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It's not really a trope? Republican presidents always screw up the economy, and leave it to a Democrat to repair. And the first year of a newly elected president's administration is literally just running on the budget put in placer under the previous administration.

Obama left Trump a great economy. Trump didn't pass much of any legislation or do much of anything of major note, leading up to covid. All of the economic trends started off during Obama's tenure. That is a fact. He rode that wave, until COVID came along, at which point his incompetence was on full display. He called it a Democrat hoax, insisted it would just magically go away in the spring, and didn't have much of any real federal response to it at all. He ended up, true to form, completely wrecking the economy, and leaving it to another Democrat to fix. Yet again. And if he had even pretended to be halfway competent, he could have and should have won a second term, to oversee the recovery. But he was one of a small handful of recent one term presidential failures.

And this time, he's not inheriting a super strong economy, like he did the first time. So we'll once again get to see his incompetence on display for all to see, right from the beginning.
So Biden's first year which saw strong improvements can be attributed to Trump. K, you said it. Not me.
 

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Man, that Dictator from Day 1 is so tired. You can see why Trump won the popular vote when even the betting markets was saying he was going to lose the popular vote easily.
What Trump meant was he was going to frack frack frack and than close the border and that's it. Done being a dictator.

The Dems ran with it and insulted so many people with the constant lie. The blue collar blue wall of Mi, Wi, PA was lost from all the lies and even worse the Hitler attacks towards the end. I don't sense they will stop, they will go lower. Yesterday was a beautiful day. So many Americans gave the finger to the Dems.
 
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your rhetoric is exactly why trump won ... their feed up with the looney left like you 6 are spouting
maga won maga won maga won
and if you don't see the same thing happening in Canada get your collective heads out of the trees
Yup. Continue spouting the same old crap hoping for a different result.

I watched Harris’s speach today, and concluded she has no clue why she lost. Same seems to apply here.

Harris attempted to incite fighting for liberal ideals while conversely admonishing for a peacefully ttansition. Time to go. I expected better of her. Dissappointed. Her 10 minute soundbyte should have been delivered last night, at least the beginning part about thanking all of her supporters. That was a douche move to go cry on her pillow during the biggest night of the year and leaving all her peops hanging.

The ongoing orangeman bad mantry only gets in the way of the genuine introspection and reforms the Democrats need to do.
 
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So Biden's first year which saw strong improvements can be attributed to Trump. K, you said it. Not me.
I'd say it's more due to him actually formulating a federal response to covid, as soon as he got in office, instead of just calling it a Democrat hoax that will magically go away in the summer. That was the start of actually turning the pandemic around and getting people back to work.

But all the same, Trump had a horrible economic record as president... Pretty much the worst since the great depression. Joe did decent.
 

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I'd say it's more due to him actually formulating a federal response to covid, as soon as he got in office, instead of just calling it a Democrat hoax that will magically go away in the summer. That was the start of actually turning the pandemic around and getting people back to work.

But all the same, Trump had a horrible economic record as president... Pretty much the worst since the great depression. Joe did decent.
But you said the first year is due to the previous administration. Which is it? The federal response, or carry over from Trump?

But his record was only "horrible" if you include the Covid issues, which no one could predict how it would go.

Fact.
GDP under trump was slightly higher than Obama and Biden. Nearly statistically a dead heat.
Unemployment continued it's decline to fifty year record lows for the full three years before the pandemic, and progressed two more years than the first year you said that Republicans "cruise" on past dem performance. This continued for all sub-categories as well with African Americans growing at a faster rate than Caucasians. Near the end of the run before Covid the problem limiting more growth was a lack of workers to fill the jobs. Not a bad problem to have at all.
Inflation continued to drop as well, again well past the first year threshold you mentioned.

By your own words, if we say the first year was because of Obama, then the second and third year were not? Who would be responsible then?
 
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I'm guessing most of the tears will come from Trump's supporters who will lose their Obamacare, get their taxes raised, and the Hispanics possibly get deported.
Only tears of joy from Trumpies. And only illegals will be deported. How is that wrong?

Canadian fanatical anti-Trumpers have some serious issues and waste so much energy.
 

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Only tears of joy from Trumpies. And only illegals will be deported. How is that wrong?

Canadian fanatical anti-Trumpers have some serious issues and waste so much energy.
Why as a Canadian should anyone be concerned what the u.s. does with their immigrants?
 

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Why as a Canadian should anyone be concerned what the u.s. does with their immigrants?
Not concerned at all unless they try to come to Canada. This is all entertainment and drama to me. But some Canadians are freaking out about Trump's victory and it's concerning when our current PM is the real political imposter who has failed miserably during his tenure. Please focus on that instead of Trump, that's all I'm saying.
 
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Well the upside of this shit show is my stock portfolio just bumped rather nicely and my play money crypto accounts just showed me some numbers that had me triple taking at my computer screen.
 
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It's all really funny..

Trump's supporters had 4 years to learn that their man is only in it to enrich himself.

And they're so slow, 4 years wasn't enough.
And Biden supporters had 4 years to learn of their mistake. Kamala became irrelevant in the end.
 

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But you said the first year is due to the previous administration. Which is it? The federal response, or carry over from Trump?

But his record was only "horrible" if you include the Covid issues, which no one could predict how it would go.

Fact.
GDP under trump was slightly higher than Obama and Biden. Nearly statistically a dead heat.
Unemployment continued it's decline to fifty year record lows for the full three years before the pandemic, and progressed two more years than the first year you said that Republicans "cruise" on past dem performance. This continued for all sub-categories as well with African Americans growing at a faster rate than Caucasians. Near the end of the run before Covid the problem limiting more growth was a lack of workers to fill the jobs. Not a bad problem to have at all.
Inflation continued to drop as well, again well past the first year threshold you mentioned.

By your own words, if we say the first year was because of Obama, then the second and third year were not? Who would be responsible then?
I said the first year is due to the previous administration? That's not a complete sentence, and I have no idea what you're trying to say. I said that the first year of a president's administration is running on the budget approved under the previous administration, which is a fact. Which the president doesn't even control to begin with, as Congress holds the power of the purse. That doesn't mean that a president is unable to do anything at all the first year.

His record is horrible, because his record is horrible. Again, if he had done a halfway competent job, he could've easily been elected for a second term, like most other modern presidents. Every single president encounters historic problems during their terms. That doesn't mean it suddenly doesn't count. Do you think Biden shouldn't have his record taken into account, because of global inflation? Or that Obama shouldn't be judged on his handling of the recession he inherited? That's the kind of thing that happened to literally every single president. Too bad, tough titty.

I'll add a graph of the change in debt to GDP. It's not good. Plus a graph of the percent of change in GDP, and a graph of the percentage change in unemployment. All of which are miserably horrible. The fact is that, economically speaking, Donald Trump was an utterly horrible failure of a president. Which doesn't even touch on his historically high number of impeachments, in only one term, no less. Plus his campaign staff being the most criminal in all of history. Or his blatantly illegal and discriminatory Muslim ban. Or his lies about Mexico paying for his dumb wall. Or his porn star affair issues. Or his lawyer fixer problems. Or the million other issues he's had.

I never said the first year was due to Obama. I said he was able to coast the first three years following trends that Obama established, because he was wasting time on Twitter, failing at passing any kind of legislation, dealing with legal issues, and generally just shirking off his presidential duties. The first time that he encountered any sort of a real issue, it all blew up in his face, when he couldn't just bullshit his way out of it.
 

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But you said the first year is due to the previous administration. Which is it? The federal response, or carry over from Trump?

But his record was only "horrible" if you include the Covid issues, which no one could predict how it would go.

Fact.
GDP under trump was slightly higher than Obama and Biden. Nearly statistically a dead heat.
Unemployment continued it's decline to fifty year record lows for the full three years before the pandemic, and progressed two more years than the first year you said that Republicans "cruise" on past dem performance. This continued for all sub-categories as well with African Americans growing at a faster rate than Caucasians. Near the end of the run before Covid the problem limiting more growth was a lack of workers to fill the jobs. Not a bad problem to have at all.
Inflation continued to drop as well, again well past the first year threshold you mentioned.

By your own words, if we say the first year was because of Obama, then the second and third year were not? Who would be responsible then?
As you can see, unemployment just continued on the same downward trajectory under Trump, as what it was for the last five or six years under Obama. Which makes sense, because again, he didn't really pass any significant legislation that would've changed anything. All of this is of course, up until his incompetence came through. Which, I'll give him credit, took about one year longer than I thought it would have taken him. However, the implosion was also WAY worse than what I ever could've imagined, lol.
 

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Here’s a cheery thought I heard on the radio this morning, as of January most of the world’s active nuclear weapons will be under the control of complete nut bars! Then they played “ A don’t worry be happy“.
it is on my mind
Hope the generals do not hesitate to shoot any of them if they start to play Nuke me? I'll Nuke You.
 
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