Generic List of providers who accept the donation after the session

[lenny]

Lenny=Kustee

lenny = Krustee = huggzy

lenny + Krustee + huggzy = the unholy triunity

 

[Cock Throppled]

Who & how many have you seen in the last year?

So what's your secret? You only see ladies in red? Never see ladies that aren't well reviewed?
Not everyone wants to restrict themselves so narrowly.

Not rockety seance. I axe a lot of questions and go by gut instinct if I think she is being evasive.

I do see sp's that have been pos reviews, saves me some work , rarely see anyone in red. There R a lot of women out there selling. Don't feel restricted.

I also play safe and don't demand bbbj or daty. If it's available I might, but I like to stay safe.

This year I've stuck with old faves, some semi-retired and not advertising.

 

[Pillowtalk]

Not rockety seance. I axe a lot of questions and go by gut instinct if I think she is being evasive.

I do see sp's that have been pos reviews, saves me some work , rarely see anyone in red. There R a lot of women out there selling. Don't feel restricted.

I also play safe and don't demand bbbj or daty. If it's available I might, but I like to stay safe.

This year I've stuck with old faves, some semi-retired and not advertising.

It isn't hard, is it. This line though says it all: I axe a lot of questions and go by gut instinct if I think she is being evasive.

If an sp doesn't know enough about the laws to answer the questions, or is too coy to do so on the phone, just move on, and don't waste any more time. She can either get it or not, and lose out if she chooses to not learn the business. She could be the nicest sp in the world, but if she is clueless about the value of being up front about rates and services, she shouldn't be doing it herself.. hire an assistant or something to deal with the gritty underside of the business lol.

 

[lenny]

Krustee / Mr O - I know it's hard to remember what you typed and under what handle you typed it. So, here is a quote of the post where you claimed that anyone could easily do a chargeback.

Nothing is stated there about it being easy or difficult. And the joke you quote about Krustee
is totally irrelevant to that subject.

 

[JFF009]

Let me state firstly that I always pay upfront...mostly because I have a shitty memory and I think there's a chance I'd forget after.
I've only read a few parts of this thread but from what I can tell the OP simply wanted to start a list of providers that accept payment after the session is over. I understand that is not the common practice amongst independent SPs. I get that it's not normal but is the OP not permitted to even ask the question.

Along the way someone mentioned that services being offered can change after the business part of the transaction takes place. I fully agree with this. I've seen plenty of ladies that tell you on the phone that they offer GFE and then find out after the donation is paid that their version of GFE doesn't include any kissing or daty. WTF...I don't expect a bbbj for GFE but c'mon...that's terrible.

To argue that I should only stick to the well reviewed ladies may be fine on paper but in the real world it doesn't work that way for many of us. I have had great times with SPs that I couldn't find a review on anywhere (one of them is quite vocal in this thread).

 

[lenny]

I found the following quote interesting. While it's from a discussion about credit card chargebacks,
it compares to some remarks by huggzy about general business practices.

One recommendation I would make is don't live your life by the exceptions, but rather the rules. In other words, if it is only an occasional problem or just one, then don't change your whole work process. Especially if that change may alienate some of your good clients.

Sometimes you lose more work/moeny by appearing difficult or demanding rather than easy to work with. All business should plan for some bad debts or lost money. There is even a place for it on a Schedule C (US income tax form).

Certainly review your procedure to avoid being too easy of a target, but don't go overboard.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=441648&page=3

Whether true or not, these comments re CC charge backs also caught my attention:

One of the biggest problems you will deal with is digital delivery – there is no 'proof' that delivery was made.

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The other problem is that he is getting paid first and then delivering the image after. The customer can merely say that he is "unsatisfied" with the edits. It could be easily resolvable by making corrections, but in the meantime, he is out the money until the client is satisfied. There is no delivery of a physical item such as a bicycle.

There is always the risk of an unsatisfied customer when we are dealing with creative services. Just because the OP is happy with the results doesn't mean the client will be.

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You might want to check your merchant agreement. Generally speaking, you can't process a credit card transaction before you deliver the product. You can take the number (and if you have your own merchant account), you can do an authorization, but you aren't allowed to charge before shipping.

It might well be that the client complained that you charged in advance and then delivered an unsatisfactory product.

http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=441648&page=3

 

[lenny]

Here's some more interesting opinions re CC chargebacks:

In addition to unauthorized transactions, a charge back may also be generated for items that were never received, items received in poor conditions, or wrong items received.

In most cases, the merchant does not dispute the charge back amount.



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As a credit card merchant, I can tell you from personal experience that it's usually more trouble than it's worth to defend a credit card chargeback dispute - so it's no surprise that most merchants don't.

http://www.financialservicesonline....s/credit_card_chargeback_secret_guarantee.php

 

[Cock Throppled]

Well stated.

 

[mistressfreyja]

Blah-baddy-blah blah blah.

I would honestly think up a more intelligent response, but it's just NOT deserved.

Blah blah .....oh, and BLAH.

Perhaps, WHAW? whaw whaw whaw .....life is tough....yadda yadda.

Again, carry-on. See you on page 25.

 

[melissa.in.abby]

That is exactly what I think when I see this thread still going.... it is the thread that never ends! ... lol

Blah-baddy-blah blah blah.

I would honestly think up a more intelligent response, but it's just NOT deserved.

Blah blah .....oh, and BLAH.

Perhaps, WHAW? whaw whaw whaw .....life is tough....yadda yadda.

Again, carry-on. See you on page 25.

 

[UK John Thomas]

I have fully agree with Melissa.

I've been seeing ladies for a long time now and never would I consider not paying for a booking in advance, I don't see the advantage or benefit. Being granted trust by these lovely ladies is for the client to earn and you can start that by paying up front.

I can't help the feeling that forming a list of ladies who take payment at the end of a booking for what ever reason is going to do nothing short of providing those who are not as trustworthy a convenient hit list.

I'd be as happy to see this thread closed.

 

[lenny]

Been pooning for 30 years and never been ripped off.

Disappointed, sometimes but never ripped off.

You guys getting ripped off are either doing something wrong or don't learn very fast.

Not rockety seance. I axe a lot of questions and go by gut instinct if I think she is being evasive.

I do see sp's that have been pos reviews, saves me some work , rarely see anyone in red. There R a lot of women out there selling. Don't feel restricted.

It isn't hard, is it. This line though says it all: I axe a lot of questions and go by gut instinct if I think she is being evasive.

If it were so easy to weed out all the ripoff types just by asking a "lot of questions"
and going by "gut instinct", then any lady out there could do the same and feel
totally comfortable in offering postpayment.

Personally that seems like a "lot" of work to me. And i wouldn't trust my "gut" or
spidey sense or instinct, or whatever you want to call it, anyway. These things
may be of some help in that direction, but certainly not full proof, so i would
attribute any alleged 100% success rate to luck and/or unusual talent.

According to my preference i'd rather just ask at most a few questions, especially
one regarding postpayment. If you don't pay upfront, then you've already ruled
out the possibility of a cash and dash ripoff, 100%.

CL ads typicly say nothing about when payment is needed, so it is a perfectly
legitimate question to ask an SP where she stands on that. Or to explain to her
that you've been ripped off before so would like to pay after {or perhaps allow
some form of compromise, like half and half, putting it on the table in plain
sight till the appointment is over, etc} and see what she says to that idea.

Re outcalls to my place 50% {1 of 2} of CL advertisers in the erotic section agreed
to postpayment. I also obtained the same results via the CL adult gigs section.

 

[sonoman]

{or perhaps allow some form of compromise, like half and half, putting it on the table in plain sight till the appointment is over, etc} and see what she says to that idea.

Re outcalls to my place 50% {1 of 2} of CL advertisers in the erotic section agreed
to postpayment. I also obtained the same results via the CL adult gigs section.

This is the only scenario where I can see the idea of postpayment having any merit, although still not without consequence. A 'half-and-half' arrangement might provide protection against unsavoury SP's who might otherwise make off with all of a client's cash, but can only turn off legitimate SP's/agencies.

 

[Pillowtalk]

This is the only scenario where I can the idea of postpayment having any merit, although still not without consequences. A 'half-and-half' arrangement might provide protection against unsavoury SP's who might otherwise make off with all of a client's cash, but can only turn off legitimate SP's/agencies.

Well,this is where their super duper screening skills come into play. Oh wait a minute, actually they come into play the minute lenny asks are they ok with post payment. This is a big red flag for rip off guys, so the wise sps (and also the reputable reliable ones) turn these "offers" down. After all, a legitimate sp is not desperate for business, and does not need to make these kinds of deals to get an appt. Someone new to the business might try it once, but not twice, so again it would be preying on their innocence.

I am not sure that 50% (based on one out of two) can really be used as an example of success, fwiw.

 

[storm rider]

My car is in the garage...here is an example outside of the SP world. It is now fixed. I went to bring it home. Guess what....they agreed over the phone that I can do payments and take my car. I got there, and the damage on the bill was $2500. Well like I have $2500 (yes in RRSP's). So though we made a deal over the phone, my car is still there they will not release it to me until I pay all! So it is not just SP's that ask for payment up front.

Not sure my point here. But there you go. I have had a long day and a bad day. Tomorrows a new day it will be better.

Well stuff like that comes down to both your word and where you are coming from....I myself floated $3000 worth of bodywork to a car I had fixed up....the shop that did it was an old school shop....the guy that owned the place apprenticed under his father and took over the business....his father knew my father...and thusly my word was good....in the due course of time that was mutually agreeable the shop got paid and the guy was happy.....and he gets all of my business now.

SR

 

[HubbaHubba]

Not sure my point here.

You've been saying that a lot lately

 

[myselftheother]

So do excuse me if I do seem to be a bit out of the norm.

Darlin' that is the norm here.

To everyone else....please leave the dead horse alone, let it have some dignity and stop beating it....bury it deep.....

 

[HubbaHubba]

....bury it deep.....

That sounds a lil bit naughty

 

[myselftheother]

That sounds a lil bit naughty

Kinda plannin' on it.

 

[BcMod]

I have been receiving a lot of requests to close this thread, requests from both SP's and Pooners. I have been resisting, but now, I reluctantly succumb to the pressure and will close it; however, as a Mod, I reserve the right to the final word - a gentleman always pays first.