undeveloped countries....with a pack of charlatans feeding at the trough.At the direction of the United Nations.

Dispute the FACTS I have said....in the middle ages CO2 levels were ate 8000+ PPM and we are now at 420 PPM.....it is hardly a "crisis"....FFS if it had continued perhaps Africa and the Middle East would not be arid desert for the most part.

I see that nobody has any contention/arguement with regards to the cost of my gas bill!Which is a stark reality and if the Trudeau Lieberal government is re-elected that EVERY Canadian gets fucked for.During the month of January for consuming $34 worth of natural gas(which does not produce CO2) at $100 a tonne for a Carbon Tax I and every Canadian will be paying 3 TIMES as much of the cost of natural gas for a Carbon Tax that does nothing to reduce emissions.

I have crunched the numbers and they are accurate....if you want to get fucked by a Lieberal Government that says "90% of all money will be given back via rebates" and you believe it and support the plan I would like to sell you the Lions Gate Bridge....I own it through an inheritance.....way back in the day a relative of mine worked on it as an iron worker and he won the deed to it during a drunken poker game in Stanley Park whilst high on mushrooms.

The planet Earth has been around for BILLIONS of years and it has survived everything.Nuclear testing/floods/earthquakes/forest fires/shifting tectonic plates/ice ages/asteroids/meteors/volcanoes/hurricanes/typhoons/tsunamis/magnetic reversals of the poles/ and the list goes on and on.Mankind has been around for 2000 years and only PARTIALLY industrialized for the last 100 years and suddenly mankind over the last 20 years is a DANGER to the planet?I dont think so.The "planet" takes care of mankind as it chooses with random natural disasters as it feels.An earthquake here,a tidal wave there.Throw in a really nasty forest fire or say a tidal wave that hits a nuclear plant.The planet is doing just fine.The PEOPLE on it are just plain fucked especially those that think/believe that
the planet needs to be "saved".

If you do not agree and you still want to "save" the planet then stop driving your car.Stop using electricity to light your home and charge you phone and power your internet.Stop heating your home.Stop having a freezer to keep your food in.Just pack up ypur shit with a bunch of hand tools and go to Alaska and build yourself a cabin like Dick Proenoke did back in the 1960's and live off the land....he did so to enjoy the rest of his life after a work accident that near robbed him of his eyesight not out of some blind faith
that humanity is going to destroy the planet and that Ivory Tower Intellectuals will TELL Society what is best for us worker bees who pay for EVERYTHING.

Until you do the above you are a HYPOCRITE that is drinking the Socialist Koolaide^.

SR
 

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SR, I honestly looked for supporting evidence for your assertion about 8000 parts per million CO2 during the Little Ice Age - AD1300 to AD1870, and I didn't find.

American Chemical Society: Chemistry for Life:





Atmospheric CO2 levels (blue line) and temperature (red line) from year 1,000 to 1978. Data for CO2 from Vostok ice core, Law Dome ice core, and Mauna Loa:
 
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