USA Political Thread 2024
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Them nutbars have held the button before. We’re still here. We will be OK as long as the nutbars still want to live and don’t get boxed into a desperate corner. Booby McF’s song is fitting. Aligned with good oldies…
Bryan Adams put it well:
Gettin' pretty worried
Now that ronnie's in the office
I shouldn't let it get to me
There's nothin' I can do
I think that you should know by now
You've done the damage
Now it can't be changed
So give me one good reason
One good reason to stay
Saw the news, Trump will be the next President. I hope he does better than his last time as president.
I do believe he will cut the funding off from Ukraine; Leaving Europe in a lynch.
He will go after the people who went after him.
Trump is fascinated by tryants. Putin, that Korean guy, that chinese guy.... Trump is a business man, with an attitude of "laissez-faire" attitude towards business, which is not what these tyrants want. They want to control. Control everything. Trump at best is only a manager, that has to answer to congress and the senate. If he tries to change the constitution, the 2nd amendment guys will take action....
American bussiness in the world after WW2 was to dominate and control things in the world. It has problems where they don't have patents (eg Muslim countries). America is on the wane of its power, China is taking its place in world.
Unfortunately people will have to endure 4 more years of BS with trump....
I do believe he will cut the funding off from Ukraine; Leaving Europe in a lynch.
He will go after the people who went after him.
Trump is fascinated by tryants. Putin, that Korean guy, that chinese guy.... Trump is a business man, with an attitude of "laissez-faire" attitude towards business, which is not what these tyrants want. They want to control. Control everything. Trump at best is only a manager, that has to answer to congress and the senate. If he tries to change the constitution, the 2nd amendment guys will take action....
American bussiness in the world after WW2 was to dominate and control things in the world. It has problems where they don't have patents (eg Muslim countries). America is on the wane of its power, China is taking its place in world.
Unfortunately people will have to endure 4 more years of BS with trump....
Oil is interesting. It could go down if Trump goes all out with fracking and drilling, or it could go up with him lifting restrictions on pipelines.
Ag could go down because Trump will want to protect domestic production and will fight our farm subsidies.
Ag could go down because Trump will want to protect domestic production and will fight our farm subsidies.
Oil will go down due to fracking, due to Trump allowing Russian oil on the markets again.....
With regards to agriculture, America already provides massive subsidies more than us and certainly more than Australia. Europe is probably the only place more protective of its agriculture. But subsidies won't solve weather or water supply problems. The latter is a particularly vexxing problem in the Southwest. There is actually a decent amount of water but it is badly used.
Gold will be interesting, it always provides value in chaotic times. In the short term, gold may go down but if Trump really follows through with his economic approach, it has to go up.
With regards to agriculture, America already provides massive subsidies more than us and certainly more than Australia. Europe is probably the only place more protective of its agriculture. But subsidies won't solve weather or water supply problems. The latter is a particularly vexxing problem in the Southwest. There is actually a decent amount of water but it is badly used.
Gold will be interesting, it always provides value in chaotic times. In the short term, gold may go down but if Trump really follows through with his economic approach, it has to go up.
Hopefully he reimposes sanctions on Iran. When the Democrats came back into power they ignored the sanctions....because Trump.....enabling Iran to rebuild its finances. Two months after Biden took office plans began with Hamas in Qatar for the attack on Israel on Oct 7 2023 which took two and a half years to put into play now that the money flow had been restored. Cut off money to Iran and you can control (mostly) the chaos in the Middle East.
That could be one of Trumps premier achievements if he does it and I am certain that he will.
Its why I believe its quite possible that Iran was behind both assassination attempts on Trump.
That could be one of Trumps premier achievements if he does it and I am certain that he will.
Its why I believe its quite possible that Iran was behind both assassination attempts on Trump.
you mean like the last 9 years have been fun and fast with the Turd in charge, our Donnie the Dunce?
because it's going to make you even poorer, after they start coming here and the Turd gives them free Healthcare, benefits you can't get, remember when Harper cut and the Turd restored
not to mention the burden it puts on your province for all the other social benefits it takes
go do the numbers, then wonder why Canadians can't get the same, actual citizens
the popular vote, Trump got less votes this time than 2020, he basically got 30% of the possible votes, a minority just like in Canada are driving the short bus
which would have been the case if Harris won too
Harris got less votes than Clinton
the population is around 20 million more than 2016 too
but the real problem as always is barely 55% of the people who could, did vote
that's the really sad part, apathy
which would have been the case if Harris won too
Harris got less votes than Clinton
the population is around 20 million more than 2016 too
but the real problem as always is barely 55% of the people who could, did vote
that's the really sad part, apathy
Harper this and Harper that!!!
The ONLY canadian prime minister in the past 100 years that deserves accolade is Paul Martin. IMHO
More so as finance minister, due to having pulled us back from financial collapse due to too much debt.
i'd propose as i've said many times that just about everyone is blinded by ideology. the very definition of which includes:
" ideology is a 'coherent system of ideas' that rely on a few basic assumptions about reality that may or may not have any factual basis "
ideologies are predominantly fabricated. its like you take complex issues, create a solution message which is black and white, take all the simplistic white answers and put them in one bucket and all the black answers in another bucket. then fabricate the importance of these issues as necessary. then you repeat the message to ignorant brains over and over and over again until it sticks.
if you want to know real politics then... follow the money. its the money.
what is truly head scratching about the new US politics is that the rural poor have been completely hoodwinked by conservative ideology. the GOP are regressive taxers. they don't give a damn about the equity gap. they are trickle down economists. "trickle" is such an appropriate word. the bottom half of the US population live on scraps. the Democrats were all about wealth redistribution, wage growth etc. but the MAGA message machine kept repeating that the world was on fire. evil trans people! populist propaganda. and stupid people . of course Elon Musk and Joe Rogan supported Trump. their tax rate would double under the Democrats when they let the Trump tax cuts age out. just throw that debt onto the huge pile of national debt. who cares!
Trump cut rich peoples taxes in half. he is proposing regressive tariffs.
he will protect the markets. so if you are in the markets then you will get richer. i'm getting richer today again!
is Trump going to do something for the guy in his 30's working at 7Eleven in some small mid western community. fuck no. he's a sucker.
" ideology is a 'coherent system of ideas' that rely on a few basic assumptions about reality that may or may not have any factual basis "
ideologies are predominantly fabricated. its like you take complex issues, create a solution message which is black and white, take all the simplistic white answers and put them in one bucket and all the black answers in another bucket. then fabricate the importance of these issues as necessary. then you repeat the message to ignorant brains over and over and over again until it sticks.
if you want to know real politics then... follow the money. its the money.
what is truly head scratching about the new US politics is that the rural poor have been completely hoodwinked by conservative ideology. the GOP are regressive taxers. they don't give a damn about the equity gap. they are trickle down economists. "trickle" is such an appropriate word. the bottom half of the US population live on scraps. the Democrats were all about wealth redistribution, wage growth etc. but the MAGA message machine kept repeating that the world was on fire. evil trans people! populist propaganda. and stupid people . of course Elon Musk and Joe Rogan supported Trump. their tax rate would double under the Democrats when they let the Trump tax cuts age out. just throw that debt onto the huge pile of national debt. who cares!
Trump cut rich peoples taxes in half. he is proposing regressive tariffs.
he will protect the markets. so if you are in the markets then you will get richer. i'm getting richer today again!
is Trump going to do something for the guy in his 30's working at 7Eleven in some small mid western community. fuck no. he's a sucker.
I think Lester Pearson was an OK Prime Minister. Canada got the maple leaf flag while he was in office. Think he got a Nobel Prize also.
Yes he got a Nobel, and pushed us away from being a British colony. Not many board members would have been around back then though.
Yes accolades do in fact go out to Lester Pearson also.
The debt racked up prior to Paul Martins fixing the debt, was due mostly to overspending by a man named Trudeau, which is eerily similar to todays debt problem.
Coincidence Much!!
But enough of this canada track.
The debt racked up prior to Paul Martins fixing the debt, was due mostly to overspending by a man named Trudeau, which is eerily similar to todays debt problem.
Coincidence Much!!
But enough of this canada track.
The forest was shrinking, but the trees kept voting for the axe; for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood, he was one of them.
The only explanation I can think of is these people have been let down by both parties. They feel disenfranchised, neither party really speaks to them.
Then along comes Trump who does speak to them as if he was one of them. No preachy condescension. He’s neither dem or gop. He tells them everything they want to hear. He tells them their problems are not their fault and provides scapegoats. His maga movement welcomes them with open arms.
He’s a Hail Mary candidate… nothing else has worked for the 7-Eleven guy so might as well give Trump a try.
Then along comes Trump who does speak to them as if he was one of them. No preachy condescension. He’s neither dem or gop. He tells them everything they want to hear. He tells them their problems are not their fault and provides scapegoats. His maga movement welcomes them with open arms.
He’s a Hail Mary candidate… nothing else has worked for the 7-Eleven guy so might as well give Trump a try.
I was in LA at the airport on Wednesday and there were a few flashy dressed young guys with Trump hats talking about how they won and beat Kamala. A few minutes later a phone call came in and one of them sounded like they were talking to wife , mom or other about EBT (food stamp card) lol. Yeah Trump’s got your back guys, good luck!
Man or woman, there is no "leader of the free world". If other nations must bow down to the leader of some other country, then it is not free.
The Dems should be screaming blue murder about the way the GOP governors were doubling down on voter suppression after their same efforts in 2020 still did not hand Trump a win.
However, even if they took the 3 closest swing states instead of the GOP, that would still not be enough. So basically, it would all just be a lot of wasted effort, and they do not want to come off like Trump did last time, a sore loser trying to un-make a clear result.
Plus they still lost the popular vote, which is much harder to mess with because it does not depend on a few small differences in just a few states.
(Here's hoping the Republicans stop this BS where they oppose replacing the Electoral College with popular vote, because of the fear they would always lose to the Dems. Clearly that is not true.)
Harris quite consistently performed worse than Biden in the same places. Part of that is because Pennsylvania was basically Biden's home turf. Part of that is because of things this time being inflation and so on, whereas in 2020, the issue was COVID and how Trump & the GOP were completely bungling the response to it (probably cost the US an extra 500000 deaths). Part of that is the Biden government did a lot of things for the economy, but they are things that do not bear fruit right away, maybe not for 5 or 10 years, so in the here and now, it does not matter. Part of it is overt media manipulation and misinformation by billionaires, because the US system allows unlimited political corruption (thanks to a ruling by their equally corrupt Supreme Court).
And part of it is just a discontented anti-incumbent mood that is world-wide: Canada had a cluster of provincial elections, and it resulted in 1 losing (Cons out) and 2 near misses (NDP and SK Party); the UK government changed hands; Japan's "invincible" LDP has been reduced to a minority, Germany's coalition just fell apart, etc. etc. - it is just that sort of time in history, and even of the voters are misled about the causes of their suffering, they ARE suffering and ready to lash out in anger.
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