Future of the World

[storm rider]

I don't think I can take man-made global climate change seriously when the people talkingthe most doom and gloom, and radical measures to address the so-called problem never seem to change their lifestyle.

When David Suzuki, Al Gore and Leonardo diCaprio sell a few of their houses, stop flying in jets all over the world and take public transport, or drive bicycles everywhere I might be more persuaded, but I think a lot of other people see the hypocrisy, and realize obviously they don't take climate change that seriously if they won''t cut back on the damage their elite lifestyle produces.

If David Suzuki and Al Gore did not fly to those speaking engagements and skyped them they would not get their $50,000 speaking fees and they cant have that even though they are both already disgustingly rich.If Leonard DiCaprio did not take a private jet followed by a helicopter ride or if he did not rent 200 foot boat to cruise off the cost of Africa to watch the FIFA Championship he would deprived of his millionaire lifestyle and lord knows that cant happen.

SR

 

[Uncled]

I am a firm believer in science. The majority of reputable scientists believe that the current bout climate change is man-made, so I accept that.

Here is what I do not like. In terms of total worldwide emissions of greenhouse gasses, Canada is responsible for only 2%. Even if by some miracle we could reduce our emissions by half, that would only reduce total worldwide emissions by 1%. That would barely register in terms of it's effect on the rate of climate change.

I question whether it is worth it to subject ourselves to the pain of carbon taxes when it probably will not make a schmick of difference.

China, the USA, and India are responsible for over 50% of worldwide emissions.

 

[storm rider]

I am a firm believer in science. The majority of reputable scientists believe that the current bout climate change is man-made, so I accept that.

Here is what I do not like. In terms of total worldwide emissions of greenhouse gasses, Canada is responsible for only 2%. Even if by some miracle we could reduce our emissions by half, that would only reduce total worldwide emissions by 1%. That would barely register in terms of it's effect on the rate of climate change.

I question whether it is worth it to subject ourselves to the pain of carbon taxes when it probably will not make a schmick of difference.

China, the USA, and India are responsible for over 50% of worldwide emissions.

At the same time Canada's northern boreal forest cleans up 50% of the worlds CO2 emissions and both China and India as developing countries are allowed under the Paris Climate Accord to continue increasing CO2 emissions until 2030 after which they supposedly have to cut emissions.....though all agreements under the Paris Accord are not legally binding so both China and India can say "suck my dick come 2030" and not be held to account.

Here in Canada we tax payers who have no choice get saddled with a carbon tax that does nothing other than cost us on all fronts from gasoline/natutral gas/electricity/food/clothing/furniture ete etc and with the GST tacked right on top of it for even more punishment and it will do NOTHING.Say it is -30 in Alberta in December I have the choice of paying the bill or freezing to death.All goods bought/sold will have the Carbon Tax built in cost wise so say hi to paying $4 for an avocado or $8 for a cauliflower so on and so forth.Population of Canada is 36 million.Population of China is well over a BILLION same for India.....yet Canadians get slapped with a carbon tax whilst Canada produces the least CO2 Globally and does the most to mitigate CO2 due to responsible logging practices in our lumber industry.

At the same time the IPCC keeps moving the goalpost and the pigs at the trough such as Climatologists(who invented their own jobs) keep collecting Government money even though the supposed "science" was settled....if the science is "settled" why on earth are these people still milking themselves from the public teet?

I would love to see the stammering dodging answer/rhetoric from Trudeau if someone got to ask him if he forms government IF his government would "meet Canada's Paris Accord commitments by purchasing Carbon Credits from other countries"

Between the SNC Lavalin scandal and now the Brown face scandal Trudeau has lost all credibility.He is not a "woke" feminest after firing Jody Wilson-Reybould because she would not play ball and give a Lieberal party donor a slap on the wrist.Nor can he say he is "inclusive" as he so liked to call himself.Over the past 4 years he has lead a government of total failure whilst living a life of entitlement on the tax payer dime.

I have said it before and I will say it again.....does ANYONE wish to DISPUTE me on Trudeau's governance for the last 4 years?

SR

 

[80watts]

Thermodynamics of Hell. (pls search online for complete joke)
Its premise states that if you don't believe in my religion that you are going to hell. With so many different religions out there; the majority of people will be going to hell.....

The people called Cathars in europe during the 12 and 14 centuries believed the earth itself was hell and you had to live a pretty good life to get out of it... So hell is actually on earth.... The Catholic church crushed it like a bug....

Climate change is happening (at a rate that is too fast); increased by our (human being's) use of ozone destroying gases and creation of greenhouse gases. All the evidence points that the major factor is CO2 gas produced by humans through wood burning, (drastic increase the population in last 200 years) and the industrial revolution which burnt coal for the past 200 years, and for the last 80-90 years diesel and gas.

In the 60s, 70, 80s California had a big smog problems caused by CO and CO2 (they still have smog today). They had emission controls made into the cars.... The last Chinese Olympics industries near Shanghai were shut down in order not to have smog during the games. On a hot windless day in the lower mainland smog builds up, its fucking disgusting (not to mention the health problems with breathing...).

A refrigerator in a closed room will heat the room up because the fridge system gives off heat into the room. The room will continue to heat up until the fridge is turned off or the door is opened.

So the earth has a big atmosphere.... soon we humans will fill up that room with CO2 and smog...... since we cant open the door, we have to shut off the refrigerator.... That means getting off fossil fuels that produce CO2.

The big oil companies are so into oil, they bought out all transport systems (electric trams and buses) in the 1930s. GM had an electric car in the 1990s--it got cancelled, and nobody knows why? Electric cars on in the market now (last 10 years or so), but the infrastructure of roads and highways don't support electric cars.

Canada has about 300 years left in the oil sands, that does not account for oil to be found in the Arctic or off the Queen Charlottes or Newfoundland.

Climate change is like Cancer Research.... if you solve it, the money won't come in anymore..... For a lot of things its how things are done.....

Till someone finds a photo of your dressed in black face from 20 years ago. Only with the advent of social media do most people today find that blackface is racist and that is because of social media.... 20 years ago people didn't know shit. Thought #1... Its really funny to watch new Canadians from outside Canada and its western culture when asked about the blackface are confused about the question, most likely because they don't see it as racism, untill they are told its racism...... So thought 2 on this is ... if you really are racist againts blacks, why would you put on black makeup to look like an Black Person. That just doesn't compute for me. The KKK wears those white hats....not black hats.....

As for Trudeau's governance its been ok, no more nor no less than any other PM Canada has had. Given the lack of tax money he needs to find new taxes and spend money in the right places for infrastructure etc. The thing that most men hate about Trudeau is his good looks, and that women like him.
His salary is 348,000.000 much less than most fortune 500 companies CEOs and he runs a whole country of 36 Million people.

 

[licks2nite]

Technology, like natural selection, has no goal.

When it comes to the impact of automation (robots, AI, etc.) on jobs, there are two schools of thought:

One holds that technology has always created more and better jobs than it destroys, and this will continue to be the case.

The other holds that the current wave of automation will destroy far more jobs than it creates, but the solution is to tax the robots and use these revenues to distribute the wealth to everyone who no longer has a livelihood.

Consider this first-hand account from a reader on Facebook (used with permission):

"With almost 40 years in the pipeline business I have seen detecting and locating leaks in pipelines go from 6-8 men, 2-3 trucks, maybe an airplane and take days. With three pieces of equipment (Laser methane detector and a Optical Gas Imaging camera), $300 drone and a 4 X 4 pickup, one person can cover in a few hours what could take days to weeks to find years ago.

The work I do has displaced at least 6 if not more workers plus the capital cost of the equipment. The total cost of all my equipment is less than $200K and labor cost of less than $2K.

A 'Smart Pig' can detect, measure and locate a corrosion indication within mm's. The fixed cost of the equipment is high but the incremental cost per use is low. Manpower and equipment has gone from 12 workers to 4-5 depending on size. The information found can prevent loss resulting in environmental damage and economic loss to the pipeline owner.

As for training students to code/program: many of these tasks are being automated as well.

Even as we wring our hands over the potential for individually-targeted advertising to sway elections, we also have to ask: why should any advertiser pay marketing firms to distribute bulk emails and mailers, buy TV/radio/print adverts, etc. when an essentially automated technology can craft a data-driven micro-targeted pitch to individuals?

The jobs that are being created are low-pay, contingent, insecure service jobs that cannot support a middle-class life or accumulation of capital.

If we look at the gig economy that's arisen to staff on-demand services (Uber, Lyft, GrubHub, etc.), we find low earnings, no benefits and the costs and risks of auto ownership being offloaded from the corporation to individual owners.

These jobs may be "new" (although they look very similar to "old" jobs such as delivering milk) due to the interface of smartphone technology, they lack the security and compensation needed to afford a middle class lifestyle in most U.S. urban areas. In other words, they are not replacing jobs lost with equivalent jobs.

As I've discussed in my books, there's another crisis of work that UBI [Universial Basic Income] doesn't solve: the majority of people want and need the purpose, meaning and structure of a job--a positive social role, a way to gain self-respect, an avenue of control of one's life, a source of dignity and a means of getting ahead.

Complete article:
Automation And The Crisis Of Work
Sat, 09/21/2019
Authored by Charles Hugh Smith via OfTwoMinds blog
https://oftwominds.com/blog.html

 

[storm rider]

As for Trudeau's governance its been ok, no more nor no less than any other PM Canada has had. Given the lack of tax money he needs to find new taxes and spend money in the right places for infrastructure etc. The thing that most men hate about Trudeau is his good looks, and that women like him.
His salary is 348,000.000 much less than most fortune 500 companies CEOs and he runs a whole country of 36 Million people.

#1 The trip to the private island of the Aga Khan
#2 The costume fantasy family vacation to India
#3 The 10.5 MILLION payout to Omar Kadr
#4 The SNC Lavavlin Scandal
#5 The resignations of Gerald Butts and Micheal Wernick over the SNC Scandal though Butts is now back on the team and writing the script again for Trudeau.
#6 The utter failure of the renegotiation of NAFTA
#7 The incompetent handling of the China file...good job Chrystia....thats what you get when you make a female ex journalist as Minister of Foreign Affairs.
#8 The public pillory of Marc Norman and just as it was going to go to court after the Trudeau Government thought they starved him out all charges are dropped and he gets compensation provided he signs a non disclosure agreement.
#9 The refusal to release all people involved in the SNC Lavalin affair from Cabinet Confidentiality and allow the RCMP to actually investigate it.
#10 The only Prime Minister in Canadian history with 2 ETHICS violations.

DISPUTE those FACTS!!!!!......I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO DO SO.

SR

 

[kinky_guy]

#1 The trip to the private island of the Aga Khan
#2 The costume fantasy family vacation to India
#3 The 10.5 MILLION payout to Omar Kadr
#4 The SNC Lavavlin Scandal
#5 The resignations of Gerald Butts and Micheal Wernick over the SNC Scandal though Butts is now back on the team and writing the script again for Trudeau.
#6 The utter failure of the renegotiation of NAFTA
#7 The incompetent handling of the China file...good job Chrystia....thats what you get when you make a female ex journalist as Minister of Foreign Affairs.
#8 The public pillory of Marc Norman and just as it was going to go to court after the Trudeau Government thought they starved him out all charges are dropped and he gets compensation provided he signs a non disclosure agreement.
#9 The refusal to release all people involved in the SNC Lavalin affair from Cabinet Confidentiality and allow the RCMP to actually investigate it.
#10 The only Prime Minister in Canadian history with 2 ETHICS violations.

DISPUTE those FACTS!!!!!......I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO DO SO.

SR

Well let's start with an easy one.

Omar Khadr was given money because the Harper government was complicit in his torture. In case you didn't know this is illegal. And because I know you can't differentiate between the explanation of a concept and the support of one, I'll say , I am not happy about this but I understand WHY this was done. The government would have gone to court and lost because they violated his civil rights. Whether he is guilty of what he has accused of or not is irrelevant. Before you but he's a terrorist; think very long and hard about the possible consequences of allowing the government to outsource torture of people it doesn't like.

 

[Cock Throppled]

Well let's start with an easy one.

Omar Khadr was given money because the Harper government was complicit in his torture. In case you didn't know this is illegal. And because I know you can't differentiate between the explanation of a concept and the support of one, I'll say , I am not happy about this but I understand WHY this was done. The government would have gone to court and lost because they violated his civil rights. Whether he is guilty of what he has accused of or not is irrelevant. Before you but he's a terrorist; think very long and hard about the possible consequences of allowing the government to outsource torture of people it doesn't like.

You meant to say, "Let's start with the only one out of ten I can dispute."

 

[froggyfroggy]

To me the issue is that the OP posted false statements. The question is why? It would have taken 15 seconds to verify David Suzuki's academic credentials but the OP chose not to bother.

That’s exactly the point I’m trying to make. People who deny reality (scientific facts about climate change) don’t see their statements as false. If anything, it’s you who make false statements. People in echo chambers don’t see reality.

I personally couldn’t care less about David Suzuki or DiCaprio or Gore etc. They are hypocrites, clearly. But their hypocrisy has no bearing on the scientific data.

But one wonders why the “science” espoused by selfish idiots like Patrick Moore is somehow legitimate, yet actual scientific information is deemed false.

One thing is for sure, no one will address your claims of Suzuki’s actual credentials. No one will admit they were in fact wrong.

As a species, we’re stupid and selfish and “the future of the world” will give us what we deserve, regardless of our delusional political squabbles, which are clearly a meaningless distraction.

 

[80watts]

Storm Rider Trudeau is a politician......

Will he go to jail? Will he loose his pension? The answer is NO! Its all about politics......he said, she said, they said.... The outcome is always the next election..

If Singh took off his religious hat and shaved his beard; he would be the most charismatic of all the party leaders....

People are going to make different choices.... Trudeau is no different.....

People have seen the right wing politics (republican) of the US, the conservatives share those same values as those republicans. If your Catholic then you have no option but to be pro-life.

 

[storm rider]

Well let's start with an easy one.

Omar Khadr was given money because the Harper government was complicit in his torture. In case you didn't know this is illegal. And because I know you can't differentiate between the explanation of a concept and the support of one, I'll say , I am not happy about this but I understand WHY this was done. The government would have gone to court and lost because they violated his civil rights. Whether he is guilty of what he has accused of or not is irrelevant. Before you but he's a terrorist; think very long and hard about the possible consequences of allowing the government to outsource torture of people it doesn't like.

OK this is your "low hanging fruit" I guess....the easiest option for you.Right off the bat Omar Kadr was never tortured.He was never water boarded nor did he have his nutsack hooked up to a car battery.He was treated to "sleep deprivation" and I myself have experienced worse when I got to listen to a seriously LOUD snorer when I was going to college full time and also working a nearly full time job at the same time.Omar Kadr had "Canadian Citizenship" because his father had it.Dont recall that he ever lived in Canada.He leaned on that as a crutch.The Harper government basically said to the USA "you captured him after he killed one of your service members so you deal with him"...one of the dead medic's comrades should have just shot him in the head.

Instead the muslim loving Trudeau government gave him 10.5 million of tax payer money that to them was like flushing it down the toilet as they have no regard to tax payers.....we are just an ever increasing pool of money to them.

SR

 

[kinky_guy]

OK this is your "low hanging fruit" I guess....the easiest option for you.Right off the bat Omar Kadr was never tortured.He was never water boarded nor did he have his nutsack hooked up to a car battery.He was treated to "sleep deprivation" and I myself have experienced worse when I got to listen to a seriously LOUD snorer when I was going to college full time and also working a nearly full time job at the same time.Omar Kadr had "Canadian Citizenship" because his father had it.Dont recall that he ever lived in Canada.He leaned on that as a crutch.The Harper government basically said to the USA "you captured him after he killed one of your service members so you deal with him"...one of the dead medic's comrades should have just shot him in the head.

Instead the muslim loving Trudeau government gave him 10.5 million of tax payer money that to them was like flushing it down the toilet as they have no regard to tax payers.....we are just an ever increasing pool of money to them.

SR

It's low hanging fruit because you have no idea what you are talking about.

he point is this is not political decision. It was made on sound legal principles. If the government hadn't given Omar Khadr 10.5 million we would have wasted more money being sued and losing in court. The US changed their laws to allow for ,"enhanced interrogation ". Whether he lived in Canada or not is irrelevant. Just like your claims about David Suzuki, I don't care about Justin Trudeau, I care about the facts.

 

[kinky_guy]

#1 The trip to the private island of the Aga Khan
#2 The costume fantasy family vacation to India
#3 The 10.5 MILLION payout to Omar Kadr
#4 The SNC Lavavlin Scandal
#5 The resignations of Gerald Butts and Micheal Wernick over the SNC Scandal though Butts is now back on the team and writing the script again for Trudeau.
#6 The utter failure of the renegotiation of NAFTA
#7 The incompetent handling of the China file...good job Chrystia....thats what you get when you make a female ex journalist as Minister of Foreign Affairs.
#8 The public pillory of Marc Norman and just as it was going to go to court after the Trudeau Government thought they starved him out all charges are dropped and he gets compensation provided he signs a non disclosure agreement.
#9 The refusal to release all people involved in the SNC Lavalin affair from Cabinet Confidentiality and allow the RCMP to actually investigate it.
#10 The only Prime Minister in Canadian history with 2 ETHICS violations.

DISPUTE those FACTS!!!!!......I TRIPLE DOG DARE YOU TO DO SO.

SR

I don't disagree with some of your points. I am most puzzled about the NAFTA and China comments.

China - should the government not have honoured its treaty with the US? What should Canada be doing?


NAFTA- what in your opinion would have been the satisfactory outcome of the negotiations?

 

[storm rider]

It's low hanging fruit because you have no idea what you are talking about.

he point is this is not political decision. It was made on sound legal principles. If the government hadn't given Omar Khadr 10.5 million we would have wasted more money being sued and losing in court. The US changed their laws to allow for ,"enhanced interrogation ". Whether he lived in Canada or not is irrelevant. Just like your claims about David Suzuki, I don't care about Justin Trudeau, I care about the facts.

Oh so you care about the FACTS.The FACTS are that Omar Kadr was raised and LIVED in Syria.He was raised and bred to hate ALL western ideologies that were against his Jihadist Islamist beliefs....he was recorded and had videos shown on youtube on making IED's used to to kill INFIDELS.He lobbed a grenade at a MEDIC whose purpose on the field of battle is to administer/give aid to ALL wounded on the battlefield and who sports a BIG red CROSS who would have GIVEN aid to Omar Kadr but did not get the chance to do so as Omar Kadr blew him to bits.Omar Kadr CLAIMED Canadian citizenship as a way to save his ass and along the way enriched himself by the means of a Lieberal government that thinks nothing about it.Comes down to brass tacks.....some guy lost the balls to shoot that jihadi POS in the forehead as he deserved.

He got wakened each night whilst in custody in Gitmo.....he was not waterboarded or tortured....life was just uncomfortable....he still got 3 hot meals a day which is a fuck of a lot MORE than Canadian Veterans get....and then the fucking scumbag MURDERING TERRORIST gets 10.5 MILLION from tax payers thanks to Trudeau whilst our veterans get fuck all because "Canada cant afford it right now"......per Justin Trudeau....look it up!A town hall in Edmonton....same one when Trudeau mansplains to the gal with the utter bullshit nonsensical does not exist in the dictionary word of "peoplekind".

If you are all for that then the very mention of the Sponsorship Administration Scandal means jack shit to you.....you will vote Lieberal and believe the bullshit to the end of your life and to you Trudeau is the messiah.

SR

 

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