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Drjohn

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Its only as strong as the conscious of every individual voter. Do they still believe in their constitution? Their rights and freedoms.

Trumps Actions on Jan 6 have chipped away at the foundations of the constitution.

Its like the republican chipping away of "ROE vs WADE", since the early 70s. It was overturned by sliding the responsibility for abortion to the STATES. The States chipped away at abortion by enacting laws that you had to jump loops through to get an abortion and since the overturning of Roe vs Wade laws saying no abortion have taken place.

Trumps rigged "Supreme Court" even ruled against the constitution.
There is no doubt that Trump tried to overthrow a elected government, thus breaking his oath to protect and preserve the Constitution. The asshats in the SC said he is allowed to run for the office again. But is he allowed to hold the office. He will need to get 2/3 congress to vote to actually take office if elected in Nov 2024. The SC instead of making things simple, only added mud to the situation, just like they did with Roe vs Wade.

The end results is that all this political crap is only making it easier to divide the country.
Just a couple of questions,

How did Trump "rig" the Supreme Court?

How did Trump try to "overthrow" the elected government?

Please use facts when making your case.
 

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It's good to know that based on the definition of insurrection by a few members here on perb and a Republican minority that if Democrat voters in the future feel disenfranchised; they can take their frustrations on the capitol building, chase Congress people, chase senators , bash and beat Capitol police officers without the fear of being labelled insurrectionists.

It opens up all kinds of possibilities for the future as all actions against the government , their representatives and sworn protective officers are fair game.

Should it apply to us in Canada? Will we be able to go after our institutions and elected officials without the fear of being labelled insurrectionists if we don't gain a majority with our votes ?
 
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It's good to know that based on the definition of insurrection by a few members here on perb and a Republican minority that if Democrat voters in the future feel disenfranchised; they can take their frustrations on the capitol building, chase Congress people, chase senators , bash and beat Capitol police officers without the fear of being labelled insurrectionists.

It opens up all kinds of possibilities for the future as all actions against the government , their representatives and sworn protective officers are fair game.

Should it apply to us in Canada? Will we be able to go after our institutions and elected officials without the fear of being labelled insurrectionists if we don't gain a majority with our votes ?
Here we go again....who was charged with insurrection.......obviously the justice system could not charge them with this or they would have....instead using trespassing and obstruction of a government procedure to do so. The American legal system decided this....not a few members on Perb and what appears to be a Republican majority currently among the US voting public. It would also have to be organized as you yourself noted that this was most definitely not.
 
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Drjohn

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It's good to know that based on the definition of insurrection by a few members here on perb and a Republican minority that if Democrat voters in the future feel disenfranchised; they can take their frustrations on the capitol building, chase Congress people, chase senators , bash and beat Capitol police officers without the fear of being labelled insurrectionists.

It opens up all kinds of possibilities for the future as all actions against the government , their representatives and sworn protective officers are fair game.

Should it apply to us in Canada? Will we be able to go after our institutions and elected officials without the fear of being labelled insurrectionists if we don't gain a majority with our votes ?
All the theorizing and "what ifs" are a waste of time.

There was no insurrection.

A bunch of knobs forced their way into the Capital building.

What they did was wrong and illegal.

Many of them have been held accountable.

End of story.
 

Drjohn

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What's the rationale in twisting/parsing/genuflecting whatever arguement there is in support of the ex-president? He lost the election and then decided to not leave peacefully (and then figured this ploy could make money from his donors). It's a simple exercise of extracting as much cash from anyone willing to give it to him...there's no ideology, there's no morality, there's no bottom.
So I repeat, what is so compelling about Trump that all of his behavour can be excused-away? Does the lying bother you? How about the cheating? Rape? no? Asking for a friend
Was Trump convicted of committing rape?

How could I have missed that?
 

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...again, what's so compelling about Trump that you'd defend 'digital vaginal penetration' as NOT rape? Is this so we'd spin-out on the fact that he stuck his fingers in her pussy (w/out consent) instead of his dick? Either way it's sexual assault and we're again using the 'parsing' defense.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
There's no 'parsing'

Trump is a clown and some might say a bit of a douchebag.

He was not convicted of rape.

He was found liable in a civil trial.

Maybe he fingered her in a change room without her consent.

Maybe he didn't.

I will never know.

Usually when a rape occurs, there is a police investigation, charges are laid etc.

This woman held on to this very a very long time and then for whatever reason decided to accuse him.

Lawsuits back and forth etc.

She eventually wins and is awarded a ridiculous judgment.

Obviously it's under appeal and it's quite possible she will never get a dime.

At the end of the day I personally don't care what happens.

If you want all the unbiased facts, read the Wikipedia article.

It's all there.
 

golferjohn

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There's no 'parsing'

Trump is a clown and some might say a bit of a douchebag.

He was not convicted of rape.

He was found liable in a civil trial.

Maybe he fingered her in a change room without her consent.

Maybe he didn't.

I will never know.

Usually when a rape occurs, there is a police investigation, charges are laid etc.

This woman held on to this very a very long time and then for whatever reason decided to accuse him.

Lawsuits back and forth etc.

She eventually wins and is awarded a ridiculous judgment.

Obviously it's under appeal and it's quite possible she will never get a dime.

At the end of the day I personally don't care what happens.

If you want all the unbiased facts, read the Wikipedia article.

It's all there.
lol, I forgot about the other 5 women accusing him of (virtually) the same act(s)...thanks for the tip/read.

We're both men and can't (I'm assuming) fathom the thought of being sexually assaulted by a woman, (I'd personally take it as a compliment :)), but statistics show only a small percentage of rape/sexual assault are ever reported (much less investigated and even less litigated).

This isn't TDS, it's just basic human decency
 
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lol, I forgot about the other 5 women accusing him of (virtually) the same act(s)...thanks for the tip/read.

We're both men and can't (I'm assuming) fathom the thought of being sexually assaulted by a woman, (I'd personally take it as a compliment :)), but statistics show only a small percentage of rape/sexual assault are ever reported (much less investigated and even less litigated).

This isn't TDS, it's just basic human decency
I am aware of the other accusations.

Just like the accusations against Bill Clinton and a multitude of other politicians celebrities etc.

They're accusations.

I didn't say that he didn't do it.

I take issue when people say "Trump raped that woman"

Maybe.

It can't be presented as a fact.

He was found liable for it in a civil trial.

That is factual.

I don't need to change your mind or anyone else's.

I understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it.
 

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I am aware of the other accusations.

Just like the accusations against Bill Clinton and a multitude of other politicians celebrities etc.

They're accusations.

I didn't say that he didn't do it.

I take issue when people say "Trump raped that woman"

Maybe.

It can't be presented as a fact.

He was found liable for it in a civil trial.

That is factual.

I don't need to change your mind or anyone else's.

I understand your point of view, I just don't agree with it.
What did all the proud boys, oath keepers, 3%s get sent up for if there was no planned insurrection? Traffic tickets?
 
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Drjohn

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What did all the proud boys, oath keepers, 3%s get sent up for if there was no planned insurrection? Traffic tickets?
The vast majority of "insurrectionists" aka rioters, were charged with trespassing, unlawful entry, assault etc.

It makes sense because that's what they did.

A small amount (under 10) of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were charged with seditious conspiracy.

Apparently, they conspired to overthrow the US government.

Ok, fair enough.

These wingnuts thought that they could overthrow the government by breaking some glass and running around the Capital building.

They were convicted and sentenced accordingly.

Very little chance that the government was going to be overthrown.

Pretty much zero.

Am I missing something?
 

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The vast majority of "insurrectionists" aka rioters, were charged with trespassing, unlawful entry, assault etc.

It makes sense because that's what they did.

A small amount (under 10) of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were charged with seditious conspiracy.

Apparently, they conspired to overthrow the US government.

Ok, fair enough.

These wingnuts thought that they could overthrow the government by breaking some glass and running around the Capital building.

They were convicted and sentenced accordingly.

Very little chance that the government was going to be overthrown.

Pretty much zero.

Am I missing something?
There was a claim that there was no insurrection. Roger Stone yies Trump to these groups. Torres has been seen with Trump on multiple occasions.
 
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Drjohn

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There was a claim that there was no insurrection. Roger Stone yies Trump to these groups. Torres has been seen with Trump on multiple occasions.
"Torres has been seen with Trump on multiple occasions".

There it is...the "smoking gun" we've all been looking for.

Arrest Trump immediately!
 

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It's good to know that based on the definition of insurrection by a few members here on perb and a Republican minority that if Democrat voters in the future feel disenfranchised; they can take their frustrations on the capitol building, chase Congress people, chase senators , bash and beat Capitol police officers without the fear of being labelled insurrectionists.

It opens up all kinds of possibilities for the future as all actions against the government , their representatives and sworn protective officers are fair game.

Should it apply to us in Canada? Will we be able to go after our institutions and elected officials without the fear of being labelled insurrectionists if we don't gain a majority with our votes ?
Democrats have already stormed and occupied state capitol buildings in the past, and no, they wouldn't be classed as an insurrection, either.
 

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I like how young people are getting involved and picking apart Trumps bogus posts and shining a light on this phony’s love for America campaign
 
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