USA Political Thread 2023

[rlock]

Part of the conversation was on "Should migrants become part of the culture of their new country". Shared values, institutions etc.

This is more like European politics, not US, but it sure does not stop US right wing youtubers from acting like it is even their business.

I'll only say that Europe is confronting this issue on a different level / from a different standpoint than the "settler" societies of North America or Australia / NZ really have a right to (except for the indigenous).
Europe is hardening its attitudes in general, in sometimes disturbing ways, but which cannot be simply dismissed as partisan foulness (even if that is how it is exploited).
For the Irish, they are confronted by the fact that until recently, they were accustomed to migrants fleeing Ireland not rushing to join it. They are a very small population to begin with, so huge flows affect them more.

 

[rlock]

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/poli...S&cvid=bdcd61c36a2f42b1a4b2fe8cb63f2a1a&ei=20

If there is one thing I dislike about Trump, is that he has low character.

To confuse the court case he goes after the judge and the court's clerk. The judge puts out a gag order, Trump gets a stay of the gag order and immediately goes after the judge and the clerk again. But not only them, he goes after the clerk's family.

Going after another person's family, that is so very fucken low. Trump is being a world class cocksucker.

He's gone on to attack the judge, the court clerk, and now the judge's wife. Attack meaning name them, and hope some of his more unstable armed supporters find out where they live and waste them. This is some 3rd world shit.

 

[rlock]

That con-man George Santos has been kicked out of the US House of Reps...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/01/politics/santos-deception-drama/index.html

This guy set an astonishing new level of fraud, even in that system. The list of this guy's lies is truly amazing; he's like some movie villain for how devious he is.

 

[westwoody]

He's gone on to attack the judge, the court clerk, and now the judge's wife. Attack meaning name them, and hope some of his more unstable armed supporters find out where they live and waste them. This is some 3rd world shit.

Trump is absolutely trying to provoke the court into doing something stupid so he can cry mistrial.
He is up shit creek and this is his only possible salvation.

 

[golferjohn]

That con-man George Santos has been kicked out of the US House of Reps...

I like his last act of fraud were unauthorized (and above the donation limit) credit card debits of a Republican rep (and his mom)...too bad he's no longer a boat-anchor for them

 

[se7landrover97]

Trump is absolutely trying to provoke the court into doing something stupid so he can cry mistrial.
He is up shit creek and this is his only possible salvation.

He complains that J6 and Georgia cases are election interference. Doesn't he realize that criminal cases filed against him are exactly his election interference on the 2020 election? 😂 I mean those lawyers who brought up these kind of arguments should be sanctioned. Notice that whenever he accuses any one of bla, bla, bla, it's actually either he did those things or going to do those things? Why can't his followers and some Americans see that. It's so fking clear!

 

[golferjohn]

Why can't his followers and some Americans see that. It's so fking clear!

Cult:
Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices. (wiki)

The real question is why would so many be so easily duped? P.T. Barnum recognized this many years ago...now, w/social media, it's possible to organize/consolidate all of those susceptable into a faction.

 

[87112]

It would shock the hell out of me A Republican is ever allowed to be President again. The system will allow for an election but the system won't allow it for a R to win.

 

[Drjohn]

It would shock the hell out of me A Republican is ever allowed to be President again. The system will allow for an election but the system won't allow it for a R to win.

Are you saying that a Republican shouldn't be allowed to be president again, or that a Republican won't be allowed to be president again?
Big difference.

 

[se7landrover97]

Cult:
Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices. (wiki)

The real question is why would so many be so easily duped? P.T. Barnum recognized this many years ago...now, w/social media, it's possible to organize/consolidate all of those susceptable into a faction.

I am finding it really very hard to relate to this trump cult thing. WHY? Are Americans really that gullible? If he wins reelection, imo, it will be the end of democracy not just in the US. If they can't uphold it, it will be start of the end of it.

 

[Drjohn]

I am finding it really very hard to relate to this trump cult thing. WHY? Are Americans really that gullible? If he wins reelection, imo, it will be the end of democracy not just in the US. If they can't uphold it, it will be start of the end of it.

There is definitely a small hard core group of Trump supporters. Calling it a cult is just hyperbole. There is a much larger group of people that will vote for Trump because they don't like the alternative.
I remember the time before Trump was elected when many of his high profile opponents predicted complete disaster and some them even vowed that they would leave the United States.
We all know how that turned out.
If you think that Biden and the Democrats are a better alternative then good luck.
I personally think Trump is a bit of a clown but probably the lesser of two evils.
For better or worse, I predict his re-election.
Get your popcorn now.

 

[87112]

2024 will be the same as 2020. Around midnight Trump will lead all the battleground states than in the morning all leads are gone with 80 to 90 percent of overnight votes for Biden. I don't know why Dems are worried about 2024. The system won't allow any more Republican Presidents.

 

[overdone]

Notice that whenever he accuses any one of bla, bla, bla, it's actually either he did those things or going to do those things? Why can't his followers and some Americans see that. It's so fking clear!

we have the exact same issue here, on the other side of the aisle, with Trudeau, same M.O.

It would shock the hell out of me A Republican is ever allowed to be President again. The system will allow for an election but the system won't allow it for a R to win.

hardly, look at the last election, if they would have had even a slightly more sane, respectable candidate, even for 24, they'd easily win, with the electoral college

if they ever get a grip on reality again, they'd easily beat the Democrats who are beating themselves by the same extreme left wing nut jobs that are holding the GOP from winning easily, right wing zealots

Cult:
Cult is a term, in most contexts pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices. (wiki)

The real question is why would so many be so easily duped? P.T. Barnum recognized this many years ago...now, w/social media, it's possible to organize/consolidate all of those susceptable into a faction.

why so many Canadians have been seen with thier heads up their asses for almost a decade is the real question

Cult-liberal voter, to an extent the NDP one's too, enablers anyway

 

[87112]

Illinois and Pennsylvania will do America in again. more corrupt than Yeman.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

...
I personally think Trump is a bit of a clown but probably the lesser of two evils.
...

A bit of a Clown?
F F S

 

[masterblaster]

There is definitely a small hard core group of Trump supporters. Calling it a cult is just hyperbole. There is a much larger group of people that will vote for Trump because they don't like the alternative.
I remember the time before Trump was elected when many of his high profile opponents predicted complete disaster and some them even vowed that they would leave the United States.
We all know how that turned out.
If you think that Biden and the Democrats are a better alternative then good luck.
I personally think Trump is a bit of a clown but probably the lesser of two evils.
For better or worse, I predict his re-election.
Get your popcorn now.

In some ways I would like to see trump elected again, then his idiot followers will experience how badly he’ll fuck things up in a second term.

 

[westwoody]

In some ways I would like to see trump elected again, then his idiot followers will experience how badly he’ll fuck things up in a second term.

He isn’t fucking things up for the people that matter to him: other rich guys.
He showed how stupid voters are with his tax plan. Cut taxes on the rich and raise them on the peasants? And the peasants fell for it.

 

[jgg]

331MM people and the best they can run is Biden/Trump? A choice of the shinest of two turds.

 

[se7landrover97]

My sister in-law in the US complaints about high gas prices, goods and services, insurance, inflation, etc etc. And blames Biden for it. 🤣 I said stop complaining! Its global. It's not just happening in the states. It's everywhere. It's happening here, it's happening in Asia, Europe,... @westwoody was right. He is showing the world how stupid voters there are. 🤦‍♂️ Trump is a gonggong and Americans better wake up b4 it's too late for them. The nest time will be even worse than they can imagine.

"I think our inability to sort of hold accountable, what I call ruling class criminals, high government officials who obviously broke the law, and hold them accountable the way we would hold anybody else accountable," Kirschner said via phone to Newsweek. "We just, we can't do it. We either can't or won't do it. And that will be our downfall. The rule of law will be our downfall." - Glen Kirschner. And if he is elected again? Good bye America.

 

[se7landrover97]

331MM people and the best they can run is Biden/Trump? A choice of the shinest of two turds.

Ofc there are others who are better but the thing is unfortunayely they aren't as know as the two and for them to run for president is trying to punch the moon. It's not what you know, it's how famous you are. When I first watch The apprentice, accidentally, I knew right away that trump is a scammer. No question about it.