Also, Europe needs Russian oil so they won't touch that with the sanctions. India won't condemn military actions because they buy Russian arms.
Ukraine is now at war with Russia - official and only Ukraine Thread
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As expected. Biden and the world is going full toothless.
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...russia-out-of-swift-unlikely-to-be-in-initial
https://thehill.com/homenews/admini...russia-out-of-swift-unlikely-to-be-in-initial
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Also Putin has warned NATO not to interfer, from what is implied he could go nuclear.
Ya. He couldn't have been much clearer on that.
My guess is the us/allies want to keep options for Russia to back out without losing face (too much). It’s all ego here, they’re dealing with a bratty kid who has dangerous toys (nukes) so I’m 100% guessing the West is hoping that Russia will flex a bit more, take over some land they say is “theirs”, and call it “mission accomplished”.
So what do Republicans think the Us should do instead? Back Putin further into a corner right away? Military action? The hypocrisy of the GOP, whose previous leader acquiesced so blatantly to Putin for four years, continues to make me sick.
I think rather than nuclear, Russia will attack the US through infrastructure related cyber attacks. Power grids, financial systems, there's been a ton of state sponsored hacking going on. He doesn't need to go nuclear to wreak havoc.
Yup this shouldn't happen in 2022 but here we are....hate to imagine if some country uses the nuke option....it would spell the beginning of the end for us :-(
I for one am getting more pooning in.
I figure if the world is going up in a FLASH, I'm going out with a BANG.
I figure if the world is going up in a FLASH, I'm going out with a BANG.
Russian foreign minister just threatened Finland and Sweden with severe military and economic consequences if they join NATO or support NATO in any way.
Russia needs to fuck off and die.
Russia needs to fuck off and die.
hmmm correction, wouldnt it be Puddin and his minions / lackeys? i mean Russia itself im sure has nice people
or maybe im just naive too LOL butthis whole situation does further enforce a re-think on the strategy of integrating aggressive dictatorships into world economics in order to provide leverage... the aggressors simply reverse roles and use those levers against the world economy!
the world could tank Putin and have regime change if they were only willing to sacrifice six months of returns without russian money. they would make up for that with the new regime given the alleviation of repressed buying from russia after the regime change.
the world could tank Putin and have regime change if they were only willing to sacrifice six months of returns without russian money. they would make up for that with the new regime given the alleviation of repressed buying from russia after the regime change.
Elon Musk will solve the problem with his satellites. Giving the Russian people the first hand pictures of the invasion of the Ukraine. Showing the arrests of Russian Civilians who when they heard about the invasion of Ukraine, went to the streets to protest the illegal actions of their own government. In this day and age, it is unacceptable for 1 man to be able to start a war and put the whole world into a nuclear confrontation.
As for China being buddies with the Russians; as soon as the Russians are engaged in a European war, the Chinese will march into Siberia (the northern resource zone) which they have always looked upon with envy.
As for China being buddies with the Russians; as soon as the Russians are engaged in a European war, the Chinese will march into Siberia (the northern resource zone) which they have always looked upon with envy.
Is it just me or the longer this drags on, the more I wonder why sanctions are so important. (Mind you I’m not for going in guns blazing)
But since imposing sanctions didn’t deter Russia from annexing Crimea (rather gave Russia time to be resistant to effects of sanctions). Why keep applying the same tactic of sanctions when Russia full blown attacks all of Ukraine?
Just feels like Ukraine was told we support them. Now that they need help, they have been left on their own. The Ukrainian government has been left to hang in there hoping for help.
I mean there is an official Ukraine government page accepting donations for the war effort (mind you all first time I’m more invested in another country’s war, maybe it’s common) …. I’m left feeling really uncomfortable and sad this is happening.
But since imposing sanctions didn’t deter Russia from annexing Crimea (rather gave Russia time to be resistant to effects of sanctions). Why keep applying the same tactic of sanctions when Russia full blown attacks all of Ukraine?
Just feels like Ukraine was told we support them. Now that they need help, they have been left on their own. The Ukrainian government has been left to hang in there hoping for help.
I mean there is an official Ukraine government page accepting donations for the war effort (mind you all first time I’m more invested in another country’s war, maybe it’s common) …. I’m left feeling really uncomfortable and sad this is happening.
Poke the sleeping bear, it wakes up. Poke it again, it growls. Poke it once too often, it gets up and tears your face off. Is it the bear's fault at that point? Or are you and your pals actually just bear-baiting?
Remember the full history here.
Don't kid yourself that NATO are on the side of the angels in this. Hostility goes both ways. The US (through NATO) have been provoking it, dismissing every Russian objection to NATO's expansion (and other things) for 20 years now - basically from George W. Bush onwards, relations have been getting worse. The Americans keep expecting the Russians to just give up and bow to their wishes, which they never will. Since it concerns their closest slavic kin, the Russians take this personally, and it's not just Putin who feels that way - it's Russia. They do not regard NATO / the USA's stated intentions as innocent or honest (and frankly why would anyone?).
If anyone doubts it, let me relate a comparison that's making the rounds online:
Imagine if China arranged the overthrow the elected government of Mexico, to establish an anti-American government, that would then join a Chinese military alliance and invite Chinese troops to build Chinese bases right next to the USA. Does anyone seriously think the Americans would not invade Mexico to prevent that?
I feel bad for Ukraine. Their country's way worse off than they were 10 years ago, before the Maidan, when the USA pushed them towards NATO membership with an act of regime change.
Putin is a nasty piece of work, a killer - but not a fool. The Russians are not fucking around with what weaponry they are prepared to use. NATO gets involved directly, this can easily result in a much bigger war with multiple other adversaries, perhaps even nuclear war.
This is the most dangerous time in the world since the early 1980's.
Remember the full history here.
Don't kid yourself that NATO are on the side of the angels in this. Hostility goes both ways. The US (through NATO) have been provoking it, dismissing every Russian objection to NATO's expansion (and other things) for 20 years now - basically from George W. Bush onwards, relations have been getting worse. The Americans keep expecting the Russians to just give up and bow to their wishes, which they never will. Since it concerns their closest slavic kin, the Russians take this personally, and it's not just Putin who feels that way - it's Russia. They do not regard NATO / the USA's stated intentions as innocent or honest (and frankly why would anyone?).
If anyone doubts it, let me relate a comparison that's making the rounds online:
Imagine if China arranged the overthrow the elected government of Mexico, to establish an anti-American government, that would then join a Chinese military alliance and invite Chinese troops to build Chinese bases right next to the USA. Does anyone seriously think the Americans would not invade Mexico to prevent that?
I feel bad for Ukraine. Their country's way worse off than they were 10 years ago, before the Maidan, when the USA pushed them towards NATO membership with an act of regime change.
Putin is a nasty piece of work, a killer - but not a fool. The Russians are not fucking around with what weaponry they are prepared to use. NATO gets involved directly, this can easily result in a much bigger war with multiple other adversaries, perhaps even nuclear war.
This is the most dangerous time in the world since the early 1980's.
Yeah, I'm sure Putin knows that history, and that China looks at Russia's territory with covetous eyes. But that is long term, and in the short term they are both adversaries of the USA. The main difference is that during the cold war, China was the junior partner in the Communist world, compared to the USSR. Today, China is the more powerful country of the two; maybe not militarily yet, but economically more powerful than the USSR ever was..
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Volodymyr Zelenskyy....from playing a president on TV to being the president in real life.... Who would have thought he would come up with a line that, if life is fair, and we know it's not, will go down in history.."I need ammunition, not a ride."
I get the feeling that this little venture of Putin's will be a bitter pill to swallow and he'll probably end up choking on it....one can only hope.
I get the feeling that this little venture of Putin's will be a bitter pill to swallow and he'll probably end up choking on it....one can only hope.
this is pretty interesting... a captured Russian tank. piece of junk.
