Climate changers should read this and understand what we get from oil and gas
https://www.secondstreet.org/2019/09/18/keep-oil-in-the-ground/
https://www.secondstreet.org/2019/09/18/keep-oil-in-the-ground/
Facts on the need for oil and gas
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No question oil and gas has many uses in society that can’t be substituted yet. That said, if we want to attack climate change the most common sense first step is to rid ourselves of thermal coal used in power generation. We have so many viable substitutes for electrical generation from other sources that we simply don’t need it anymore. This trend has started already with the closure of many plants, but it needs to accelerate.
It will be difficult to burn that oil and gas when we're underwater
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So many viable substitutes? Such as solar when the sun doesn’t shine. Wind turbines when the wind doesn’t blow. Those are real viable alright.
Ever heard of base load nuclear, hydro, natural gas turbine??? I suggest you read up on the topic rather than parroting the anti renewable talking points coming out of Fox News. Seriously!!
yes, but the problem is the nutters like Greta, May, our climate Barbie, ect....
they are also against Nuclear, even though it's no where near 3 mile Island, Chernobyl anymore, it has advanced, the technology, the media won't advance that side of the story and people are too stupid to listen
look at the knee jerk reaction in Germany after Japan's situation, they're still on coal to a significant degree
the virtue signalers also don't want natural gas either, that's carbon after all
and most of the developing world can't afford or don't have access to what you mention, so they use coal, because it's cheap
Canada already has mostly Hydro, we still can't meet our emission targets
we've dammed up pretty all rivers we can, like that doesn't have consequences
where you going to get the electricity needed to replace the millions of cars that are going to be electric?
for just 36 million?
not to mention the planes/helicopters, or are you going to spit on those forest fires?
not to mention the trains, transport trucks, heavy equipment?
where are the substitutes for them?
viable, real functioning substitutes?
look at where most of the energy in the WORLD is coming from, it's carbon based, last stat I saw it was still above 80%
SCALE, VIABLE, SCALE
for 7 Billion
substitutes don't exist for that
for Justin, Greta, May, Gore, sure
for everyone, no
It doesn't matter if the wind isn't blowing or the sun isn't shining because North America is on a grid and there's wind, sunshine and water flowing over dams somewhere.
Renewable energy is in many forms, and all of them make a lot more sense than burning coal.
solar and wind power rely on batteries
solar panels have to be replace every 20 to 25 years
batteries have to be replaced every 15 years but start to loose there ability after 5 years
wind power, the pillons are starting to bring heavy metal up to the water table an polluting it
Wind power you need to read the contracts, some of these contracts have big surprises in them which makes not efficient
nuclear has problems with waste storage
it will be quite awhile before we have viable clean energy
solar panels have to be replace every 20 to 25 years
batteries have to be replaced every 15 years but start to loose there ability after 5 years
wind power, the pillons are starting to bring heavy metal up to the water table an polluting it
Wind power you need to read the contracts, some of these contracts have big surprises in them which makes not efficient
nuclear has problems with waste storage
it will be quite awhile before we have viable clean energy
There are two currently under construction in the US that will generate 2300 MW of base load power. The US is the largest generator of nuclear power in the world.
Sun doesn't shine at night when usage is the lowest, but wind keeps blowing and water keeps flowing over dams.
This is almost the year 2020. I have a tiny computer in my pocket that I can watch TV on in the middle of nowhere. Do you really think we still have to burn dead dinosaurs to run our dishwashers?
If there is water flowing over dams then that’s a serious problem. The generally accepted origin of hydrocarbons is small marine organisms. Dead dinosaurs have nothing to do with it.
Nuclear is the viable alternative for the near future to make up electricity for the electric grid, till solar and wind can come online and be stored. Its the problem of storage of electricity that is the problem for solar and wind.
See on Netflix "Bill Gates Brain", 3 part documentary that talks about Mr. Gates, how he has put time/money into research for new nuclear reactors and other technology. I have seen YouTube videos talking about new batteries for electrical storage (one was at MIT, where again Mr. Gates was interested in investing in).
Oil is burned directly by the transportation industry boats, ships, Semi-trucks, cars, truck which produces CO2. Again in Canada there are coal plants (or nuclear is used) where hydro-electric power is not available.
The transportation industry need to go all electric... yes that means electric cars and inner city transports that run off electric, not gas or diesel.
Rail can be done by electricity.
Personal transport by electric trains etc. The infrastructure needs to invested in. Maybe an investment scheme of crowdfunding where you pass your investments onto your grandkids grandkids.... long term
Land will have to be confiscated at current market vale for transport routes. Yup that will start some screaming....
People out of jobs like trucking get put to work on new infrastructure.
The federal and provincial and local governments all have to earn their pay in organizing new transportation routes.
Our society had to change from money hungry idiots to people that put others first (care for other people), just like here on PERB where we can see how much we like each other by telling people to F off.....
The coal can be used to produce plastics etc.
Micro plastics in water to be filtered. Ocean going ships to harvest the plastic floating in large islands off large rivers etc.
See on Netflix "Bill Gates Brain", 3 part documentary that talks about Mr. Gates, how he has put time/money into research for new nuclear reactors and other technology. I have seen YouTube videos talking about new batteries for electrical storage (one was at MIT, where again Mr. Gates was interested in investing in).
Oil is burned directly by the transportation industry boats, ships, Semi-trucks, cars, truck which produces CO2. Again in Canada there are coal plants (or nuclear is used) where hydro-electric power is not available.
The transportation industry need to go all electric... yes that means electric cars and inner city transports that run off electric, not gas or diesel.
Rail can be done by electricity.
Personal transport by electric trains etc. The infrastructure needs to invested in. Maybe an investment scheme of crowdfunding where you pass your investments onto your grandkids grandkids.... long term
Land will have to be confiscated at current market vale for transport routes. Yup that will start some screaming....
People out of jobs like trucking get put to work on new infrastructure.
The federal and provincial and local governments all have to earn their pay in organizing new transportation routes.
Our society had to change from money hungry idiots to people that put others first (care for other people), just like here on PERB where we can see how much we like each other by telling people to F off.....
The coal can be used to produce plastics etc.
Micro plastics in water to be filtered. Ocean going ships to harvest the plastic floating in large islands off large rivers etc.
