Why so few girls provide BBBJ?

[SeekSteadyRegSP]

A bit to add

Why is "lesbian sex" considered the safest method of sex? This is not a promotion to munch on unprotected box given the opportunity, BUT the vagina hosts an anti-bacterial fluid called lactobacilli that protects the vagina from diseases, the vagina cleans itself not much different from the self-cleaning oven. The penis does not clean itself. There, I said it. There is the reason why so many SPs are open to DATY, and even better if they generally practice safe sex (no bb anything).

She's certainly right on many counts. The vagina is both internal and it comes equipped with its own cleansing system. Were it not for the impacts of sexual partners, it would be the cleanest place on or about the human body.

Furthermore, it is particularly difficult for genital herpes to take root in a place where oral herpes already exists, and with most people already having oral herpes, it is low-risk to "munch on unprotected box" for the munch-ER.

Some people should really stop and think about what questions they are asking before they post...
Even if I were a male, I wouldn't even want an escort giving me a bbbj, my health and safety are much more important then any blow. Use your head people!!

Unprotected oral sex on a male is downright dangerous in terms of STD's going both ways, and the world's oldest profession would probably do well to evolve to take that into consideration.

So then you don't allow DATY then Stacy?

This, clearly, doesn't relate to the statement she made.

BJ and DATY are two very different things.

There is more risk for the SP giving head than her receiving oral. I've already stated the differences.

-The good SPs ... don't engage in BBBJ, BBFS, CIM. They are still considered good, reputable, safe even if they partake in DATY. ... Pooners who are already in a relationship who happen to seek the company of an SP will most likely not stay faithful to the SP. A little herpes here, pass it on unknowingly to another SP there via BBBJ.

Are we getting a better understanding of this?

-Though most STDs have very noticable symptoms, many are still transmittable with very few symptoms (flat, flesh coloured lesions indicative to herpes), now you're utterly fucked when you get herpes in your mouth.

Avarice, you should know better.

Lustingasians, check your sources again, HIV/AIDS isn't the only concern, syphillis is on the rise amongst sex trade workers. Gee, I wonder why?

Except for the part where she seems to ignore that most humans already have "herpes" in their mouths, she's right on target with most of this.

As stated before, the good news in that, for the one performing oral on a woman, is that it is extremely difficult for Symplex II herpes to take root in a mouth already affected with Symplex I.

Clinically, the only known risk for females allowing unprotected oral sex on themselves is "Herpes", and that is indeed far less a risk than are the multitude of risks in performing unprotected oral sex on a male.

On one of my few previous posts at this board, is a link to the San Francisco board of health which has a great chart listing the various risks involved in these unprotected sexual activities. (for anyone who cares to do a search)

 

[lenny]

with most people already having oral herpes, it is low-risk to "munch on unprotected box" for the munch-ER.

I would be quite concerned about possible HIV/AIDS, etc,
in her periodical blood flow. So unprotected is out for me.

 

[lenny]

Unprotected oral sex on a male is downright dangerous in terms of STD's going both ways, and the world's oldest profession would probably do well to evolve to take that into consideration.

If it's so dangerous then why am i healthy?

From the comments in this thread it appears that many more SP's
practice BBBJ than advertize it. Are they stupid? I think not.

 

[lenny]

I prefer to play the safety game!!!!!!!! (just my 2 cents worth!)

Please stay in your home, for out there waiting for you is
SARS, West Nile Virus, Flesh Eating Disease, Asian Flu, AIDS,
& god knows a zillion other things. Unfortunately, though,
most accidents happen at home, besides the radiation from
your PC & the stale air.

We are all dying. It's just a matter of time. And that time
could be today for anyone of us. Some prefer to go out
fast in a blaze of esctasy. Other slow & safe.

 

[SeekSteadyRegSP]

I would be quite concerned about possible HIV/AIDS, etc,
in her periodical blood flow. So unprotected is out for me.

Lenny, really, some education would be a good investment no matter your present age. BBBJ on you is many times more likely to bring you STD's than might DATY you-on-her.

If it's so dangerous then why am i healthy?

From the comments in this thread it appears that many more SP's
practice BBBJ than advertize it. Are they stupid? I think not.

And you're probably "healthy" because you're not really getting so much BB attention, or because your number just hasn't come up yet.

Something tells me that the only applicable reference to stupid here relates to "advertize". The others are more like careless.

 

[Creole Lady Marmalade]

Sorry Lenny but

Seeks is totally right,

it is only a matter of time before you get an STD or be giving an STD to someone.

Here's another way to look at it. You get in your car and put on a seat belt. The belt doesn't guarantee that you won't get into an accident and get injured but it will prevent most, if not all, serious injury. You don't think twice about it.

Sex related infections are almost too embarassing to admit to a doctor. Why go through all that trouble. Wrap the pickle. Prevent.

 

[sheena west]

I am going to sum this whole thread up right now. Bbbj is inappropriate while working as an SP. There are various reasons why, but it all comes down to selfesteem. I mean, is risking your health and family and him risking his health and wife and family worth 5-10 mins of pleasure worth a possible std that will be with you for the the rest of your life, for instance, something like herpes. That can spread so easily. How about not being able to kiss your children goodnight in fear that you may pass it to them? What about your wife your or husband? Is the risk of passing it to them really fair? If you don't care about yourself enough that it doesn't matter to you and money is more important than your whole future, than carry on Canada, fill your boots, giver nails, who am I to judge? Just keep in mind that what your doing right now is'nt going to be the rest of your life. Your destined future will soon arrive, and you will start to love and respect yourself. Also, I feel that bbbj is something personal and should be with someone you trust.

 

[lenny]

Lenny, really, some education would be a good investment no matter your present age. BBBJ on you is many times more likely to bring you STD's than might DATY you-on-her.

HIV/AIDS is a top concern for me, far more so than the many
minor things one can get {none of which i've ever gotten BTW}.
In that regard i feel far safer with BBBJ than licking at a blood
stream {not that i have ever had any interest in going there,
anyay, even if it were never bloody}.

And you're probably "healthy" because you're not really getting so much BB attention, or because your number just hasn't come up yet.

Let's say hypothetically someone had recieved BBBJ's from 2
dozen drug using skid row SW's over a 1 year period for a
total of 50 BBBJ's. What are the odds his number hasn't come
up yet?

 

[Lolita]

Hey everyone, Lenny has volunteered himself for the experiment of BBBJ with SPs from Pigeon Park all in the name of science.

Babe, I don't think the SPs are stupid just misguided or misinformed, but I sure think YOU are stupid! I freaks me out that you think HIV/AIDS is the only infection to be concerned about.

 

[TantheMan]

When I talked to the healthcare worker about this exact topic a few weeks ago (I make a habit of getting tested - I like to be safe) she told me the following:
There are no reported cases of the recipient of a blow job contracting HIV this way. The saliva in the mouth is far too hostile an environment for the virus to live.
There is always a possabiliy that it could happen (ie bleeding gums etc) but it is unlikely. No reported cases via this method does not mean it has not happened, it just means there are no known cases on record thus far.
Note: Gonorhea, herpes and several other STDs can easily be transmitted this way. The risk of infection when having oral sex with a partner that is infected with these STDs is noteable.
Though kissing has a risk of infection, the risk is significantly lower (again, due to saliva/proximity/method of entry).
Oral sex is less risky to a man pleasuring a woman, than giving a blow job is to a woman, but risk is still present for both partners.

In the end, as expected - she said keep it covered at all times to be safest.
HIV tests are only really considered accurate after 6 months from contact (97% after 3 months)
Syphillis is 2 months after contact.
Most others within a month.

"Feeling" healthy mean nothing, nor does looking healthy.

That's all I can remember from our conversation.

The best person to ask about safety would be a health care worker with training, education, and experience in these matters.

 

[lenny]

I freaks me out that you think HIV/AIDS is the only infection to be concerned about.

I never said that. Here is what i posted:

"HIV/AIDS is a top concern for me, far more so than the many
minor things one can get {none of which i've ever gotten BTW}.
In that regard i feel far safer with BBBJ than licking at a blood
stream {not that i have ever had any interest in going there,
anyway, even if it were never bloody}."

 

[lenny]

BBBJ on you is many times more likely to bring you STD's than might DATY you-on-her.

As a further comment, please note that i did not dispute that.
What i said was...

"I would be quite concerned about possible HIV/AIDS, etc,
in her periodical blood flow. So unprotected is out for me."

 

[lenny]

I’ve traveled to some cities around the United Sates, like San Francisco, Los Angeles, Phoenix, and Seattle, and it’s my impression that a significantly higher fraction of providers in these cities provide BBBJ than do Vancouver providers. And I’m not talking about ‘VIP’ providers, but those charging in the $300 (US) range.

The following comment is from this thread:

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=26752&highlight=safe+BBBJ

Originally Posted by johnyj

bbbjs are no big deal on other boards/ cities in Canada. Most SPs in Montreal offer it and many in Southern Ont. as well.

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That is absolutely true. My guess is that about half of the Toronto area SP`s now provide BBBJ to most clients. There was a time, a few years ago, when escorts there didn`t want it mentioned in reviews that they provided BBBJ, because such mention might result in their being inundated with requests for that service. Now, BBBJ is so readily available there that it is routinely mentioned in reviews on TERB. There was even a recent thread there on BBBJTC providers. The list became VERY long, and it didn`t even include many of the more prominent ladies who are known to provide it to at least some clients.

In Montreal, I would guess that close to 80% of the SP`s provide BBBJ. If you read the reviews on MERB, BBBJTC is now routinely mentioned, and it rarely raises eyebrows. In both Montreal and Toronto, there are even some ladies who openly advertise BBBJTC on their web sites. There isn`t much of a correlation between price and service, but if there is one at all, it`s that the "elite" (i.e. higher priced) ladies are more likely to provide BBBJ than the lower priced ladies.

There will never be a consensus on BBBJ, but I know from other boards that the pro-BBBJ pooners probably outnumber the pro-CBJ pooners by a factor of 3 or 4 to 1. That`s just among posters; if the lurkers were included, the ratio would probably be higher.

Nearly all pooners make a very clear distinction between BBBJ and BBFS. The latter is universally regarded as way too risky. It hasn`t happened recently, but I have been offered BBFS by Winnipeg providers in the past, and I had no problem turning them down. The big head overruled the little one. However, a few months ago, I received a PM from a prominent PERB member who told me he was receiving BBFS from a local lady. I was absolutely floored when he identified her (she`s not a member of PERB, AFAIK). Since he said this in a PM, and I hadn`t asked anyway, he would have had no reason to make it up.

The bottom line is that no one, SP or pooner, should engage in activities outside their own comfort zone. However, characterizing a BBBJ provider as somehow beneath a CBJ-only provider is unfair and unjustified.

 

[lenny]

1. Seeks is totally right,

2. it is only a matter of time before you get an STD or be giving an STD to someone.

3. Here`s another way to look at it. You get in your car and put on a seat belt. The belt doesn`t guarantee that you won`t get into an accident and get injured but it will prevent most, if not all, serious injury. You don`t think twice about it.

4. Sex related infections are almost too embarassing to admit to a doctor. Why go through all that trouble. Wrap the pickle. Prevent.

1. I have not said Seeks is right or wrong about anything. What i did
was post my experience & ask questions.

2. You say it is only a matter of time before an STD lands if i continue
recieving BBBJ`s, but how can you know this, what are the odds, or
how many decades will it take? Perhaps i will have died of natural
causes before then, if not from WWIII or something else. BTW, one
poster here claims to be healthy after having recieved it from 400
different women....

"I am not a big BJ guy myself, in fact I prefer to go down on the girl while getting a hand job. However, I have probably had BBBJ from about 400 different girls in my lifetime. And to the best of my knowledge am disease free. Experience would therefore dictate that it is a safe and pleasurable activity for those who are inclined to partake in it.

"But my preference is a 69 position while eating the girl out and receiving a hand job....This is da bomb."

"bigdee Your Young Girl Guy Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Calgary Posts: 280"

https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=27081&highlight=safe+BBBJ

After i recieve a BBBJ i have tried to do some things that may be
healthy, namely {a} pee, {b} wash with peroxide, {c} spray or
wash with a colloidal silver solution.

3. I don`t know if the seat belt analogy is a good one. BTW, using one may
end my life sooner because i agonize with tight things around my waist.

4. I would not be embarassed to tell my doctor if i got an STD.

p.s. whether or not i will continue to recieve BBBJ`s from most
any woman, or restrict myself to certain ones, or quit entirely
or till i find a GF/SO remains to be seen. I will reconsider the
whole subject & review again the debates on PERB. Perhaps
i will also try how it feels with a CBJ, especially with an
oriental type condom i`ve heard is like skin on skin.

 

[lenny]

Hey everyone, Lenny has volunteered himself for the experiment of BBBJ with SPs from Pigeon Park all in the name of science.

Babe, how is it you are so familiar with Pigeon Park? ;

Rhetorical question.

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Variant(s): also rhe·tor·ic /ri-'tor-ik, -'tär-/
Function: adjective
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[lenny]

Note: Gonorhea, herpes and several other STDs can easily be transmitted this way. The risk of infection when having oral sex with a partner that is infected with these STDs is noteable.
Though kissing has a risk of infection, the risk is significantly lower (again, due to saliva/proximity/method of entry).

Why would the risk for kissing be less than for a BBBJ? It says here
due to saliva/proximity/method of entry, yet saliva is involved in
both kissing & BBBJ. And the entry of liquids, including blood, from
one person to another, seems like it would be easier in deep kissing.

 

[Paris]

Anything unprotected is out! Period. It's my health, and nobody will care about that in this business except for me.

Paris/Caryn

 

[lenny]

Anything unprotected is out! Period. It's my health, and nobody will care about that in this business except for me.

Paris/Caryn

So...

No HJ w/o a condom
No kissing of any kind
No skin to skin contact


Hopefully the condom won't break or come off inside you
& the balls won't touch your body.

 

[Lolita]

What?

Who the hell licks up a gal surfing the crimson wave?

 

[Maury Beniowski]

I do!

It's not as bad as you think.

No different than licking your own blood off your lip...