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I would have guessed since we're in the west coast of North America that there will be plenty of alternatives to non pros lol. Anyone want to chime in why the east coast has a better sex industry? I am also aware that Canada and the US don't match up to some countries in Asia or most of Europe and forgot to mention HK club in Tijuana Mexico where I heard it's top notch with variety and quality.
 
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I would have guessed since we're in the west coast of North America that there will be plenty of alternatives to non pros lol. Anyone want to chime in why the east coast has a better sex industry? I am also aware that Canada and the US don't match up to some countries in Asia or most of Europe.
So without mentioning price, what's the problem with the west coast compared to the east coast?
 

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I would have guessed since we're in the west coast of North America that there will be plenty of alternatives to non pros lol. Anyone want to chime in why the east coast has a better sex industry? I am also aware that Canada and the US don't match up to some countries in Asia or most of Europe.
You're crazy. Vancouver is the Xanadu of pricing and abundant sp options.
 

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Pretty simple economics.

In Europe and SE Asia it’s funded by out of country money where the clients are in a very different financial position than the SWs.

In a similar fashion real estate here is at the mercy of out of country investment. SWs gotta live here and pay rent too.

I personally think it’s pretty good here.The places where it’s “better” - well better for who?
 

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Um, sorry no. Not even close. Montreal and Toronto both have far more well rounded industries and Canada is lame compared to many other countries.

None of this is the fault of the ladies who are working in the business here, doing the best they can to make a living and play the cards they have been dealt. There is no good reason for anyone to work for less than what they want to charge and the market will bear. Who wouldn't rather see half as many clients for twice the rate and make the same money? Nobody loves dick that much.

Vancouver is far too heavily weighted towards the AMP scene and it skews the whole business as a result. It also sours (or spoils) the client base, as any indy in town will tell you, many guys are cheap, rude, ignorant assholes a lot of the time, and they either got there from learning their approach with an Asian micro, where they get used to paying low rates and treating girls poorly. The competition in that arena is brutal, and they don't like outsiders. That's why there are so many fake reviews, good and bad. There are ton of ladies who still won't tour here because of fake bookings and worse from unknown entities in Vancouver. We have seen a group of ladies break that trend recently, but interestingly enough, none of them are mid-market, they are nearly all premium priced ladies who don't compete with micros anyway and as a result might be harassed a little less.

I think a big part is that we are missing a vibrant agency sector, there are what 3 or 4 half decent agencies here and they are tiny in size compared to those in Toronto and Montreal. Out east, a good agency will have between 20 and 50 ladies on the roster, with 10 working every day at least, often more. Only Carman Fox has that kind of profile here and a big chunk of their listed girls are either gone or some other version of gone, listed as traveling or whatever. As a result, we are missing a whole "middle" part of the market here. A well run agency is a safe place for ladies new to the industry to learn, and it can also provide client screening, drivers, and host of other supports. Many agencies out east put a lot of time and effort into mentoring and training the ladies, and they have tiered pricing to allow growth and development as time goes on. Imagine if 6456 had 40 ladies with 20 available at any given time.

Even the indy scene here is comparatively smaller than out east, where there are many more options, at every price point. It's also population and size of the industry, Toronto is 2-3X Vancouver's size. There is also something to be said for the cost of living out here. It makes everything more expensive and as such limits choice for those who cannot afford the market rate. We should consider ourselves lucky, it could be a lot worse with the kind of pressure LE puts on in the USA. Pooning in Seattle is a fucking nightmare compared to Vancouver.

I can't wait for COVID to unclench everyone's asshole so I can get on a plane and poon out east again.
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None of this is the fault of the ladies who are working in the business here, doing the best they can to make a living and play the cards they have been dealt. There is no good reason for anyone to work for less than what they want to charge and the market will bear. Who wouldn't rather see half as many clients for twice the rate and make the same money? Nobody loves dick that much.
People always mention price. Yup it's cheaper out east but not by leaps and bounds. Secret escorts charge about 320/hr. Toronto Passions is 300/hr. Montreal Euphoria Girls is 250/hr. Montreal VOG is about 260/h. The way people talk about it, you figure the prices in the east were 100-150 range. Yes, you see can see 6 girls in the East for the price 5 girls in the West.

Vancouver is far too heavily weighted towards the AMP scene and it skews the whole business as a result. It also sours (or spoils) the client base, as any indy in town will tell you, many guys are cheap, rude, ignorant assholes a lot of the time, and they either got there from learning their approach with an Asian micro, where they get used to paying low rates and treating girls poorly. The competition in that arena is brutal, and they don't like outsiders. That's why there are so many fake reviews, good and bad. There are ton of ladies who still won't tour here because of fake bookings and worse from unknown entities in Vancouver. We have seen a group of ladies break that trend recently, but interestingly enough, none of them are mid-market, they are nearly all premium priced ladies who don't compete with micros anyway and as a result might be harassed a little less.
Don't have anything to say about this because I haven't been to an AMP in ages. Anyone that tours out here thinking they can compete with the micros in terms of price point definitely haven't done their homework.

I think a big part is that we are missing a vibrant agency sector, there are what 3 or 4 half decent agencies here and they are tiny in size compared to those in Toronto and Montreal. Out east, there are dozens and a good agency will have between 20 and 50 ladies on the roster, with 10 working every day at least, often more. Only Carman Fox has that kind of profile here and a big chunk of their listed girls are either gone or some other version of gone, listed as traveling or whatever. As a result, we are missing a whole "middle" part of the market here. A well run agency is a safe place for ladies new to the industry to learn, and it can also provide client screening, drivers, and host of other supports. Many agencies out east put a lot of time and effort into mentoring and training the ladies, and they have tiered pricing to allow growth and development as time goes on. Imagine if 6456 had 40 ladies with 20 available at any given time.

Even the indy scene here is comparatively smaller than out east, where there are many more options, at every price point. It's also population and size of the industry, Toronto is 2-3X Vancouver's size. There is also something to be said for the cost of living out here. It makes everything more expensive and as such limits choice for those who cannot afford the market rate. We should consider ourselves lucky, it could be a lot worse with the kind of pressure LE puts on in the USA. Pooning in Seattle is a fucking nightmare compared to Vancouver.
So your point here doesn't sound like you want more middle-men (agencies) but just more sheer quantity of providers. Like you said, that's just a function of population size. Nothing can be done about that. We do have more independents here than agencies which I don't necessarily see as a bad thing. People here feel safe and empowered enough to strike out on their own. There are plenty of independents that start out on the route you described, it's just alot of them reach the "independent" stage a lot more quickly, or can simply skip straight to it. The support network for independents in Vancouver is actually quite strong.

It's also been a while since I played out East but when you describe the availability of girls and agencies it doesn't match with my memory. I remember high availability during business hours, especially during lunch. Options drop off substantially after 6, and there are very few options during the weekends unless you book ahead of time. The same mind set of researching providers, and booking ahead of time, plays well on both coasts especially if you're not a stock broker looking for a quickie on his lunch break.

One thing here that hasn't been mentioned is the service in comparison. The GFE on the West coast is WAAAAAY better than out East. There's always an assembly line feel to the providers out east. They want to crank as many clients out in as short amount of time as possible. Unless you're booking a 3hr date with a high end provider, small talk and just little human affection is all but missing from their service. By the time I roll over they're already putting on their clothes, or calling in for their next appointment. I'm clearly not their target audience, and it's the reason I haven't played out much East in a while. It's also why I'm so cautious when an interesting touring provider makes their way out here. They really end up speaking for their entire regional industry.
 

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I have had a couple of 2 hours sessions after the 1st hr one with a provider a while ago. She was a type that got away in High School. Felt that need relieved and she did her role. Thats the reason for me to do these long sessions.
 
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Just to chime in again with my usual sassy bullshit: you know how supply/demand works in business right? We fill the market where demand is highest. I get lots of 2-6h bookings and can gross $10k/net $5k a month so why would I change what I offer? I’m sure many feel the same.

Also there’s almost no middle class in Vancouver. The class divide here is so huge, and I think the industry reflects that. It’s a really broken city.
 

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I wonder what percentage of guys actually want the 2-3 hour long sessions though? not hating but that has no appeal to me, if I wanted human affection and someone to get to know I would rather get that from a girl im not paying, plus I just dont have the time with my work, friends, other hobbies and regular dating life. I wonder if there is too much of a priority placed on catering to men who want those longer sessions in vancouver? thats what it seems like to me.
But honestly who knows.

I guess it depends.....

Sometimes all Ive got is an hour in between meetings/lunch or get off a time when an SP is about to close for the day so to speak. Other times I'll crave a longer appointment and schedule in advance a multiple hour fun. One of my biggest pet peeve is being rushed. Like someone mention in one of the Tiger threads, when that manager/boss lady is banging on the door with still a good amount of time on the clock its annoying as fuck. In some ways you get what you pay for. Longer multiple hour visits usually dont come with that. You get to relax more.

For some guys the 30 min quicker in and outs work for them. And if thats all the time I have then hey its better to get off then not I guess. I find a good balance in both. For example, if you go to work conferences or conventions. There is always a lunch break and sometimes mini breaks in between. Grab some food during the mini breaks then at lunch head to a 30 min pump and fill station. Then after the day is wrapped up enjoy an relaxing multiple hour session of being pampered. And if your lucky, an SP is open to a 7am appointment because almost never any AMP and MP type places open that early. Then you've had hopefully 3 fun encounters/tasted 3 flavors.


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Could it simply because population is thicker on the east coast! May be it is like lottery. More people win it in Ontario and or Quebec simply because there are more people playing it.
 

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Toronto scene is so much better that I have completely stopped hobbying in Vancouver
Toronto has: more and better looking girls, cheaper prices, better spa facilities, better service.
Vancouver is an absolutely terrible place for mongering
There is definitely a Toronto look, if you're into it there aren't too many in Vancouver.
Thankfully my preferences aren't towards the TO or Montreal aesthetic.
 

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There is definitely a Toronto look, if you're into it there aren't too many in Vancouver.
Thankfully my preferences aren't towards the TO or Montreal aesthetic.
There are so many more girls in Toronto that you'll be able to find anything you may be looking for. And even if you can't, you can always request it. Especially given that Toronto SP/client culture is way friendlier than it is in Vancouver. Escorts/MPAs are more open to give out their number and get acquainted if the client is looking for something more intimate. Vancouver's is frigid af.
 
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Toronto scene is so much better that I have completely stopped hobbying in Vancouver

Toronto has: more and better looking girls, cheaper prices, better spa facilities, better service.

Vancouver is an absolutely terrible place for mongering

I totally get and respect your point on why people would prefer Toronto or Vancouver. You are definitely not alone there. However, I wouldn't say terrible. It's way been then the states from my experience (7 states, multiple cities). Its much more expensive. Its about a lil higher cause of the conversion rate at AMP and MP type places but the Indy rates are way more higher and less value. If y'all are interested I can do a pretty good break down on the hobby there. Mexico has its own negatives, I dont have the time to get into it all now. Then HK & Macau have their own challenges. Have not been to Thailand or Japan only heard stories.

Vancouver has its pros and cons. Can be challenging yes. For my experience I've found more ATF's out this way then any other city in 20+ years in and out of the hobby.
The old saying goes "To each their own"
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As far as pooning is concerned, I have never played in Toronto. But if strip clubs are any indication, I have to say Toronto is cheaper, way cheaper and girls are friendlier esp during private dances.
 
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I enjoy longer sessions myself. I have one sugar baby I see for $500 per meet and we will spend four plus hours. Sex is unlimited and nothing is rushed. I prefer the higher amount and longer time… spent too many in and out sessions for $150-$200 in my life and felt disappointed. To each is own. Also Vancouver is lagging on CBC girls!
 

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Also there’s almost no middle class in Vancouver. The class divide here is so huge, and I think the industry reflects that. It’s a really broken city.
I fully agree. Without writing an essay, I'll just to to the conclusion. Vancouver is a broken city, and in general the whole Canada is. But the money grab and greed are the most prominent in - Vancouver. Prices for everything inflated beyond affordability. How can you survive this? By charging accordingly. As all goes higher, all else goes higher. A vicious circle. Until it will collapse. It is behind here, even in many aspect behind those what we call here the 'third world' countries. Want a real comparison? Canada is probably 30 years behind Japan. In everything - from technology to culture.
 

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Canada is probably 30 years behind Japan. In everything - from technology to culture.
Visit Montreal, the city of bricks...
Probably 30 years behind the rest of North America.
Yeah - in everything - from technology to day-to-day basics we're all used to.
Every trip is like time travel to a half-abandoned mining town with a few tall buildings.
 
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