$2/litre gas a starting point?
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The price of gas in Kamloops has a direct relation to tax and the property it's sold on.
There are very many large companies moving their headquarters to be managed in Kamloops, due to the availability of land , infrastructure ,labour, and the fact that 4 or 5 major highways meet up there.
Rent or purchase of land ,or brick and mortar is a fraction of Vancouver , and even Calgary.
Telus constructed their main server just inside the city limits for those reasons, and the other fact( believe it or not) that the ground around there, is the most geologically stable, in the province.
There are very many large companies moving their headquarters to be managed in Kamloops, due to the availability of land , infrastructure ,labour, and the fact that 4 or 5 major highways meet up there.
Rent or purchase of land ,or brick and mortar is a fraction of Vancouver , and even Calgary.
Telus constructed their main server just inside the city limits for those reasons, and the other fact( believe it or not) that the ground around there, is the most geologically stable, in the province.
I'm only 10 minutes from US gas, but my time is worth more that sitting.driving down to save a few bucks on gas.
Yes it sucks, but I'm not ready to buy a 100% electric vehicle yet. Maybe a Porsche e Mission when they come out, but Tesla or the other e vehicles don't do any thing for me.
Put in another pipeline from AB to BC and get this damn pissing war over. We already have one, and I am sick of seeing these "protestors" in their plastic ( oil products), kayaks, who had them on top of their gas burning cars, on the news.
Yeah, I know a few tree huggers who live in beat up old vans ( gas guzzlers) who drive around the province, and into the US to protest. Kettle, meet the pot...
If I were worried about the price of gas I would downsize my vehicles, but overall gas is still reasonable cheap in the grand scheme of things
And if all these protesters feel so strong about their cause, shut off your natural gas in your home, shut of the hydro electricity being used in your home, don't buy that cell phone produced with coal in an asian country, get rid of your rubber boot, gortex jackets, and quit vaping with lithium batteries. See how long that will last.
Yes it sucks, but I'm not ready to buy a 100% electric vehicle yet. Maybe a Porsche e Mission when they come out, but Tesla or the other e vehicles don't do any thing for me.
Put in another pipeline from AB to BC and get this damn pissing war over. We already have one, and I am sick of seeing these "protestors" in their plastic ( oil products), kayaks, who had them on top of their gas burning cars, on the news.
Yeah, I know a few tree huggers who live in beat up old vans ( gas guzzlers) who drive around the province, and into the US to protest. Kettle, meet the pot...
If I were worried about the price of gas I would downsize my vehicles, but overall gas is still reasonable cheap in the grand scheme of things
And if all these protesters feel so strong about their cause, shut off your natural gas in your home, shut of the hydro electricity being used in your home, don't buy that cell phone produced with coal in an asian country, get rid of your rubber boot, gortex jackets, and quit vaping with lithium batteries. See how long that will last.
Let's not forget the Kinder Morgan pipeline already spewed about 250,000 litres in Burnaby with 70,000 litres making it into Burrard Inlet and contaminated over a km of coastline. It took them 25 minutes to shut down the line after the breach. They didn't recover all of the spill. That is only 1 of 81 self reported spills on the existing line.
I think where some BC residents are concerned is that KM and the Alberta government keeps saying relax, in case of a spill we'll use best practices to recover the oil and protect your coastline. The problem is best practices haven't worked to contain or cleanup oil spills (ie Exxon Valdez - 10% recovery; Deep Water Horizon - complete failure of containment and recovery). Maybe if the Alberta government guaranteed to pay a fine of a $1000 for every spilled liter of bitumen to compensate BC for ruining our coastline that would gain some confidence.
I think where some BC residents are concerned is that KM and the Alberta government keeps saying relax, in case of a spill we'll use best practices to recover the oil and protect your coastline. The problem is best practices haven't worked to contain or cleanup oil spills (ie Exxon Valdez - 10% recovery; Deep Water Horizon - complete failure of containment and recovery). Maybe if the Alberta government guaranteed to pay a fine of a $1000 for every spilled liter of bitumen to compensate BC for ruining our coastline that would gain some confidence.
It will never come about. Politicians are corrupt but they aren't stupid. They do what they are told.
BC Hydro will be privatized next ... you watch.
Have you any IDEA how long it takes to shut down pumps??? Over that many miles??
25 minutes means they were ON it!!! HARD!!
Ever been to a marina on the coast? That sheen on the water isn't shampoo it's oil. THINK ABOUT THAT.
My point is that the technology sucks, spilling 250,000 litres is totally unacceptable! The breach was in an ideal location and it still caused extensive contamination. What would it have looked like in a less accessible location or if the oil was spilled in the more turbulent Salish Sea? Kinder Morgan tried to avoid taking any responsibility in 2007 and tried to counter sue Burnaby, what makes them a 'good' corporate citizen now? Why risk our coast? And bdan I live on the coast, I know what a marina looks like, that sheen ain't bitumen.
Any company anywhere will throw lawyers at a problem. You make it sound specific. It isn't.
Why risk your coast indeed. You should be on your own, I fully agree. MORE THAN YOU CAN KNOW.
You are correct. It isn't. Bitumen in it's raw form sinks. Oil floats ... and suppresses oxygen
Okay I get your guys points. Problem is that throughout the times I've travelled to Kamloops and further up the province
for the last 30 years the price of gas notoriously has always climbed the further north you got from the lower mainland,
Get to Merritt, 7-10 cents more a litre, get to Kamloops 12-15 cents more a litre.
Once you hit Barrier it sort of stablilized. Then when you got to Williams Lake or further north.
It could climb as much as 20 cents more a liter.
UNTIL NOW!!! So WTF is up with that bullshit. I smell a dirty rotten scoundrel somewhere in the woodwork
and it ain't the deer we're watchin sitting on our porch. A asked a tanker driver I was chatting with at a local gas
station where the gas came from that he was delivering and he told me the Esso refinery in burrard inlet.
He said the other two refineries were down for maintenance and that's why the gas is so expensive.
Also, since he was driving with Westcan which is sourced out of Alberta, (Calgary I believe) he told me straight
up that the gas that comes to Kamloops is trucked from the refineries in Alberta.
I sure as shit hope Notley doesn't hear about that one or she'll go on a tyraid that Kamloops
is getting their gas way cheaper than the lower mainland and exploit it.
Why is it every time things get all fucked up you can point a finger at a politician and know you are
bang on with blaming them.
Maybe we should have school children running our gov't. At least then we know they would have
an excuse for being so immature !!!:tsk::sad::stupid:
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To be honest I do fuel up in the interior......right up to the point I can see it near the nozzle.
It is much cheaper here, but don't you pay extra taxes, in and around Vancouver?
I think the extra taxes get dropped around Abbotsford or Chilliwack....I know that the card lock I use is quite a bit cheaper in Chilliwack than up here.
Your also right about it used to be very expensive here, and the further north you go the more it would climb.
I remember fuelling up in Fort Nelson and paying almost double, and the refinery was right across the street.
although in Hinton and area it is even cheaper....... Kamloops has a fuel storage facility here owned by Suncore. It is a central location. The price of fuel doesn't have anything to do with any of this though, it has to do with the world market altogether...if you really need to argue about this crap you need to be following the stocks of major investors.
Actually SR, You are spreading some fake news. 58% of British Columbians oppose Kinder Morgan and support the BC NDPs approach (opposition is even higher in Quebec at 68% opposing the pipeline). Alberta's support for the pipeline is the out lier in Canada, so by your own definition Albertans are the nutjobs that should give it up.
It is not really related to global markets, it is about local supply and demand. Yesterday, in Vancouver you paid $.878/litre before taxes, in Montreal you paid $.699/litre and in Halifax you paid $.655/litre.
And here we have PERB's premiere SJW Canine Cowboy having finished with the battle of the Cambie Bridge Bike Lane now armor clad and furiously peddling his bicycle up Burnaby Mountain, lance in hand preparing to slay the Impending Dragon of Big Oil once and for all!
The last report I read was that 58% of BC residents supported the pipeline expansion.
With regards to nutjobs BC has the lock on that.Thousands on NIMBY hypocrite protesters with signs made from plastic.A flotilla of plastic kayaks brought in via gas guzzling SUV's to form a blockade of the Kinder Morgan port facility.Ask them why they would not make a kayak out of a tree "A tree is a child of mother earth and to cut it down is akin to murder!!!!!!!!!"
It does not end with oil and trees or the production of hydro electricity(which they all consume) it extends to GMO food like Golden Rice.Golden Rice is regular rice that has been genetically modified,more specifically it is enriched with Beta Carrotine and it prevents blindness in children in 3rd world countries.According to Greenpeace you cant have GMO food as it is an affront to Mother Earth.....a converstion would go like this "via humanitarian effort we have developed clean drinking water that can also be used for agriculture and to further add to the stability of the people and help them and now we want to help them further by cultivating Golden Rice".....the eco nutjob response would be "you cant do that!A genetically modified food is an affront to Gheia the Mother Earth!!!"....the answer back is "Uh yeah this will prevent childhood blindness allowing these people to lead more productive lives not to mention not be BLIND"....the response back "It does not matter if they go BLIND they cant have it as it is an insult to Mother Earth"(the translation to the last is true leftist GREEN ideal which is fuck them for being born in a 3rd world country you cant harm the earth)
Get on the frequency sir.These environmental nutjobs are literally like ZEALOTS.To them it is like a religion and they worship Mother Earth.....yet they are hypocrites at the same time.David Suzuki is a perfect example.A champion of the environment and totally against the use of fossil fuels(yet he heats his mansion that is on the Capilanno yacht club with natural gas and flies on airplanes which spew millions of tons of those evil green house gas emissions to collect his speaking fees) yet he lives maybe 50 feet above the waterline.No fucking way he is worried about sea levels rising otherwise he would not have bought the place.Same as you could not get a mortgage for a home in Point Grey or Kerrisdale or Kitsilanno if the BANKS thought it would be consumed by a rising ocean.People like David Suzuki and the zombies that follow him live the life of "do as I say not as I do".
What is really tragic is how the leftist media in Western Society has brainwashed this cultish BS of Climate Change into the populace via scare mongering and how easy the populace has happily been spoon fed it and accepted it.
The "climate" on this planet has been "changing" for MILLIONS of years.Mankind has been around for a couple of Millenia and only been partially industrialised for the last Century.
SR
Actually, it’s all relative and you need to check your facts pal: I didn’t pay a fuckin thing for fuel yesterday! I stayed indoors. I will add that I use public transit. Thanks anyways. Just because I am a female and sit in my dungeon doesn’t mean I don’t know how the world works, and just maybe in fact, that could just very well be the reason I DO stay in my fucking dungeon. :dance:
SR maybe reread the Angus Reid poll and check your facts. 58% of BCers support Horgan opposing Kinder Morgan (as well as a majority of MB 55%, Que 64%, and Atlantic Canada 55%). 82% of Alb supports Notely supporting Kinder Morgan (as well as Sask 70%, Ont 53%). It seems self interested Alberta is way out of whack, trailed by their oil producing little buddy to the east.
SR the rest of your post reads like a delusional insane rant. Google search Capilano Yacht Club - it doesn't exist.
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