Generic List of providers who accept the donation after the session

[dunnochit]

Yes the point was to get a list of those who provided service for payment afterwards. What a scary list and you should be ashamed of yourself for even cosidering such a list. The safety of anyone on such a list would most certainly be in jeopardy. Thus it became an argument. An argument between those with common sense and those who ask for a list of providers who accept payment afterwards.
Culture is the point of the thread because you made it a cultural point. Race is all you seem to discuss throughout your threads.
And no I do not consider most of the woman who work in AMP's to be service providers. I consider these woman to be exploited, overworked, and underpaid. JMHO
I prefer a nice long walk, as opposed to a sprint. With a good SP the journey is as magical as the destination. At an AMP it is not a journey, but a short sprint to an abrubt ending.
Whatever argument you have for your actions, keep it to yourself. It was, and is, a dumb thread, your data is flawed, because your test group consisted of a group of one, you, the consensus is you are wrong and you really should have known better.
JMHO
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What "argument" are you refering to? The point was to get a list of those who offer a certain payment method, as per the original title before it was changed by the mod, namely "List providers who accept the donation after the session". This has been done in several of the responses.

As for your comment, what are you trying to say? That AMP sex workers are FOB's and not SP's?

Culture is not the point of this thread. Payment after a session is not limited to Asians here in Vancouver. I have proven this with very little effort by simply talking to SP's of various kinds. Their spidey sense/women's intuition did not disappoint them when they agreed to keep me company.

 

[lenny]

Yes the point was to get a list of those who provided service for payment afterwards. What a scary list and you should be ashamed of yourself for even cosidering such a list. The safety of anyone on such a list would most certainly be in jeopardy. Thus it became an argument.

Is this a joke? Payment after puts the ladies personal safety at risk? I'd love to hear the convoluted logic behind that claim. Tell that to the entire SW industry in Thailand. BTW, in case you haven't heard, it is prostitutes we are talking about. They are all in grave danger every day of their working lives. So to take your argument to its reasonable conclusion, you should be advocating that every one of them quit the profession. For their own personal safety. How they are paid will not effect that in the least.

 

[BcMod]

Just a note. I do not want to see this thread turn into an attempt to pressure ladies into changing their habits, whether that is taking money afterwards or taking money up front. I would love to voice my opinion on this matter, but as a Mod I do not feel I can do so. If this turns into some sort of subtle coercion thread it will be shut down.

 

[lenny]

excluding the guys who make it a "deal breaker" of course, using it as some sort of blackmail weapon.

Somehow i don't think that blackmail charge would hold up in court. LOL. Should i feel guilty as charged ; I wonder if the entire business industry that offers postpayment feels like they were blackmailed into their position. Does postpayment work successfully? Checkout the entire Thailand SW industry. Or many MPs in our own country of Canada.

The last ripoff story I heard was from an sp who had seen the guy regularly (more than 6 times) and he booked an overnighter. He decided to leave after 3 hours, instead, and while she had decided to get paid after, not before, is when she realized he hadn't even brought enough for the 3 hours, let alone the planned overnight rate. So what is it? Become a regular, and then rip her off once she starts agreeing to pay after the session?

No doubt this happens. It's interesting how many ladies, it seems, are willing to trust a regular,
but not a first timer. I expect when they'd consider a regular a regular would vary from one visit
to many times, depending on the SP and the client. Some escorts would have more confidence
in their spidey sense, screening procedures, backup {if they have any}, and women's intuition
than others have.

It's also noteworthy that there are ladies who have gone the postpayment route, but once they
were burned they changed their methods. Maybe it would be profitable for some to look into how
they can screen customers better or whatever is needed so this rarely if ever happens.

After all, if a lady has the "backup" you referred to, why should she worry about nonpayment?
But if she doesn't have that backup, forget about the relatively worthless paper she might lose,
her personal health and life are in serious peril. That must be worth more than 200 loonies.
Every working day she is playing a very dangerous game like Russian Roulette. Having one's
priorities in order would suggest that is the only real danger here; the loaded gun she is
constantly aiming at her own head.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Somehow i don't think that blackmail charge would hold up in court. LOL. Should i feel guilty as charged ; I wonder if the entire business industry that offers postpayment feels like they were blackmailed into their position. Does postpayment work successfully? Checkout the entire Thailand SW industry. Or many MPs in our own country of Canada.





No doubt this happens. It's interesting how many ladies, it seems, are willing to trust a regular,
but not a first timer. I expect when they'd consider a regular a regular would vary from one visit
to many times, depending on the SP and the client. Some escorts would have more confidence
in their spidey sense, screening procedures, backup {if they have any}, and women's intuition
than others have.

It's also noteworthy that there are ladies who have gone the postpayment route, but once they
were burned they changed their methods. Maybe it would be profitable for some to look into how
they can screen customers better or whatever is needed so this rarely if ever happens.

After all, if a lady has the "backup" you referred to, why should she worry about nonpayment?
But if she doesn't have that backup, forget about the relatively worthless paper she might lose,
her personal health and life are in serious peril. That must be worth more than 200 loonies.
Every working day she is playing a very dangerous game like Russian Roulette. Having one's
priorities in order would suggest that is the only real danger here; the loaded gun she is
constantly aiming at her own head.

Then why do you insist on making her life even more difficult than you say it is? How does screening assist the sp, considering so many (yourself included probably) don't even use a real phone#? And how, after 5 or 6 visits with no problem, is she to assume that this guy is still un-screened? Or that her 'spidey" senses aren't working right?

Your logic is flawed, and still useless as long as you continue to try to apply Thailand customs to Canada.

And yes, I would assume that any sp who has to insist on payment first has been ripped off. Why would that surprise you? The reason for prepayment is because the services are known, and because there is not going to be a change depending on what happens during the session. So her rate is 300, it won't suddenly become 200 after the fact, so what is the real problem you have with prepaying. And the only logical conclusion anyone would have is that you do not intend to pay in full, or you intend to overextend the agreed upon time so that you can be "short" the necessary amount and so get something for free. Because for some manipulative individuals, "getting away with something" is the point.

Actually, I disagree with anyone who says you should change your ways. For the most part, sps should be able to avoid seeing you, and your pay after requirement is a great way they have for screening you away from them. I would think their spidey senses would be on full alert with anyone who demands they change their personal payment policy in order to have an appt with you. This is the demand of a very aggressive and potentially dangerous person, because who knows what other demands he is going to have on them, that pushes their limits and rules?

So go ahead. Keep it as your requirement. You will be saving a lot of women a lot of grief and anxiety.

 

[lenny]

If I don't know an SP the first thing I want to do is put her at ease. Giving her her donation does that.

Again, I don't have a problem doing that with those who are well reviewed and known to be reliable. (I have seen a number of those and paid upfront as per their requests within seconds of meeting them. About half of the time the sessions were good and the other half were average at best, a WOT and not worth a repeat at the worst. So even doing one's homework is no guarantee of success.} But the problem is with those who are unproven, since then it may be me that is not "at ease" and at risk of being ripped off in various ways {e.g. outright cash and dash, premeditated willfull piss poor attitude in order to get me to boot her after she has the cash, premeditated incredibly lousy performance to the same end, or just naturally lousy service and personality}. But if i only did this once in a while, rather than on an almost daily or every second day basis, then i have the money to burn and wouldn't worry about it. I'm sure i'd hit at least 25% honest good SP's and 5% that i'd consider as repeats, regulars/keepers; one's suited to my specific needs.

The one thing many pooners forget is that the best sessions involve chemistry and creating chemistry is a two way street.

Perhaps so. Although i'm not sure how much "chemistry" is needed for a purely 3 hour BBBJ session.
If it's 3 hours of making out & making love, that might be different. It might require chemistry or just good acting and self-discipline by the SP.

That often means a good or bad time isn't always the fault of an SP, a guy has to do his part too to ensure you both have a good time, because as far as I'm concerned that's the objective.

I think one of the biggest way clients are at fault is by failing to communicate
to the lady what they want.

I've even gone so far as to remind a regular to take her money before she left as I had it out on a coffee table and she was almost out the door without it.

IMO that payment method {leaving it on a table} is almost the same as postpayment. Too easy for the guy to do a cash and dash during or after the session. What's she going to do without backup? Call LE? ;

 

[mistressfreyja]

You go, girl! LMAO. Sorry to hear about the futile scolding. It did make me giggle though. I totally got the mental pic of you scolding him at your door.

I agree with what the Ladies have written, thus far. I relax once donation is taken care of. If this thread has proven anything, I'm going to be even more vigilant that the transaction is done upfront. You might be able to pay me after, but I can't get back my time, energy, body usage, traffic to my place, supplies, etc.

Maybe true for most SPs, though I'm not afraid of taking a stupidly disrespectful man down. My door is locked in a way that is not that easy to run out of. Most certainly I would do some good serious damage!
I love being smart and strong and unafraid to exert my power. I have nice sharp nails too!

The one time I had someone show up without funds, I had already kissed him at the door. He looked a little sheepish and worried. I asked for the donation.. in his broken English he told me he didn't have any money. I scolded him for a good solid 5 minutes. He looked like a little boy who was caught red handed. I thought maybe he heard what I said and understood this was not how a good adult conducts himself.

Sadly, my scolding was of no use... the idiot called me again and tried to book another appointment the next day.

 

[mistressfreyja]

I'm thinking he liked getting scolded!

Another to the dark side....mwah ha ha!

Hoping for another free kiss?

You're great Nina.

 

[dunnochit]

You really do not get it. Posting a list of SP's that accept payment afterwards will bring out all the predators that will use that list to take advantage of an SP's services without paying. It opens up the opportunity for a whole slew of excuses for not paying the agreed upon price, or negotiating a discount after the fact. It was not good enough, you aren't pretty enough, your body was not as good as I thought, the blowjob was subpar, only one shot and on and on. What ever happened to caveat emptor. I think you are simply looking for an excuse not to pay if the SP does not live up to your standards, whatever they might be. And if, like you said, you do your research and the SP comes highly rated and you see them and it is a WOT. You ever stop to think it is you and not the SP?

And yes the SP's safety becomes an issue if she tries to get what she is owed and the client refuses. Not all of them are as prepared and capable as Nina. And those clients that would have walked at the beginning, becaue of having to pay up front, will now take a chance, and if they are not satisfied, then they won't pay. Are you really that stupid not to see the pitfalls of your list. And enough with the Thailand references already. Check a map, we are not in Thailand.

I foolishly thought that a person with as many posts as you had a clue. My mistake.

And to BCMOD, delete the thread. It was stupid yeterday, is stupid today and will still be stupid tomorrow.
JMHO
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Is this a joke? Payment after puts the ladies personal safety at risk? I'd love to hear the convoluted logic behind that claim. Tell that to the entire SW industry in Thailand. BTW, in case you haven't heard, it is prostitutes we are talking about. They are all in grave danger every day of their working lives. So to take your argument to its reasonable conclusion, you should be advocating that every one of them quit the profession. For their own personal safety. How they are paid will not effect that in the least.

 

[Pillowtalk]

You really do not get it. Posting a list of SP's that accept payment afterwards will bring out all the predators that will use that list to take advantage of an SP's services without paying. It opens up the opportunity for a whole slew of excuses for not paying the agreed upon price, or negotiating a discount after the fact. It was not good enough, you aren't pretty enough, your body was not as good as I thought, the blowjob was subpar, only one shot and on and on. What ever happened to caveat emptor. I think you are simply looking for an excuse not to pay if the SP does not live up to your standards, whatever they might be. D

And continues to justify it, and has never once answered that question, btw. Does he persistently and consistently shortchange the sp, one way or the other, at the end of the session. If in fact, post payment is to ensure getting what was asked for (since it certainly is not getting what was paid for) at an agreed rate, then what happens at the end?

That is what I mean by blackmail and intimidation, because at the end of it, I have no doubt lenny is someone who will never be happy with the performance (come on, what reasonable person actually requires an sp to do a bj for 3 hours, or kissing for 2? NO one, and what kind of poor soul out there agrees to it? Someone desperate and vulnerable, and also gullible enough to agree to a near impossible task, and accept to get paid after wards?

Really, I said it before but lenny's continued defense of his actions are disgusting and shameful. Lenny: Seek medical attention firstly for this inability to cum (there is obviously a medical problem going on here), and psychological attention for whatever it is that makes you think this is ok.

 

[Harmony-bc]

sheesh, I take it back, Lenny, you are not allowed at my house. A 3 hr, bbbj, that is very definitely crazy talk, hahaha. Poor girls. My 3 hour sessions are relaxing, enjoying a bottle of wine, getting to know each other, playing, condom usage, and other various activities, lol

 

[lenny]

You really do not get it. Posting a list of SP's that accept payment afterwards will bring out all the predators that will use that list to take advantage of an SP's services without paying. It opens up the opportunity for a whole slew of excuses for not paying the agreed upon price, or negotiating a discount after the fact. It was not good enough, you aren't pretty enough, your body was not as good as I thought, the blowjob was subpar, only one shot and on and on. What ever happened to caveat emptor. I think you are simply looking for an excuse not to pay if the SP does not live up to your standards, whatever they might be. And if, like you said, you do your research and the SP comes highly rated and you see them and it is a WOT. You ever stop to think it is you and not the SP?

And yes the SP's safety becomes an issue if she tries to get what she is owed and the client refuses. Not all of them are as prepared and capable as Nina. And those clients that would have walked at the beginning, becaue of having to pay up front, will now take a chance, and if they are not satisfied, then they won't pay. Are you really that stupid not to see the pitfalls of your list. And enough with the Thailand references already. Check a map, we are not in Thailand.

I foolishly thought that a person with as many posts as you had a clue. My mistake.

And to BCMOD, delete the thread. It was stupid yeterday, is stupid today and will still be stupid tomorrow.
JMHO
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Nice change of subject. I respond to your comment about risks to a SP's person
and you changed it to the topic of risk to payment, as if that was what we
were discussing. I won't hold my breath waiting for a reply to that.

As for risk of payment, that is always at risk, whether it is paid up front,
left on a table as long as the session lasts, or paid after the fact {as with
many who recieve postpayment from regulars, for an example}. If a guy
is a predator he is not beyond doing what he does with any of these methods.

Posting a list of providers, which has already been done in this thread, will
not change that fact. All the SWs of Thailand must be shaking in their undies
because i posted here, eh? NOT!

Not that i ever intended guys to post such info against the wishes of any
individual SP's who do this, at least not unless they already advertize it
publicly {if any such exists}. This thread has already provided me with exactly
the kind of info i was looking for. I will look into the MP scene for well
reviewed SP's who recieve postpayment.

As for what you think i am looking for, you shouldn't speak of things of
which you are totally and absolutely clueless and ignorant, as if you know
me. It is quite funny actually, like i care what some anonymous internet
poster thinks of me. Pillowtalk is especially guilty of doing that often in
this thread and others. So I can't be bothered responding to most of her
drivel.

Regarding Thailand, there is no need for your irrelevant elementary school lesson
which has nothing to do with my comment. What does the geography of Thailand
have to do with the personal safety of Thai SWs who generally all recieve
payment after the fact. Again, you are talking apples on a subject about cars.

 

[dunnochit]

I stand by every one of my statements especially this one. I foolishly thought that a person with as many posts as you had a clue. My mistake.
Not that I am suggesting anything, but you keep mentioning SW's in Thailand in this post and many of your other posts. With approx. 25% of the SW's (Stands for street workers\walkers BTW, which has nothing to do with your original post) Thailand being under the age of 18 and HIV\AIDS at epidemic levels, you might not want to brag so much about your exploits in Thailand. One could get the wrong impression.

Anyway, I am done here. You will keep trying to jutify your statements and fail and I will continue to make you look foolish, with great success. It is no longer a challenge and I am now bored.
Wash your hands, keep it covered, and with your habits, keep your doctors number on speed dial.
JMHO
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[lenny]

I think that is more about taking advantage of someone's great need for money, perhaps desperation even.

Think about it, the more the sp needs the money, the more likely it is that she will be willing to give away any control over certain situations she may have and simply hope for the best.

That is your theory, but does the data in the real world back it up? I can speak about SWs in Thailand because i know something about it. Some of these ladies are very poor and have little or nothing. Some others who have been in the business for a few short years own their own condo, a car, and have a sponsor sending them 30K Baht a month {a huge amount of money by their living standards}. Yet both types follow the standard practice for SWs there, postpayment. OTOH, BTW, go to an MP, like the famous Annies of Bangkok, and you will have to follow the way they do things, prepayment before a session.

 

[lenny]

I think it would be a very bad idea to make such a list on a public forum! It would be dangerous for the SP's on the list, as it would attract unscrupulous clients to them

That is possible, but if any Canadian SP exists who advertises postpayment for first time clients,
would you deny them the freedom of choice to do so? While it is possible she might attract unsavory types who would rob her, it is also possible she'd attract top of the line customers who appreciate her goodwill. And if she were also willing to take the time to screen them thoroughly, which could involve doing any number of hundreds of things, she should improve her chances in that regard. Who knows, maybe even land a SD or two, like advertisers on CL are regularly seeking.

 

[lenny]

Not that I am suggesting anything, but you keep mentioning SW's in Thailand in this post and many of your other posts. With approx. 25% of the SW's (Stands for street workers\walkers BTW, which has nothing to do with your original post) Thailand being under the age of 18 and HIV\AIDS at epidemic levels, you might not want to brag so much about your exploits in Thailand. One could get the wrong impression.

Thai law requires all Thai citizens carry picture ID in public, so one can check
anyone's DOB to see if it indicates they are of legal age there. If they don't
have this card or it is not up to snuff, avoid them like the plaque.

I don't know what the HIV stats are in Thailand, but at the famous Annies
MP of Bangkok, for an example, you can see the ladies STD test results.
Some guys who like an SW or bargirl and want to spend their time with her
while in the country will go to the hospital and get tested together. I've done
that kind of thing myself. How many SP's that you've seen have shown you
her HIV test results.

 

[mistressfreyja]

MODS??????????Lenny.....we don't have the opportunity to TAKE chances.....

You continue to fight a concept that is completely DANGEROUS to SPs.

Mods, please help. This thread needs to go. This is about our SAFETY.

Your thread and attitude has done nothing but remind me of the necessity to poke and prod for that payment UPFRONT.

Regular, non-regular....

FUCK goodwill, Lenny.

We are in the sex trade.

And FUCK the way they do it anywhere else.

PS: FUCK goodwill. This is MY body. MY space. MY life. You want to play games? Don't book with me.

PSS: HIV result? You don't even want to put up your money, and yet you ask me for a piece of paper with my LEGAL NAME ON IT?

FUCK off.

Sorry about the lack of tact, everyone else. I can only stomach BS so long.

That is possible, but if any Canadian SP exists who advertises postpayment for first time clients,
would you deny them the freedom of choice to do so? While it is possible she might attract unsavory types who would rob her, it is also possible she'd attract top of the line customers who appreciate her goodwill. And if she were also willing to take the time to screen them thoroughly, which could involve doing any number of hundreds of things, she should improve her chances in that regard. Who knows, maybe even land a SD or two, like advertisers on CL are regularly seeking.

 

[lenny]

You are absolutely right and my previous post about how some people are jerks and either try to not pay or get a reduced price agrees with you. However, I'm not sure your phrasing about the risk to the provider far outweighing the hobbiest point of view is quite fair. If I get ripped off by a grab-and-dash or given terrible service, I've been stolen from just as clearly as you are stolen from if a client leaves without paying pay you (truly a grab-and-dash!) or provides terrible service (a reduced payment).

I didn't say there were easy answers. Just suggesting that the risks are not dissimilar.

That's a good way to describe where i'm coming from in prefering postpayment.
Unfortunately there are those who only want to see the SP's side of the coin.
Open, reasoned, objective discussion is always better than vicious rants from
people with femi nazi agendas. Not mentioning any names, of course!

 

[mistressfreyja]

Lenny, I have enjoyed most of your posts.

But this one actually has the capacity to cause danger to SPs.

I can understand your post about not getting what was advertised. You can eliminate that by research.

As per the element of risk.....isn't is worse to be assaulted than to be disappointed?

PS: It's tough to maintain one's cool, when your post really IS that detrimental to our safety and well-being.

That's a good way to describe where i'm coming from in prefering postpayment.
Unfortunately there are those who only want to see the SP's side of the coin.
Open, reasoned, objective discussion is always better than vicious rants from
people with femi nazi agendas. Not mentioning any names, of course!

 

[lenny]

I wonder how far you would get in Thailand if you did not pay at the end? !

If you were in a guest friendly hotel and catching a plane the next day, quite far i would think.

They have much better back up than we do I can tell you, because, a fellow I know just came back from Thailand...those women are tuffer than us!

The women are physicly smaller than here, so probably weaker. Emotionally they have a rep of also being weaker, hence more unstable, greater potential to act crazy, and quicker to fall "in love". So it is said, anyways.