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People often use this flawed logic in the debate on Canada's military. Those "vested interests" are always self-serving, and predatory. NATO is just a reflection of that ambition (one country acting as shot-caller for them all).

The price of calling upon such help is: that "friend" would then help themselves to everything that is ours, claiming their security interests as a pretext to override our sovereignty. Look up the war of 1812, Manifest Destiny and Monroe Doctrine, because those policies were never repudiated, just back-burnered. Even recently, that NATO designation has never stopped them from fucking allies over diplomatically, commercially, or legally - Canada or anyone else.

When the chips are down, or even if there is just the opportunity for advantage, anyone can turn against you. Declarations of friendship before are as meaningless as their apologies after - foolish to bade a defense policy on some kind of naive sentimentality.

Obviously Canada does not need a better military to go stomping around the world to build ourselves an empire, and it should not build up our military solely for the purpose of building up & defending someone else's.

But we do need at minimum to be able to defend our own territory, so that any other world power (yes, including our sometimes sketchy neighbour) understands it would be too painful if they ever tried to take what is actually ours. That's the only real kind of respect Canada will ever be able to rely on in the international scene.

On the other hand, having a reputation as some other great power's mealy-mouthed puppet causes the opposite reaction - an impression of weakness, inviting all sorts of belligerent disrespect, even from one's "allies".





These are two different debates: One is how big our military needs to be and what capabilities it needs to have - most would say is is under-strength and has been for some time. The other is about how we choose to use it, which is really a question of foreign policy and how much we feel like any particular conflict is really about upholding our interests versus fighting on behalf of someone else's ambitions.

These two aspects have an effect on each other, of course, but you have to watch carefully what sort of military capabilities we are building and why. All that extra spending is meaningless if what you have build is just a cog in someone else's big machine, and results in our military being unable to perform on its own. The weird thing about the debate is how those advocating standing on our own also seem to talk about spending less, when really that effort might require a bigger military overall; meanwhile those who advocate for increased capabilities and big military spending seem to also be the ones who'd let another country to make all our strategic decisions for us, and use our military more for supporting ill-conceived foreign interventions rather than actually defending Canada.

The 2% of GDP is a fairly arbitrary NATO benchmark, more of a buzzword than a real measure of capabilities or roles. If Canada is constantly named as falling below this "average", why is there no discussion of those countries (the US especially) that might be over-spending on their military above that level, and by doing do, neglecting their own peoples' lives at home? Are we really lackadaisical on defense, or do they just have an oversized military because they like to pick fights project power all over the world, and want us to support their activities more?

Even our G20 sized economy is still "small" enough to be affected by acquisitions of certain military hardware/platforms, which cost tens of billions each (frigates, fighters, radar warning networks, etc.). At the same time, if our civilian-side GDP grows, it makes us statistically look worse, even if it has not harmed our long-term military spending plans at all.

Perhaps it would just be better to just decide what capabilities we want need to have, and then focus on creating and keeping it. Getting sidetracked by metrics of what other countries or alliance bureaucrats want does not help the matters become any clearer or less expensive. Waiting for big decisions until there is some period without major overseas deployments is never going to happen (especially not when Canada keeps committing to them). The idiotic way our procurement system gets in its own way, while allowing corporate intrigues and massive cost overruns at the same time, is actually costing us capabilities. There should be much more decisiveness than there is, but have you ever known any such pronouncement to not be revealed as coming from some shady insider motivations? The brass have a Xmas wish list and half of them are working so hand-in-glove with companies like Lockheed, they might as well be salesmen (indeed many leave the Forces to become just that). Politicians don't tend to know very much, so they can be manipulated, or else have some agenda to push, even if that agenda is just to do some electioneering at the expense of their foes.

Canada, given our huge territory and sparse population, probably has a harder time than most defending what is actually ours, so you'd be right to say we need to do that more. But what are the real gaps we need to fill, and how do people intend to pay for it? Either raise taxes (which will cause political complaints), or gut some other area of government services (which will cause political complaints). Or hope that the world will be at peace long enough for our military to come home and rebuild itself inexpensively (LOL). And none of that answers the debate over what we actually expect our military to do, or rather who they are really doing it for.
It is not about the size of the military, it is about the experience of those that serve. I have seen some tough talking people, freeze, cry, and shit themselves in combat. The common denominator with those individuals lack of experience. The Canadian military has almost no experience in combat and some of the more pacifist Canadian citizens will say that is a good thing. Those same individuals do not understand the stress involved in combat.
Canada is a great peace loving nation that relies on the United States for protection. The same holds true about Japan. Would Canada, like Japan, file a protest if rocket man shot missiles over its territory? As a combat veteran, I would not want the United States to send its children to protect Japan and I believe there are a lot of people that feel the same way. I also would not want to see American soldiers to fight and die on behalf of Canada. Nations all over the world, live with an adversary at its border. The world is quickly changing, and I suspect the worst is yet to come. It will be interesting to see what occurs when China makes a move against Taiwan. Do American soldiers die fighting for an island thousands of miles away? In my small world I believe it should be more about national pride as well as the ability to defend your own country. If a bully takes your child’s lunch money in a schoolyard, do you think the child should run away and cry, or stand up for what belongs to him? If the child does not confront the bully, it is likely the child will never eat lunch at school. That is called life 101.
 

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As a combat veteran, I would not want the United States to send its children to protect Japan and I believe there are a lot of people that feel the same way. I also would not want to see American soldiers to fight and die on behalf of Canada. Nations all over the world, live with an adversary at its border. The world is quickly changing, and I suspect the worst is yet to come. It will be interesting to see what occurs when China makes a move against Taiwan. Do American soldiers die fighting for an island thousands of miles away?
Americans and Canadians died fighting for Europe during WW1 and WW2. It has happened in the past and can happen again. Citizens of other countries fighting and loosing their lives for a completely different country because they are fighting to defend values and freedoms.

Canada isn't at a risk of getting involved in a 1-1 war with any country. Any future war where Canada will be involved is going to be a multi country war likely instigated by china or Russia.

Taiwan isn't any random small island thousand of miles away. With TSMC and its dominance in semiconductor manufacturing, Taiwan has set itself up to be defended by other countries if it is ever under threat of occupation by china. Semiconductors fuel our modern world and world can not trust (and cannot afford) for that major chokepoint to be ever controlled by ccp.
 
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Americans and Canadians died fighting for Europe during WW1 and WW2. It has happened in the past and can happen again. Citizens of other countries fighting and loosing their lives for a completely different country because they are fighting to defend values and freedoms.

Canada isn't at a risk of getting involved in a 1-1 war with any country. Any future war where Canada will be involved is going to be a multi country war likely instigated by china or Russia.

Taiwan isn't any random small island thousand of miles away. With TSMC and its dominance in semiconductor manufacturing, Taiwan has set itself up to be defended by other countries if it is ever under threat of occupation by china. Semiconductors fuel our modern world and world can not trust (and cannot afford) for that major chokepoint to be ever controlled by ccp.
 

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It will be very interesting to see what happens with Taiwan after China makes a move. I know the American people are sick of war…….especially war’s political leaders indicate are in our best interest and fought on behalf of another country. It is doubtful that other countries will stand up to China without the U.S. Sadly, due to many things, most recently WOKE, the US military is not the most powerful nation in the world, that honor belongs to China. In 2015, I attended War Collage and almost every instructor told us, China will clean our clock. In 2017, as an exchange program, for three months, I attended the Whampoa Military Academy in Kaohsiung. The difference between West Point and Whampoa graduates, is night and day. China also knows most countries in NATO do not contribute the required 2% of their GDP, as a consequence, NATO is weak. Now think about the withdrawal from Afghanistan, Austin and Miley violated engagement 101 and Marines got killed by a sheep herder. Those two still have jobs, which I believe is outrageous. A person would have to live in a cave not to believe N. Korea, Russia, Syria, Iran and probably in the near future, India, are military allies. There are many people with much more experience than I that believe the Ukrainian fiasco is just a pre planned test of NATO’s response, which has basically been nothing, other than than depleting NATO of needed supplies and money. I think of it as the equivalent of being on a transatlantic flight at 30,000 feet when suddenly the oxygen masks fall from the ceiling. Common sense and training dictate that a person place the mask on themself before placing it on their child. However NATO placed the mask on Ukraine first. Sadly, Germany with its climate change agenda, could not cut off Russian oil, which is ironic. Just as pathetic, the United States ceased its energy independence and could not provide Europe with the oil it needed to cut off Russian supply. You mentioned the importance of semi conductors, which is absolutely correct, but what people do not understand is that China also provides needed equipment for the United States military to even function.

I am sure nobody in Canada wants to read this, but for all his faults, the world was much safer under Trump.

If Biden or a person like him wins in 2024, China will most certainly take Taiwan shortly thereafter, semiconductors, or not. If they are successful Southeast Asia will be next. President Xi is a very smart individual with strong ambition that will not play by the so called rules of war. IMHO, he is the leader of the most powerful nation on earth. I hope I’m wrong, but we live in scary times!
 
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It will be very interesting to see what happens with Taiwan after China makes a move. I know the American people are sick of war…….especially war’s political leaders indicate are in our best interest and fought on behalf of another country. It is doubtful that other countries will stand up to China without the U.S. Sadly, due to many things, most recently WOKE, the US military is not the most powerful nation in the world, that honor belongs to China. In 2015, I attended War Collage and almost every instructor told us, China will clean our clock. In 2017, as an exchange program, for three months, I attended the Whampoa Military Academy in Kaohsiung. The difference between West Point and Whampoa graduates, is night and day. China also knows most countries in NATO do not contribute the required 2% of their GDP, as a consequence, NATO is weak. Now think about the withdrawal from Afghanistan, Austin and Miley violated engagement 101 and Marines got killed by a sheep herder. Those two still have jobs, which I believe is outrageous. A person would have to live in a cave not to believe N. Korea, Russia, Syria, Iran and probably in the near future, India, are military allies. There are many people with much more experience than I that believe the Ukrainian fiasco is just a pre planned test of NATO’s response, which has basically been nothing, other than than depleting NATO of needed supplies and money. I think of it as the equivalent of being on a transatlantic flight at 30,000 feet when suddenly the oxygen masks fall from the ceiling. Common sense and training dictate that a person place the mask on themself before placing it on their child. However NATO placed the mask on Ukraine first. Sadly, Germany with its climate change agenda, could not cut off Russian oil, which is ironic. Just as pathetic, the United States ceased its energy independence and could not provide Europe with the oil it needed to cut off Russian supply. You mentioned the importance of semi conductors, which is absolutely correct, but what people do not understand is that China also provides needed equipment for the United States military to even function.

I am sure nobody in Canada wants to read this, but for all his faults, the world was much safer under Trump.

If Biden or a person like him wins in 2024, China will most certainly take Taiwan shortly thereafter, semiconductors, or not. If they are successful Southeast Asia will be next. President Xi is a very smart individual with strong ambition that will not play by the so called rules of war. IMHO, he is the leader of the most powerful nation on earth. I hope I’m wrong, but we live in scary times!
You lost me at India being an ally lmao. I am an indo Canadian and can tell you that is not the case.

Russia is our best friend for sure and there's historical reasons for it. Western nations supported our enemy in the past and even were willing to bomb India and the only thing stopping them was soviet union coming to India's rescue (look up how soviet union sent their submarines to Indian Ocean and hence stopped US and British navies from attacking India during the war of 1971 where India helped liberate Bangladesh). Western nations also gave weapons and money to pakistan while sanctioning India. Soviet Union meanwhile gave us cheap weapons and technological knowhow. US India ties only started improving under the Bush administration and have come a long way today. Indians are more close in values with US and western world. India has diversified its defense imports and is not solely depended on Russia anymore. So Indians have respect for Russians but that doesn't mean we support what Russia is doing in ukraine. Russia is also growing closer to china who happens to be our biggest enemy. So India has realized it can't be fully depended on Russia either and have diversified out to West. But at the same time India can't fully ignore Russia as western countries still need to cement the trust which Russia did over past decades. We also still need Russia for replacement parts for weapons and obviously since the war started, Indians are benefiting by importing cheap Russian oil.

Coming to Iran, India has invested in that country and has vested interest in that investment succeeding with trade in mind. Also another oilf source. Other than that Iran means nothing more for India.

North Korea and Syria will never be Indian allies period. We just don't share the same values. India is a democratic country (and the largest one in the world) while these are dictatorial countries.

Coming to china, as much as a united India and china would be a powerhouse, its just not possible until ccp runs china. They are Indias biggest enemies currently and the Indian sentiment towards the chinese is really bad because of the border skirmishes they keep having with us. India has been involved with Japan, Australia and US in indo pacific so that it can counter china. Although this Quad group isn't a full on military alliance, India has defense cooperation agreements with all the quad countries and regularly conducts joint drills with them. India also is selling weapons to southeast Asian countries like Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia to put pressure on china. china with their policies/steps/moves have managed to get themselves surrounded with counties which do not like them.

Some of your points seem valid but most of the people here will disagree with it but thats ok. I know I have exposure to diversified media sources and can look at the world through different lenses whereas most people here only have exposure to western media. Our modern world is quite complex because global trade is quite interlaced and we have made ourselves too dependent on few growing bad countries (china for our electronics and other goods for example and Europe made itself dependent on Russia for oil and gas) we can't just stop the trade immediately as that will affect us negatively but we can do our best to diversify the supply chains and not be depended on one entity.
 
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You lost me at India being an ally lmao. I am an indo Canadian and can tell you that is not the case.

Russia is our best friend for sure and there's historical reasons for it. Western nations supported our enemy in the past and even were willing to bomb India and the only thing stopping them was soviet union coming to India's rescue (look up how soviet union sent their submarines to Indian Ocean and hence stopped US and British navies from attacking India during the war of 1971 where India helped liberate Bangladesh). Western nations also gave weapons and money to pakistan while sanctioning India. Soviet Union meanwhile gave us cheap weapons and technological knowhow. US India ties only started improving under the Bush administration and have come a long way today. Indians are more close in values with US and western world. India has diversified its defense imports and is not solely depended on Russia anymore. So Indians have respect for Russians but that doesn't mean we support what Russia is doing in ukraine. Russia is also growing closer to china who happens to be our biggest enemy. So India has realized it can't be fully depended on Russia either and have diversified out to West. But at the same time India can't fully ignore Russia as western countries still need to cement the trust which Russia did over past decades. We also still need Russia for replacement parts for weapons and obviously since the war started, Indians are benefiting by importing cheap Russian oil.

Coming to Iran, India has invested in that country and has vested interest in that investment succeeding with trade in mind. Also another oilf source. Other than that Iran means nothing more for India.

North Korea and Syria will never be Indian allies period. We just don't share the same values. India is a democratic country (and the largest one in the world) while these are dictatorial countries.

Coming to china, as much as a united India and china would be a powerhouse, its just not possible until ccp runs china. They are Indias biggest enemies currently and the Indian sentiment towards the chinese is really bad because of the border skirmishes they keep having with us. India has been involved with Japan, Australia and US in indo pacific so that it can counter china. Although this Quad group isn't a full on military alliance, India has defense cooperation agreements with all the quad countries and regularly conducts joint drills with them. India also is selling weapons to southeast Asian countries like Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia to put pressure on china. china with their policies/steps/moves have managed to get themselves surrounded with counties which do not like them.

Some of your points seem valid but most of the people here will disagree with it but thats ok. I know I have exposure to diversified media sources and can look at the world through different lenses whereas most people here only have exposure to western media. Our modern world is quite complex because global trade is quite interlaced and we have made ourselves too dependent on few growing bad countries (china for our electronics and other goods for example and Europe made itself dependent on Russia for oil and gas) we can't just stop the trade immediately as that will affect us negatively but we can do our best to diversify the supply chains and not be depended on one entity.
As for India, I only repeated what was taught, I forgot where, but probably war collage. Pakistan and India are constantly in conflict and although I am not an expert in international affairs, I know history has shown alliances often occur with countries whose culture is opposite. 10 years ago nobody would have ever thought Saudi Arabia and Israel could become friends. This is just a guess, but alliances form because it is probably related to the lesser of the two evils as well as what is most beneficial to the countries involved. I also believe India is very smart for withstanding pressure to boycott Russian oil, but that position angered most NATO nations. The longer cheap Russian oil flows into India, the more dependent Indian people are on cheap oil. I am just pontificating, but I think it logical people in India are using money saved with cheap oil to improve living conditions, and invest in infrastructure, amongst other things. As an example, during the 2008 financial crisis in the United States, cheap money was available to just about everyone. People that could not afford a BMW suddenly had three, people that could not afford a house on the coast, suddenly had 2. Now that inflation is out of control, those same individuals are starting to lose their cars and homes for which they have become accustomed and they are not happy about it. I did not mean to imply India is bad in any way, shape or form. The world is in unchartered territory, and nobody knows what will happen.

Although religion is a factor of war in the Middle East, most wars are fought for economic reasons, including economic survival. Until recently, China and Russia only tolerated one another, but if you believe today’s media report, they have become very good friends, which to me is frightening. In my previous life I was a war fighter and military strategist, in order to survive I had to plan for the unexpected and what ifs. I am not a spring chicken and I can say with confidence that the world is on the brink of a disaster not seen in my lifetime. Putin has been declared a criminal and most of the world is trying to economically strangle Russia. If a lion is placed in a corner, even though it faces certain death, it will strike. I think it is crazy to support Ukraine with weapons and money, just like I would think it would be crazy to support Japan if it were attacked. I have nothing against the people in either of those countries, it just doesn’t make sense, in cost of blood and money, to support a country that contributes very little to the rest of the world. If Ukraine is so important to the free world, why doesn’t the free world send it’s military? My theory is, the citizens of the world, want a warm and fuzzy feeling because they believe they are supporting the people of Ukraine, but those same citizens do not think that Ukrainian people are important enough to send their sons and daughters into war. What would happen to Justin Trudeau if he announced that he is sending a regiment of Canadian soldiers to Ukraine?
 

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Completely incorrect. Any type of invasion build up would be transparent to satellites and Canada would look to the US for support immediately. With their naval and air power, the invasion force doesn't even make the shore.
Not if the invasion force was disguised as immigrants and tourists.....
 

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Not if the invasion force was disguised as immigrants and tourists.....
In a perfect world……MAYBE,…… but don’t forget the US did not even detect a huge Chinese balloon until after it was half way across the country and spotted by a farmer. That is the problem, people rely on the government to do its job. Government employees, military or not, get lazy and complacent. Those employees monitor satellite data. Special Ops and drone strikes get a lot of press, but nothing is a replacement for boots on the ground and speaking from a ton of experience, those wearing the boots need solid leaders. Most people do not know that two Marines whom died at Hamid Karzai International Airport during the withdrawal, spotted the bomber before the bomb detonated. They radioed a Marine Major and requested permission to fire on the terrorist. The Major’s reply was, “standby while I get permission”. After a few minutes, the Marines asked again, the Major responded, ”I don’t know.” 90 seconds later 11 Marines and two others died in the explosion. I started as a Marine and later went to what is now called MARSOC. Basic Leadership School taught, “make the best decisions possible with the information you have at the time and you will succeed in battle.” Don’t even get me started on the tactics used during the withdrawal. That was a shit show from the beginning and violated basic infantry school tactics. Miley, Austin,Kirby and that Major should have lost their jobs, but none did and are still in leadership positions. I am sure there are many more military officers like the one above. Are those the kind of people you want to trust to defend your nation, monitor satellites and make decisions? One more point, why do you think the US Government and many others will pay a qualified Security Contractor 50k-100k per month? …….the military does not have people with skill sets they can spare.

The so called intelligence agencies are often wrong. Military budgetary constraints are wide spread in the West whereas China places military funding on top. Dear God, most NATO members don’t even put up the REQUIRED 2% of their GDP. I know for a fact that the US military recently put racial quotas on promotion boards and pilot training. That is what I know, my guess is it is widespread.
 

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Guess what, you're in.

I guess you have never heard of this organization, NATO? Must have cut class that day in military collage.

I still call bullshit
Call it all you want. You post your resume, I will post mine. In the US, it is called a DD214…..google it and show me the Canadian equivalent. Oh wait, Canadian solders have not experienced combat for decades. Just for clarity, I specifically mean awards, medals and passport stamps, not video games. How much time have you spent in a war torn country……my guess…..ZERO, but your passport could make me a liar……please make me a liar! Even a security contractor needs a passport and visa, but you could not know that, because video games just require a monitor. Just like dirty money, there is a trail, which cannot be disputed. Typical keyboard warrior!

NATO…….don’t you mean the US, because without the US, NATO is worthless. Just a guess, you are one of many that want the US taxpayer to come to your country’s aid. You probably prefer to spend Canadian tax dollars on social programs, which is admirable. After all, the United States owes Canada. The hell with the US taxpayer! In other words, you were the kid called “lunch money” in grammar school. Other kids took your money and instead of standing up for yourself, you cried …….teacher! Evidently your father did not tell you, the strong will always be prey upon the weak and when shit hits the fan, there are few people you can trust to have your back. Now sonny, call my bluff and post your resume!
 

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After a few requests and a bit of editing I’ve reopened this thread, the rules to keep it open are simple. All opinions are welcome insults are not!
 

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You lost me at India being an ally lmao. I am an indo Canadian and can tell you that is not the case.

Russia is our best friend for sure and there's historical reasons for it. Western nations supported our enemy in the past and even were willing to bomb India and the only thing stopping them was soviet union coming to India's rescue (look up how soviet union sent their submarines to Indian Ocean and hence stopped US and British navies from attacking India during the war of 1971 where India helped liberate Bangladesh). Western nations also gave weapons and money to pakistan while sanctioning India. Soviet Union meanwhile gave us cheap weapons and technological knowhow. US India ties only started improving under the Bush administration and have come a long way today. Indians are more close in values with US and western world. India has diversified its defense imports and is not solely depended on Russia anymore. So Indians have respect for Russians but that doesn't mean we support what Russia is doing in ukraine. Russia is also growing closer to china who happens to be our biggest enemy. So India has realized it can't be fully depended on Russia either and have diversified out to West. But at the same time India can't fully ignore Russia as western countries still need to cement the trust which Russia did over past decades. We also still need Russia for replacement parts for weapons and obviously since the war started, Indians are benefiting by importing cheap Russian oil.

Coming to Iran, India has invested in that country and has vested interest in that investment succeeding with trade in mind. Also another oilf source. Other than that Iran means nothing more for India.

North Korea and Syria will never be Indian allies period. We just don't share the same values. India is a democratic country (and the largest one in the world) while these are dictatorial countries.

Coming to china, as much as a united India and china would be a powerhouse, its just not possible until ccp runs china. They are Indias biggest enemies currently and the Indian sentiment towards the chinese is really bad because of the border skirmishes they keep having with us. India has been involved with Japan, Australia and US in indo pacific so that it can counter china. Although this Quad group isn't a full on military alliance, India has defense cooperation agreements with all the quad countries and regularly conducts joint drills with them. India also is selling weapons to southeast Asian countries like Philippines, Vietnam and Indonesia to put pressure on china. china with their policies/steps/moves have managed to get themselves surrounded with counties which do not like them.

Some of your points seem valid but most of the people here will disagree with it but thats ok. I know I have exposure to diversified media sources and can look at the world through different lenses whereas most people here only have exposure to western media. Our modern world is quite complex because global trade is quite interlaced and we have made ourselves too dependent on few growing bad countries (china for our electronics and other goods for example and Europe made itself dependent on Russia for oil and gas) we can't just stop the trade immediately as that will affect us negatively but we can do our best to diversify the supply chains and not be depended on one entity.
Apparently China and India are no longer enemies
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/29/sau...ity-bloc-as-ties-with-beijing-strengthen.html
 

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The SCO is becoming the go-to club for nations that refuse "western" (really US) military hegemony & political norms.
This does not mean that they will be all-smiles across their disputed border. Just going into a period where they turn down their belligerence in the short term.
Still, better than two more nuclear-armed major powers threatening to fuck each other up.
 

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The SCO is becoming the go-to club for nations that refuse "western" (really US) military hegemony & political norms.
This does not mean that they will be all-smiles across their disputed border. Just going into a period where they turn down their belligerence in the short term.
Still, better than two more nuclear-armed major powers threatening to fuck each other up.
The US is a bully and in many cases, cannot be trusted, so I do not blame countries for joining the SCO
 

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Again we have different thoughts about where taxpayer money should be used. We are on extreme ends of the spectrum here and thats alright. We get to have our own opinions in this free country. I do not and will never support defense spending. Canada does not have a direct threat and chances of a war breaking out in North American soil is pretty low. The next war frontier if it ever happens is going to be Asia/Indo-pacific region.

Lots of countries are surviving being dependent on other countries for defense support. Nothing wrong with that.

Let's take care of our people and spend money on Healthcare, education and infrastructure first as again chances of us getting involved in a conflict is pretty low.
We do agree! I feel the US should just take care of itself and forget NATO. US tax dollars should be spent in the US…..PERIOD! If hypothetically Canada or Mexico were struck, many nations live with a foe at the border, so who cares. It is especially true when countries do not spend the required 2% of GDP on defense. There are 30 member countries that belong to NATO and only nine contribute the required 2% and Canada is not one, which I think is smart, because they live under the umbrella of American taxpayers. However, an additional 20 member countries suck up American tax dollars as well and instead of contributing, the 2%, they spend the money on their citizens. Although Ukraine is not a member of NATO and NATO countries waited until after the invasion to send support, none of which is soldiers, Ukraine cannot be that important to the world. I do not buy the garbage that Putin will not stop at Ukraine, nobody knows what Putin will do, and it is stupid to spend money and lives on a corrupt country that did nothing for the United States, other than pay Hunter Biden millions of dollars. The United States told its citizens that we had to stop north Vietnam, or communism would spread. The United States also told us, Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction, neither of which was true. Like you with Canada, I believe US tax dollars should be spent on people that live in the United States. Yesterday I attended the funeral of a friend that got killed in Syria last week, he died for absolutely nothing! Having said that, although I do not agree with all of Trumps policies, I do agree with America comes first. I do disagree with your opinion that it is OK for other countries to be dependent on the United States for defense. Those are my tax dollars and the military members that get killed and maimed are mostly sons and daughters of Americans. There is absolutely no reason that an American soldier should die for a country, whose citizens refuse to support, fight, and die for their own country.
 
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To judge whether Putin or Stalin are competitors in the game of death and destruction is a reflection of the sad state of the world. Here we are in 2023, with two world wars under our belt, and we are still creating bullies that believe settling conflict requires bullets and bombs. This to me is mind numbing. I hope for humanities continued existence we can find a way to live in peace.
 

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To judge whether Putin or Stalin are competitors in the game of death and destruction is a reflection of the sad state of the world. Here we are in 2023, with two world wars under our belt, and we are still creating bullies that believe settling conflict requires bullets and bombs. This to me is mind numbing. I hope for humanities continued existence we can find a way to live in peace.
I agree with everything you wrote, but unfortunately reality does not work that way. I am in no way a Putin supporter, but I do believe the Ukraine mess MAY have been avoided and Europe, Ukraine and the West played a role. On a similar topic, if news reports are correct, Macron recently met with Xi and then Macron indicated European countries should stay out of a China/Taiwan war, which I personally applaud. However, France and most of Europe wants the US to support Ukraine. Although I wish the US would stay out of Taiwan as well, Macron’s position is ironic being that a war will China will make Ukraine appear to be a walk in the park. Regardless, the strong will always prey upon the weak and the time to become strong is before a bully is on your doorstep. However, only 9 of 30 countries contribute the agreed upon 2% of GDP to NATO, then when bullets start to fly, those same countries cry for US help. As a former war fighter and US taxpayer, I find that attitude disgusting!
 
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