I think it would be a very bad idea to make such a list on a public forum! It would be dangerous for the SP's on the list, as it would attract unscrupulous clients to them
Generic List of providers who accept the donation after the session
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I think maybe part of what we are dealing with here is an environmental difference. In Vancouver, you are blessed with a superabundance of very respectable SP's (yes, respectable, even if the rest of society doesn't always agree) who care about their business and about satisfying their customers. Add to that the many and varied sources of information about level of service and reliability and the mix creates a pooners heaven, where a client can visit an SP he's never seen before with a fairly high degree of confidence that he will be treated fairly financially and very well in the other ways. If the client goes with a well established SP, the risk of a bad session or worse, being stolen from, is negligable.
Constrast that with the market in the US. Because of the legal issues, sources of accurate intel are less abundant and less reliable and the SP pool is, IMHO, generally populated by a less respectable class of SP. If a market like Las Vegas is considered, the risks of a bad experience increase dramatically. SP's come and go with the speed of a revolving door and it seems as though a lot of them just don't understand the idea of building a business and working to build a repeat clientelle. This is the type of market I'm referring to in my comments.
I always pay up front, but I have found that those who are most concerned about making sure they have the money seem least concerned about making sure I have a good session and sometimes engage in grab-and-dash theft (I call it theft because that is what it really is, no less so than if a client doesn't pay). The ones who are comfortable with the money sitting on the dresser in the envelope or in a drawer tend to be much more focused on having an enjoyable and interesting session together.
So for all you classy and ethical ladies who respect your clients and yourselves, I applaude your integrity and fully respect your approach to your business. Unfortunately, not everyone adheres to your ethical standards and those that don't ruin it for the ones who do, just as those clients who are unethical mess things up for everyone else.
Constrast that with the market in the US. Because of the legal issues, sources of accurate intel are less abundant and less reliable and the SP pool is, IMHO, generally populated by a less respectable class of SP. If a market like Las Vegas is considered, the risks of a bad experience increase dramatically. SP's come and go with the speed of a revolving door and it seems as though a lot of them just don't understand the idea of building a business and working to build a repeat clientelle. This is the type of market I'm referring to in my comments.
I always pay up front, but I have found that those who are most concerned about making sure they have the money seem least concerned about making sure I have a good session and sometimes engage in grab-and-dash theft (I call it theft because that is what it really is, no less so than if a client doesn't pay). The ones who are comfortable with the money sitting on the dresser in the envelope or in a drawer tend to be much more focused on having an enjoyable and interesting session together.
So for all you classy and ethical ladies who respect your clients and yourselves, I applaude your integrity and fully respect your approach to your business. Unfortunately, not everyone adheres to your ethical standards and those that don't ruin it for the ones who do, just as those clients who are unethical mess things up for everyone else.
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Thank you! I have been in the industry since '84 and it has always been pay upfront, for escorts and for SWs
I wonder how far you would get in Thailand if you did not pay at the end? They have much better back up than we do I can tell you, because, a fellow I know just came back from Thailand...those women are tuffer than us!
Same here...I did a duo with a woman and one regular always paid after, and, he lorded it over us too. I gues that's why it bothers me, although, my regulars pay at the end, I mean guys I have known for many many sessions.Exactly
Please pay before. If you insist on paying after, with me, you will actually get a worse session. I will be too nervous to enjoy you or myself properly. Just trust your instincts and not your little guy and you will be fine
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Are you kidding me? I don't know any reputable SP's who would allow a client to pay after a session. Maybe an inexperience, desperate girl would allow a client to pay after. That kind of practice would never fly at an agency, I can guarantee you.
We're not in Thailand.
I don't think I've ever read a single SP here (in Canada) write that she's ok with being handed the donation after the fact.Just in this thread alone we see a number saying they have regulars who regularly pay afterwards.
Anything is possible. It might also create a market of interest for SP's who are willing to offer this method of payment under terms that simultaneously give them a level of comfort that they can be satisfied with. For example, by a certain screening level of clients who would be interested or prefer this way of doing business.
Hundreds of things "might cause problems for some sps", like BBBJ, DFK, DATY, BLS, genital intercourse with a condom, for a few examples. Just being an SP, period, no matter how safe and how few menu items she offers, is still full of many risks. So how far down the slippery slope are you going to go? If you want to take it to the limit, then you will be arguing they should quit the profession entirely. Obviously they are willing to take the risks inherent in their job, or they wouldn't have chosen it. Likewise how far they want to add to that risk by the way they conduct their business is up to them.
Sure, payment after puts her at risk that she won't get paid. But payment up front still leaves her at risk of being robbed. Such as accounts of those whose purses were emptied out of all cash.
So, i guess the question ya gotta ask yourself is, will the benefits of goodwill birthed by accepting payment after be less, equal to, or greater than the risk of not having the cash locked up in your personal safe.
Thanks. I think that might have just been a phase i was going through. The latest thing is 3 hours of mouth to mouth kissing with LFK, & DFK! I also enjoy cuddling and a gentle massage.Thank you
What "argument" are you refering to? The point was to get a list of those who offer a certain payment method, as per the original title before it was changed by the mod, namely "List providers who accept the donation after the session". This has been done in several of the responses.
As for your comment, what are you trying to say? That AMP sex workers are FOB's and not SP's?
Culture is not the point of this thread. Payment after a session is not limited to Asians here in Vancouver. I have proven this with very little effort by simply talking to SP's of various kinds. Their spidey sense/women's intuition did not disappoint them when they agreed to keep me company.
You gotta pay if you want to play.
Oldest profession in the world. Customer always pays first.
It relaxes me to have the money taken care of, I don't have to bring it up or soloicit and put myself in a legal position. I prefer the classy side of donations. Do not talk money over the phone or in person. It is embarrassing to have to ask to get paid. I actually shut down any conversation or email that mentions money. I don't "count" any person's money either. I'm old school. You're forgetting that all men aren't the same clean or polite and upfront people. I see the real need for references and sites like roomservice2000. It's a hostile world getting worse everyday. Why demean an SP because she may not be what is advertised or provides service-wise. The human element.
I never treat a person as a walking bank machine. I'm letting someone into my home and body. The least you can do is pay your door fee at the door. This entire thread is simple ploy to rip SP's off. If you're not happy and haven't paid, why would you? This is the concept of TOFTT and review boards, afterall. Not to find a way out of paying an SP.
Take the good with the bad. I have been demoralized and mentally abused because "You just want my money" and that "I don't mean a thing to you" Sorry, but yeah. I do a job to get paid like anyone else. It doesn't mean that I don't care. I don't care for static or noise. My business just happens to be adult entertainment at the moment. I pay for my furniture and other big ticket items as well as groceries and even fast food before I receive it.
At the end of the session, I've been ripped off. More than once. Not enough or no money at all. I am punctual, clean, and I don't have a reputation for BS. If I let someone in my home like a complete stranger, I prefer the piece of mind of getting paid first and it ruins the session when money is brought up. Leave your envelope and have fun. If you don't, "C'est la vie". Leave her 50 and walk out on a bad feeling. Puh-leeease. I send people away in the first 2 minutes if I feel there's a problem. He gets a cheap lingerie thrill for nothing in person.
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Oldest profession in the world. Customer always pays first.
It relaxes me to have the money taken care of, I don't have to bring it up or soloicit and put myself in a legal position. I prefer the classy side of donations. Do not talk money over the phone or in person. It is embarrassing to have to ask to get paid. I actually shut down any conversation or email that mentions money. I don't "count" any person's money either. I'm old school. You're forgetting that all men aren't the same clean or polite and upfront people. I see the real need for references and sites like roomservice2000. It's a hostile world getting worse everyday. Why demean an SP because she may not be what is advertised or provides service-wise. The human element.
I never treat a person as a walking bank machine. I'm letting someone into my home and body. The least you can do is pay your door fee at the door. This entire thread is simple ploy to rip SP's off. If you're not happy and haven't paid, why would you? This is the concept of TOFTT and review boards, afterall. Not to find a way out of paying an SP.
Take the good with the bad. I have been demoralized and mentally abused because "You just want my money" and that "I don't mean a thing to you" Sorry, but yeah. I do a job to get paid like anyone else. It doesn't mean that I don't care. I don't care for static or noise. My business just happens to be adult entertainment at the moment. I pay for my furniture and other big ticket items as well as groceries and even fast food before I receive it.
At the end of the session, I've been ripped off. More than once. Not enough or no money at all. I am punctual, clean, and I don't have a reputation for BS. If I let someone in my home like a complete stranger, I prefer the piece of mind of getting paid first and it ruins the session when money is brought up. Leave your envelope and have fun. If you don't, "C'est la vie". Leave her 50 and walk out on a bad feeling. Puh-leeease. I send people away in the first 2 minutes if I feel there's a problem. He gets a cheap lingerie thrill for nothing in person.
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In terms of getting an understanding of what an SP's professional life is like both business-wise and psychologically, this particular thread is terrific and I thank those who have contributed. For myself, I tend to have longtime arrangements with SPs, sometimes becoming friendships of some sort although the sex is always paid for. Currently, I am seeing one SP whom I met off of Craigslist. I abhor Craigslist, incidentally, as it has, in the main, been the cause of a poor service record. But I was lucky. The gal whom I met is very pretty, curvy and quite sexual. She desires to service me and she accomplishes this extremely well. On first meeting her in my home, when I used her Craigslist name, she immediately corrected me and told me her real name and that is the way it has been since. She did not ask for the money upfront. I paid her after the session and have done so since. So, for me, the fantasy element as well as the naturalness of the relationship has been kept intact. As a result, since seeing her, I haven't gone to any other SP. Unlike my relationship with former SPs, we do not meet outside of our working relationship but she does reveal certain facts about her own life, enhancing the naturalness of the relationships. This type of relationship suits me very well. I am not suggesting that this would suit all men equally. I would "stray" if the right opportunity came along but I am not actively searching for one. It's most likely that I would see a visiting SP as I've had real luck with them in the past. Even in those cases, money upfront is not always required and it's something which I always appreciate. Nonetheless, I appreciate why SPs do require money upfront and this thread has also been enlightening on that account.
I used to be in a similar situation. I'm still in touch with this lady and we know each other personally extremely well. When I was seeing her and she wasn't available if sort of felt like cheating to see anyone else. But we're pretty closse, hell I've even prepared her taxes returns for the last 3 years.
Hey "FunSugarDaddy", out of pure curiosity, I am wondering why you do not see this lady now; I mean on a professional basis. And do you still have a yen for her? And "Yes", I, too, have felt like I would be "cheating" to see anyone else but my "superego" had holes in it and so I did, on occasion, "cheat" without any self-recriminations. Also, again out of interest, do you charge her when you do her taxes. If not, why not?
I've had some conversations with a couple of ladies off of CL who said they were
looking for some extra cash. In one case the money after session requirement was
the deal breaker. In the other, who was a caucasian, i saw her a number of times
for "dates" for 100/hr. She claimed it was her first time doing this.
No, I wouldn't think of charging her to do her tax return. Basically once this SD-SB arrangement started I told myself my desire is to help this woman because she's a hard working single mother, who deserves it. And the fact she's gorgeous, well that probably facts into it on some level too. Yes, I have a yen to keep seeing her, but I've decided that don't mind continuing to help her even it she doesn't want to see me, provided the decision to help is on my terms.
I guess I am old school. I have been in professional service industry for many years and never ask for money up front. I likewise, do not generally pay for services up front, not hair dressers, accountants, lawyers, doctors, physio, therapeutic massage. I respect all service providers of all professions and always pay. I will pay even if service is lousy as I always keep my word and I pay at least what I promised, no matter what. They can short me but I will never short them. I often tip afterwards depending on level of service but I never tip any service provider of any profession when I prepay. Something like a coupon once it is prepaid, do not bring my wallet out again.
Anyway my experience has been 80% with payment afterwards and service level has always been better when they do not ask. I am a cautious person and it is red flag if a new girl and asked to pay up front, but if girl asks (it make sme nervous) but if situation appears cool, I pay up front to put her at ease.
The issue for me is not power, but ease of both sides. No lady likes to ask for money up front from a stranger as it makes her a target. ) Like escorts ask in ads for unmarked envelopes and leave it on table – why if once in privacy of condo, money can be freely discussed as Nina says? The answer is stings, which cannot happen (as a practical matter) until money is exchanged or sex is promised for money. No sting will go through with an appointment so there is a safety element in not receiving/paying money first. If a girl is a regular no need to pay up front and if new, she does not know if you are police. (and I do not know if she is a police agent).
I note police approached me in a professional capacity re a MP they wanted shut. Customer went in and asked for massage. Girl asked if he wanted extras and quoted two fees one with and one without, and when agent was hesitant, she described in graphic detail to apparently naïve customer what was included. Money given and accepted then Oh oh, police. The MP was shut. That is why there is a risk of paying first and why most Mp instruct their girls to start with a nude massage with fee for massage only quoted and only during the massage does the girl ask or even talk about other fees or services. Some massage girls will not even agree to a HJ until a second visit.
Anyway my experience has been 80% with payment afterwards and service level has always been better when they do not ask. I am a cautious person and it is red flag if a new girl and asked to pay up front, but if girl asks (it make sme nervous) but if situation appears cool, I pay up front to put her at ease.
The issue for me is not power, but ease of both sides. No lady likes to ask for money up front from a stranger as it makes her a target. ) Like escorts ask in ads for unmarked envelopes and leave it on table – why if once in privacy of condo, money can be freely discussed as Nina says? The answer is stings, which cannot happen (as a practical matter) until money is exchanged or sex is promised for money. No sting will go through with an appointment so there is a safety element in not receiving/paying money first. If a girl is a regular no need to pay up front and if new, she does not know if you are police. (and I do not know if she is a police agent).
I note police approached me in a professional capacity re a MP they wanted shut. Customer went in and asked for massage. Girl asked if he wanted extras and quoted two fees one with and one without, and when agent was hesitant, she described in graphic detail to apparently naïve customer what was included. Money given and accepted then Oh oh, police. The MP was shut. That is why there is a risk of paying first and why most Mp instruct their girls to start with a nude massage with fee for massage only quoted and only during the massage does the girl ask or even talk about other fees or services. Some massage girls will not even agree to a HJ until a second visit.
Re payment in advance: Funny story –my first time. Maybe this was how I got into the habit of not offering money up front?
I called a CL ad. The ad included massage. She asked what I wanted. I said massage. She quoted $200 for the hour. I said fine. She gave time and address. I went and buzzed. No answer. On leaving she came from across street and took me to her place across street. (I guess she wanted to see me first). She was actually a cute Caucasian girl. (She turned out by her admission to be 25 advertising as 23.)
When I entered I offered her the money. She looked at it but would not touch it. She then looked me in the eye and asked if I was a cop. (of course cops cannot lie!!) I said no!! She stared at me for a while and then she asked me to put the money on table (as if that mattered, but it did to her) . Anyway on to bed and once we were both naked, she says she does not do massage. What do I really want to do.
I called a CL ad. The ad included massage. She asked what I wanted. I said massage. She quoted $200 for the hour. I said fine. She gave time and address. I went and buzzed. No answer. On leaving she came from across street and took me to her place across street. (I guess she wanted to see me first). She was actually a cute Caucasian girl. (She turned out by her admission to be 25 advertising as 23.)
When I entered I offered her the money. She looked at it but would not touch it. She then looked me in the eye and asked if I was a cop. (of course cops cannot lie!!) I said no!! She stared at me for a while and then she asked me to put the money on table (as if that mattered, but it did to her) . Anyway on to bed and once we were both naked, she says she does not do massage. What do I really want to do.
And for the guys convinced that paying after wards gets them better sessions? I wonder how they measure that lol. Unless they are prepared to start paying everyone upfront (in other words, exactly as requested on the sps website etc), then why should I believe that they even know the difference.
excluding the guys who make it a "deal breaker" of course, using it as some sort of blackmail weapon.
The last ripoff story I heard was from an sp who had seen the guy regularly (more than 6 times) and he booked an overnighter. He decided to leave after 3 hours, instead, and while she had decided to get paid after, not before, is when she realized he hadn't even brought enough for the 3 hours, let alone the planned overnight rate. So what is it? Become a regular, and then rip her off once she starts agreeing to pay after the session?
excluding the guys who make it a "deal breaker" of course, using it as some sort of blackmail weapon.
The last ripoff story I heard was from an sp who had seen the guy regularly (more than 6 times) and he booked an overnighter. He decided to leave after 3 hours, instead, and while she had decided to get paid after, not before, is when she realized he hadn't even brought enough for the 3 hours, let alone the planned overnight rate. So what is it? Become a regular, and then rip her off once she starts agreeing to pay after the session?
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