USA Political Thread 2024

[Drjohn]

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lol, I forgot about the other 5 women accusing him of (virtually) the same act(s)...thanks for the tip/read.

We're both men and can't (I'm assuming) fathom the thought of being sexually assaulted by a woman, (I'd personally take it as a compliment ), but statistics show only a small percentage of rape/sexual assault are ever reported (much less investigated and even less litigated).

This isn't TDS, it's just basic human decency

I am aware of the other accusations.

Just like the accusations against Bill Clinton and a multitude of other politicians celebrities etc.

They're accusations.

I didn't say that he didn't do it.

I take issue when people say "Trump raped that woman"

Maybe.

It can't be presented as a fact.

He was found liable for it in a civil trial.

That is factual.

I don't need to change your mind or anyone else's.

I understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it.

 

[LLLurkJ2]

I am aware of the other accusations.

Just like the accusations against Bill Clinton and a multitude of other politicians celebrities etc.

They're accusations.

I didn't say that he didn't do it.

I take issue when people say "Trump raped that woman"

Maybe.

It can't be presented as a fact.

He was found liable for it in a civil trial.

That is factual.

I don't need to change your mind or anyone else's.

I understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it.

What did all the proud boys, oath keepers, 3%s get sent up for if there was no planned insurrection? Traffic tickets?

 

[Drjohn]

What did all the proud boys, oath keepers, 3%s get sent up for if there was no planned insurrection? Traffic tickets?

The vast majority of "insurrectionists" aka rioters, were charged with trespassing, unlawful entry, assault etc.

It makes sense because that's what they did.

A small amount (under 10) of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were charged with seditious conspiracy.

Apparently, they conspired to overthrow the US government.

Ok, fair enough.

These wingnuts thought that they could overthrow the government by breaking some glass and running around the Capital building.

They were convicted and sentenced accordingly.

Very little chance that the government was going to be overthrown.

Pretty much zero.

Am I missing something?

 

[LLLurkJ2]

The vast majority of "insurrectionists" aka rioters, were charged with trespassing, unlawful entry, assault etc.

It makes sense because that's what they did.

A small amount (under 10) of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were charged with seditious conspiracy.

Apparently, they conspired to overthrow the US government.

Ok, fair enough.

These wingnuts thought that they could overthrow the government by breaking some glass and running around the Capital building.

They were convicted and sentenced accordingly.

Very little chance that the government was going to be overthrown.

Pretty much zero.

Am I missing something?

There was a claim that there was no insurrection. Roger Stone yies Trump to these groups. Torres has been seen with Trump on multiple occasions.

 

[Drjohn]

There was a claim that there was no insurrection. Roger Stone yies Trump to these groups. Torres has been seen with Trump on multiple occasions.

"Torres has been seen with Trump on multiple occasions".

There it is...the "smoking gun" we've all been looking for.

Arrest Trump immediately!

 

[LLLurkJ2]

Maybe not, but a far cry from 'nothing there'. Maybe a court should decide.

 

[Drjohn]

Maybe not, but a far cry from 'nothing there'. Maybe a court should decide.

Maybe

 

[Cock Throppled]

How would you describe Cuban? He's as woke as they come.

 

[Cock Throppled]

It's good to know that based on the definition of insurrection by a few members here on perb and a Republican minority that if Democrat voters in the future feel disenfranchised; they can take their frustrations on the capitol building, chase Congress people, chase senators , bash and beat Capitol police officers without the fear of being labelled insurrectionists.

It opens up all kinds of possibilities for the future as all actions against the government , their representatives and sworn protective officers are fair game.

Should it apply to us in Canada? Will we be able to go after our institutions and elected officials without the fear of being labelled insurrectionists if we don't gain a majority with our votes ?

Democrats have already stormed and occupied state capitol buildings in the past, and no, they wouldn't be classed as an insurrection, either.

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

I like how young people are getting involved and picking apart Trumps bogus posts and shining a light on this phony’s love for America campaign

 

[golferjohn]

He was found liable for it in a civil trial.

That is factual.

I don't need to change your mind or anyone else's.

I understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it.

Here's where I take issue: if Trump was just another douchebag scamming anyone he can for money/pussy/power/whatever than I give ZERO fucks...if one gets taken, there was plenty of evidence that could have protected the pocket/panty/position from being grifted.
As the POTUS, he represents my country and what he says/does reflects on me. There are millions willing to abdicate their station (at least 74m), but the majority does not.

 

[dare.devil]

I like how young people are getting involved and picking apart Trumps bogus posts and shining a light on this phony’s love for America campaign

True, he must be very intelligent because he is having TDS and leftist.

Here's where I take issue: if Trump was just another douchebag scamming anyone he can for money/pussy/power/whatever than I give ZERO fucks...if one gets taken, there was plenty of evidence that could have protected the pocket/panty/position from being grifted.
As the POTUS, he represents my country and what he says/does reflects on me. There are millions willing to abdicate their station (at least 74m), but the majority does not.

For current Potus who is representing the country

and this

 

[carvesg]

Democrats have already stormed and occupied state capitol buildings in the past, and no, they wouldn't be classed as an insurrection, either.

You are talking about the Wisconsin state capitol protest where nobody got hurt and where even Republican representatives said there had not been malicious damage to the buildingb (That I had to look it up) . No one got hurt either and it's where the protesters were there to overturn or change the bill stopping unions to collective bargaining or something in that vein.

Was it wrong the occupy the Wisconsin state capitol ? Yes as you fight bills by voting for the opposing party at the next election to over turn any law diminishing someone's right .

As for giving the title of insurrection to the Wisconsin riot I would like to read your line of thought....if you could give us an idea . As I never read that they wanted to overturn their government or an election. I would like to understand to make sure we can compare the two protests according to your standards or the same standards.

A recall process if I recall had been initiated for the governor at the time which is legal.

 

[Cock Throppled]

[QUOTE="carvesg, post: 2570473, member: 70224"

As for giving the title of insurrection to the Wisconsin riot I would like to read your line of thought....if you could give us an idea . As I never read that they wanted to overturn their government or an election. I would like to understand to make sure we can compare the two protests according to your standards or the same standards.

A recall process if I recall had been initiated for the governor at the time which is legal.
[/QUOTE]
Read my response. I said it wouldn't qualify as an insurrection.

The only real insurrection was attempted in 1954 in Puerto Rico, when a nationalist party staged armed insurrections in different cities in PR.

Then on March 1, 1954, in another armed assault, four Nationalists fired shots from the visitors' gallery in the House of Representatives of the United States Capitol during a full floor debate, wounding five Congressmen, one seriously. The Nationalists were protesting what they perceived as a continuation of a colonial status in Puerto Rico. .

 

[Mrmotorscooter]

True, he must be very intelligent because he is having TDS and leftist.

For current Potus who is representing the country

and this

 

[ModSquad]

Try not to minimize the fact that police and security personnel died on Jan 6. Several were injured and can never work again relying on the state to support their lives all because of that lunatic made up a fixed election line of bullshit.

I’m looking forward to Mark Meadows testifying at the Georgia RICO trial. He will have to save his own ass by telling the truth about Trump.

Cassidy Hutchinson has proven to be a credible witness about the chaotic final days in office. She has already divulged that Meadows was burning documents in the final days.

The prosecutors at that trial have rejected any discussion about plea deals for Trump, Meadows and Giuliani.

 

[thevalleydude]

Try not to minimize the fact that police and security personnel died on Jan 6. Several were injured and can never work again relying on the state to support their lives all because of that lunatic made up a fixed election line of bullshit.

I’m looking forward to Mark Meadows testifying at the Georgia RICO trial. He will have to save his own ass by telling the truth about Trump.

Cassidy Hutchinson has proven to be a credible witness about the chaotic final days in office. She has already divulged that Meadows was burning documents in the final days.

The prosecutors at that trial have rejected any discussion about plea deals for Trump, Meadows and Giuliani.

No police or security personnel died on January 6. Brian Sicknick....the one Capital police officer who was purported have died from being hit with a cannister and bear spray to the face actually died of natural causes and had been seen walking around normally after the forced entry. The only other people who died were Trump supporters one shot during the entry, 2 of heart attacks and one of a drug overdose. That should lighten up your mood today.

A couple of other Capital police officers did apparently commit suicide in the days following the riot. I can find nothing on any injured and unable to work but if they were that number would pale in the face of the Washington BLM riots in 2020 which resulted in over 160 Capital and Metropolitan police being injured

 

[ModSquad]

Source Wiki - Jan 6 Capital riot:

Within 36 hours, five people died: one was shot by Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, and three died of natural causes, including a police officer. Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by suicide within seven months.

 

[thevalleydude]

Source Wiki - Jan 6 Capital riot:

Within 36 hours, five people died: one was shot by Capitol Police, another died of a drug overdose, and three died of natural causes, including a police officer. Many people were injured, including 174 police officers. Four officers who responded to the attack died by suicide within seven months.

Right. None of the police officers died on Jan 6 or apparently of any violent act which is what you said. Who is to say why any of them committed suicide as time progressed. As far as professions go they are ranked the 6th highest. Trying to tie it strictly to the Capital riot is a political stretch.

 

[carvesg]

Here we go again....who was charged with insurrection.......obviously the justice system could not charge them with this or they would have....instead using trespassing and obstruction of a government procedure to do so. The American legal system decided this....not a few members on Perb and what appears to be a Republican majority currently among the US voting public. It would also have to be organized as you yourself noted that this was most definitely not.

Thank you for reminding us that the DOJ put charges forward based on what they can prove .

It's all I was looking for in this interaction.

So you are telling us that we can assume that there's a good chance that the DOJ and the prosecutors know what they are doing by charging trump 88 times with what they can prove .

What a relief...I thought we were not on the same page. Good day