Generic List of providers who accept the donation after the session

[lenny]

That is the way i prefer it.

1. I found it to be standard practice amongst SWs in Thailand.

2. In a majority of {dozens of} cases i have found it agreeable also with SWs in Vancouver.

3. One of the best ever reviewed ladies on PERB {perhaps a non advertiser, i can't recall her name}
who was a Chinese from Hong Kong, allowed me to give her donations after the sessions. I don't
know if this was her usual practice or if i requested it. Last i heard she had returned to HK.
Donations were listed as 1.2 per hour, although i typicly recieved the special rate of 2 for 2. Incall location was around Granville & 12th in Vancouver. Name might have been Wing?

4. From CL i have requested this a couple times and am batting 50%.

Why do so many ladies need it up front? Lots of things can be paid for later or after the fact.
BTW, in a few cases i've found that their is trust after the first time, whichever way it is done.

 

[jnewton]

Why do so many ladies need it up front? Lots of things can be paid for later or after the fact.

Because there are too many jerks out there who don't pay or try to get a reduced rate after the session.

 

[lenny]

Because there are too many jerks out there who don't pay or try to get a reduced rate after the session.

True. And that swings both ways. Which explains, at least in part, my preference.

So did you learn this by trying the post session donation route?

 

[badbadboy]

Usually it has been HK micro's that don't ask for the $ up front. I have mine ready but have been told 'pay after'. IIRC Yoyo, JoJo and Ada from a couple of years ago operated that way.

 

[jnewton]

True. And that swings both ways. Which explains, at least in part, my preference.

So did you learn this by trying the post session donation route?

No, I pay up front. Other than what I wrote earlier about the sometimes getting a worse level of service when paying up front, my only negative experience with start of session donations has been getting ripped off by SP grab-and-dash scams.

 

[Pillowtalk]

If they have onsite backup, like an agency, micro, or an indy with a driver, you might see that happen. Even at mps, but the main difference is between does she have backup or not. And if not, she will want it up front.

I do not see the point in trying to transfer asian style methods to vancouver, or BC. If the primary procedure is pay before, and I have yet to read someone's website that asks you to pay after the appt lol, always pay before. I don't get the problem. If you did not enjoy your session, don't repeat. Not exactly rocket science.

But how many of you who pay after also do not enjoy the session? Probably just as often as whenyou pay first. REally, why would you stand there like a lump not paying when you know full well she has already requested you to do that before meeting, and then create even more distance by making her ask you to do it. Stupid, and just asking for a bad time.

I wonder, to the OP, how often it is that he manages to pay so little per hour, if much of that is that pay after, she stays longer thinking she is getting full payment, and it turns out he shortchanges her at the end? There are not too many sps who would voluntarily hang out or overnight at the 50 bucks an hour you mention in another thread, if they knew that up front was what they were getting. Especially knowing that they could have been making double or triple.

 

[Bobo The Rabbit]

The vast majority of Edmonton's SPs work in massage parlors and here you pay after the session, very few girls collect in advance, this came about because when a guy walks in and the session starts the girl doesn't know if this is going to be a HJ, BJ, FS, or sGFE session. So usually if the guy doesn't state what he wants the girl will begin a massage then when its time to flip over ask what he wants and if the guy doesn't know how much it costs he can ask and guys pay at the end of the session.
However as sGFE has become more available in MPs guys will often place the donation aside at the start of the session as they know what they are after and the cost is Industry standard all across the city.

With Indy SPs who work out of hotels or their homes they often list what their cost per hour is and will state what services they offer, which is usually GFE.
So as a guy if you go to see a girl and you know her hourly rate is 300 an hour then you should present 300 when you enter at the start of the session.

When to pay depends on a lot of variables.

However if you know what your after and know the cost, pay before hand.

 

[jnewton]

Unfortunately, not all men are honest, and one has to be careful not to get ripped off. I can see it from the hobbiest point of view... but I think the risk for the provider far outweighs it.

You are absolutely right and my previous post about how some people are jerks and either try to not pay or get a reduced price agrees with you. However, I'm not sure your phrasing about the risk to the provider far outweighing the hobbiest point of view is quite fair. If I get ripped off by a grab-and-dash or given terrible service, I've been stolen from just as clearly as you are stolen from if a client leaves without paying pay you (truly a grab-and-dash!) or provides terrible service (a reduced payment).

I didn't say there were easy answers. Just suggesting that the risks are not dissimilar.

 

[Harmony-bc]

Krustee / Mr O has a thread up where he states that he is often short the donation and that the SP should "trust" him to come back and pay her if he was "satisfied" with her service.

Given that sort of attitude, I would expect any SP to ask for the donation up front. The guy always has the opportunity to "spin on the doorstep" if he sees, smells, or intuits that he really doesn't want to have a session with that SP. Once he has entered and the session has started, he owes the price of the session. The alternative is to always have security on site and that would be uncomfortable for most of us.

If a client thinks that they can push back on an SP's restrictions because he's withholding the donation until after the session ends, he's making it more dangerous for the clients that are pleased to accept the SP's restrictions for her and his own safety. If a client doesn't like the restrictions a particular SP has, he should look for an SP who is willing. Just because SPs are available to have sex for money doesn't mean they have to risk themselves and other clients and it doesn't mean they have to see people that are hygienically challenged or interested in "rough trade".

Exactly

Please pay before. If you insist on paying after, with me, you will actually get a worse session. I will be too nervous to enjoy you or myself properly. Just trust your instincts and not your little guy and you will be fine

 

[lenny]

Please pay before. If you insist on paying after, with me, you will actually get a worse session.

I am surprised to hear that this is even a possibility. I wonder if some others will
come out of the closet, so to speak. BTW with you i think no one should have any
concerns and feel at ease in offering the donation per your preferences.

 

[Harmony-bc]

I am surprised to hear that this is even a possibility.

You missed the rest of what I said in your quote. I am always nice, but if you pay after, then I am not myself because I am nervous about your intent.

My restrictions and attitude, no matter what stays the same.

I insist about the donation being up front due to some unfortunate experiences of being shorted, or out right ripped off.

 

[lenny]

You missed the rest of what I said in your quote. I am always nice, but if you pay after, then I am not myself because I am nervous about your intent.

My restrictions and attitude, no matter what stays the same.

I insist about the donation being up front due to some unfortunate experiences of being shorted, or out right ripped off.

Oh, ok, so if i understand you, you do not allow post session donations anymore, due to being ripped off in the past when you did allow them. Well, like i said in my last post to you {which i edited}, i would not have one iota of concern in following your way of doing things, since you have a proven longstanding track record here. For the same reason you gave, though, i would not feel comfortable with many others, in handing over cash upfront.

 

[dunnochit]

I do not understand this argument. Comparing any Asian custom with Western practices is moot. Why even bring it up? AMP practices do not qualify. This is an argument about SP's not FOB's.
I have been around SP's for over 40 years and the general custom has been donation at the door, or hit the door. If you are worried about being ripped off, maybe you should not be seeing SP's off of CL at 2 in the morning. Stupid is what stupid does.
Respect these ladies and they will respect you. Honour their wishes and the session will be that much better. Treat them with your ignorance or lame arguments as to why you want to pay at the end and you will get what you deserve and hopefully less so.
I just don't get why this is even a matter for discussion. Some of you guys just do not get it and need to find another hobby, because this one has rules you obviously do not like, do not respect or do not know.
JMHO
D

 

[Harmony-bc]

Oh, ok, so if i understand you, you do not allow post session donations anymore, due to being ripped off in the past when you did allow them. Well, like i said in my last post to you {which i edited}, i would not have one iota of concern in following your way of doing things, since you have a proven longstanding track record here. For the same reason you gave, though, i would not feel comfortable with many others, in handing over cash upfront.

Thank you Aside for the 3 hour long cock sucking sessions you like to do, you are welcome over, lol (I would faint from cock suckers cramp, long before the time would be up, hahahaha)

I do not understand this argument. Comparing any Asian custom with Western practices is moot. Why even bring it up? AMP practices do not qualify. This is an argument about SP's not FOB's.
I have been around SP's for over 40 years and the general custom has been donation at the door, or hit the door. If you are worried about being ripped off, maybe you should not be seeing SP's off of CL at 2 in the morning. Stupid is what stupid does.
Respect these ladies and they will respect you. Honour their wishes and the session will be that much better. Treat them with your ignorance or lame arguments as to why you want to pay at the end and you will get what you deserve and hopefully less so.
I just don't get why this is even a matter for discussion. Some of you guys just do not get it and need to find another hobby, because this one has rules you obviously do not like, do not respect or do not know.
JMHO
D

Right on. Great attitude

 

[lenny]

If they have onsite backup, like an agency, micro, or an indy with a driver, you might see that happen. Even at mps, but the main difference is between does she have backup or not. And if not, she will want it up front.

I wonder what backup the SWs in Thailand have when they go to a guy's hotel room?
They must do ok with the pay after way of doing things or that would not be standard
procedure there, eh. Maybe they are just better judges of character so they don't get
ripped off nearly as often?

If those who recieve it upfront identify themselves as being without backup, and the guy
is not satisfied with his session, maybe he will decide he's going to find where she put
his donation and take it back. Or take a TV, cell phone or some other things of similar
value. If he's the kind of guy who would predetermine not to pay in a pay after type of
arrangement, then he'd be the kind of guy to take something back in a pay before deal.
So i'd suggest the feeling of security in recieving upfront donations might be a false
sense of security.

I do not see the point in trying to transfer asian style methods to vancouver, or BC. If the primary procedure is pay before, and I have yet to read someone's website that asks you to pay after the appt lol, always pay before. I don't get the problem. If you did not enjoy your session, don't repeat. Not exactly rocket science.

As per my OP and several others here, the pay after {Asian as you call it} style is already
here, and it's not just Asians. You just have to ask for it & see what she says, if an SP is not
already offering postpayment upfront or requiring prepayment. Where there is enough
demand for something, the niche or supply will be created. So I wonder, with Canada likely
to become increasingly Asianized in the coming years and decades, if this could become the
way of the future.

BTW i've also encountered a third type of payment system, which is putting the money on the
table, and no one touches it till the session is over. Then there's number 4, the credit card.
I guess a guy could charge a session back to his CC, whether or not he felt that he was ripped off
by not getting what he bargained for. An additional twist is that some SPs who accept payment
after the fact, still want to see your money beforehand, so they know you have it and won't be
saying later that you left your wallet at home, or something.

But how many of you who pay after also do not enjoy the session? Probably just as often as whenyou pay first.

Maybe a poll would answer that. If an SP {e.g. Harmony} cannot give as good a session
when recieving payment after, then it stands to reason that a client may not be able
to enjoy himself as much if he is worried about not getting what he prepaid for.

I wonder, to the OP, how often it is that he manages to pay so little per hour, if much of that is that pay after, she stays longer thinking she is getting full payment, and it turns out he shortchanges her at the end? There are not too many sps who would voluntarily hang out or overnight at the 50 bucks an hour you mention in another thread, if they knew that up front was what they were getting. Especially knowing that they could have been making double or triple.

Fifty an hour is actually quite generous when it comes to Bangkok SWs. Thirty is the most common
rate, and in Pattaya maybe half of that. After all, several hundred dollars a month is a common wage
over there, and many of these ladies are earning more than local Thai doctors and lawyers.

When negotiating payment before a session they often say "up to you" when asked how much. I prefer to set a definite amount so we both know what the end result will be before it starts.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

i saw an sp for a while that didn't collect up front because i was a regular. one time after a particularly energetic session we were both so dazed that we showered and left and i forgot to pay her. later that day she called me and asked if i had paid her or if i remembered where she had put it. i checked my pocket and sure enough there it was. i met her after work at a bar to give her the money and suggested i pay for drinks for forgetting but she insisted on sharing the tab - we had a great chat over drinks and snacks. i noticed for the first time in a crowd like that how incredibly hot she really was - i'd only seen her alone before and not realized that

 

[Pillowtalk]

Fifty an hour is actually quite generous when it comes to Bangkok SWs. Thirty is the most common
rate, and in Pattaya maybe half of that. After all, several hundred dollars a month is a common wage
over there, and many of these ladies are earning more than local Thai doctors and lawyers.

When negotiating payment before a session they often say "up to you" when asked how much. I prefer to set a definite amount so we both know what the end result will be before it starts.

I was referring to your own stories about what you pay sps here.

Anyways, here are your choices: visit only asian micros where you are welcome and happy to pay later (good luck with getting a 3 hour bj, tho with them, at 50 extra bucks per hour), or go back to Thailand.

Or you, like the sps who have to endure those 3 hour bjs, can just hold your breath waiting for the sps and mps to accept your payment after the fact. But as for "industry standard" lol, the standard in BC has been pay before play for decades, you really think a couple of ESLers out there who don't even communicate with the rest of the sps in their vicinity are going to change that. It is what it is for a reason: the guys who steal, who show up without funds, who overstay the amount they have funds for, that push for additoinal services they do not have funds for, and who at the end of the appt, try to slip out without payment.

It sounds to me like you prefer your sps to work on fear (fear that you will hurt them to fear that you wson't pay at all to fear that you will simply not have the full amount for what you demanded to fear that you will promise to bring the balance tomorrow or later). I think most of us agree that having a woman providing intimate services who is providing with fear of the client in the front of her mind is not really going to be a relaxed and fun person to be around. However, if you prefer a fearful one, then continue to demand that you will not pay until after the session regardless of what her personal policies are. And it is not "demanding" to be paid first; if that is the condition of you setting up the appt and having an appt with her, then it is the condition you agreed to even before you arrived. Changing the rules on arrival is manipulative, and really I pity (well I already did based on other posts by you and your inability to orgasm, you seem to use that as a weapon or seek to punish sps with that fact, fwiw) really pity the sps who make the mistake of agreeing to spending time with you. You must prey on the vulnerable and desperate (well, I already saw that you do based on some of your posts), which makes you among the worst of the clients out there.

And now you want to start a thread designed to intimidate sps into accepting payment after; to encourage other clients out there to show up and demand to pay after the fact, and hope that the sps succumb to that pressure, for fear of losing the spt, of what he might do if she does not agree?

I tell ya, go back to Thailand. Your attitude disgusts me.

 

[FunSugarDaddy]

Haven't read the thread but the topic is ridiculous.

If I don't know an SP the first thing I want to do is put her at ease. Giving her her donation does that.

The one thing many pooners forget is that the best sessions involve chemistry and creating chemistry is a two way street. That often means a good or bad time isn't always the fault of an SP, a guy has to do his part too to ensure you both have a good time, because as far as I'm concerned that's the objective.

I've even gone so far as to remind a regular to take her money before she left as I had it out on a coffee table and she was almost out the door without it.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

I wonder what backup the SWs in Thailand have when they go to a guy's hotel room?
They must do ok with the pay after way of doing things or that would not be standard
procedure there, eh. Maybe they are just better judges of character so they don't get
ripped off nearly as often?

As per my OP and several others here, the pay after {Asian as you call it} style is already
here, and it's not just Asians. You just have to ask for it & see what she says, if an SP is not
already offering postpayment upfront or requiring prepayment. Where there is enough
demand for something, the niche or supply will be created. So I wonder, with Canada likely
to become increasingly Asianized in the coming years and decades, if this could become the
way of the future.

I think that is more about taking advantage of someone's great need for money, perhaps desperation even.

Think about it, the more the sp needs the money, the more likely it is that she will be willing to give away any control over certain situations she may have and simply hope for the best. You're honest (it seems) so they do not lose out in the end and don't end up getting ripped off, but I doubt that is the case all the time. Bottom line is that you are simply able to benefit from their need being greater or more urgent and their options being limited which affects their willingness to accept greater risks and hope for the best.


I think there is a HUGE difference between visiting an sp's incall, where she is alone and visting an MP where there are many others around. I also don't know why we're mixing SW's from Thailand into the discussion here.. Obviously there is going to be a HUGE difference with the way things are done and the extent to which one will accept risk and "hope for the best". I think it's comparing apples and oranges.


I truly hope no one decides to start naming sp's whom they've paid after the session because that would be putting these sp's in a risky position.. There are a lot of men who read/lurk here and you never know what some of their intentions might be. Men have boards like this one to help reduce their risks... Isn't that exactly what reviews are meant for in the first place? If you or anyone is not finding that reviews are valuable in helping you avoid being ripped off such as is your fear.....then why exactly is the point in reviews?!


I think that is where Odette's comment came from (that the sp's risk outweighs)... I may be wrong but to me, it seems that this expectation of an sp's only seeing or receiving the donation once services have been providing is starting to push more and more towards all of the rights and none of the risks for pooners and all of the risks and obligations on the sp's!


Even when you have all kinds of ways of reducing your risks at your disposal, such as websites, reviews, online presence and accountability, and reviews sites like perb.... while at the same time being allowed to provide a "fake" name, using a throw-away pay-as-you-go cell phone not registered to your name, etc... ANd now on top of it, you put the sp in a position where she has to "trust" you, a stranger? And you're also implying that someone who is a good judge of character will not get ripped off with this method and that if a girl does get ripped off, her character judgment skills are to blame?


I think you need to really think about what you are asking and what kind of position you are putting an sp in, which I personally think is very unfair and it seems like an attempt to tip the scale so that you end up with all the control and none of the risks. The only way someone will agree to give up all the control and assume all the risks is because her need for the money is greater than her need for safety and assurance. You or anyone else can praise girls who accept this all you want, but the reality of it is that, whether this is intentional or not, you are simply taking advantage of such an sp's unfortunate situation, period.


Do you see what i'm saying?

BTW i've also encountered a third type of payment system, which is putting the money on the
table, and no one touches it till the session is over.

I don't consider this a "different" way of paying... To me, this is paying before, at the start of the appointment IMO.

The thing is, the minute the donation is offered, we are more at ease. The donation is left out in the open where you left it. The session starts and we give you our very best. We have great reviews to back up the reliability of our services. You see instantly that we are there for you, that we are giving you what you came for.. the time goes forward and things get even better and better as they move along through the session. You see you are getting what you wanted within minutes of the session starting. This means that you will have your worries washed away quite soon after you've paid, and you can relax through the whole session too... and enjoy it all thoroughly.

Do your homework and choose ladies who are respected for their honesty and ethics. Why would a woman with a great rep not give you what you've paid for?

Totally agree.

 

[Pillowtalk]

I don't consider this a "different" way of paying... To me, this is paying before, at the start of the appointment IMO.


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Totally agree.

Referring to the money on the table and especially in an envelope, well, we still see rant posts from sps who wanr others about how the guy grabs the money off the table and scampers away. Or if in an envelope, that was checked before, he slips something out of it while she is out of the room or busy with something.

I like what you said above: if the guy has checked the site, checked reviews, in some cases checked online persona, and done his own homework by asking for information directly from her to verify rates and services, then once at the door does dunnochits qualifications of scoping the place and sp out, then what the hell man. If you choose to see someone who cannot provide you the feeling of safety, then what are you doing here? Certainly not learning from the experiences of others or honing your spidey senses lol.

Pay the girl, up front, fan out the bills, let her walk away and hide it if she wants, and shut up. Why people want the illusion this is not a pay for play scene I have no idea. quit fooling around, and trying to fool yourselves, cuz it is. So hand it over and shut up about it.