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Motorman

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Trudeau is crying because he knows there are no good options for Canada. Justin knows that when the economic hurricane hits Canada, he will be blamed. Read about the current economies in China and the EU and then compare both to the current economic conditions in Canada. I am talking the specific fundamentals, the numbers do not lie. I think you will discover Canada is far worse. Now add the future defense expenditures for NATO, the EU and Canadian taxpayers will cough up. The US stock market is currently suffering from Biden’s spending spree to shore up the economy before the election. The Inflation reduction act put foam on the runway to cushion the impact of his policy decisions. Without huge tax increases, a government cannot continue to support those that do not support themselves. Joe knew if he won, who cares, he is in for four years, if he lost, Trump will be blamed. The DJIA is not reacting to this tariff stuff. It is simply running out of the money Joe printed to boost it.

I can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink. Im not going to try to convince people in denial there will be plenty of fantastic investment opportunities in Canada for investors that have a 5-7 year time horizon, of which I intend to capitalize. I make my money work so I don’t have to and I suggest those in position do the same! Most of you, for whatever reason cannot understand, your politicians took years to create this mess. Do not believe all the chest thumping from your politicians that got you into this mess. Read the second and third articles attached. Buy low sell high and tell Trudeau girls cry!


https://www.the-independent.com/new...-trade-war-trump-tariffs-canada-b2710786.html
https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/les-leyne-tariffs-will-ravage-red-ink-budget-10323999
https://www.biv.com/news/commentary...eating-as-tariffs-land-heavy-punches-10323537
 
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Post 806 is fairly accurate IMO.
Trump is obviously in cognitive decline and may genuinely believe the nonsense he spews.
He is still lazy and physically unfit.
But he is still a narcissist who seeks adulation, so he will make public appearances and occasional interviews in friendly forums. The rest of the time he’s golfing.
Anyone counted how much time he’s spent golfing? It’s six weeks and he’s always golfing!
So he has contracted out the actual work of running the country to his oligarch associates, using Vance as a cover.

Post 815 is just silly.
 

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Post 806 is fairly accurate IMO.
Trump is obviously in cognitive decline and may genuinely believe the nonsense he spews.
He is still lazy and physically unfit.
But he is still a narcissist who seeks adulation, so he will make public appearances and occasional interviews in friendly forums. The rest of the time he’s golfing.
Anyone counted how much time he’s spent golfing? It’s six weeks and he’s always golfing!
So he has contracted out the actual work of running the country to his oligarch associates, using Vance as a cover.

Post 815 is just silly.

The other thing about Trump is he enjoys hurting and humiliating people.

I think he was expecting Trudeau to be subservient and kiss his ring like everyone in the GOP does.

Trudeau's refusal to do so--and even referring to him as 'Donald'--has really thrown the miserable old coot off.

You can hate Trudeau is you like, but at least he's not spineless like just about everyone in Congress these days.
 

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In all this full on fuckery, I am finding I really really like Melanie Joly not just as pretty damn responsive to all the shit happening but as a strong woman and as someone I would very much like to bone if not once more than once.
 

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Trudeau is crying because he knows there are no good options for Canada. Justin knows that when the economic hurricane hits Canada, he will be blamed. Read about the current economies in China and the EU and then compare both to the current economic conditions in Canada. I am talking the specific fundamentals, the numbers do not lie. I think you will discover Canada is far worse. Now add the future defense expenditures for NATO, the EU and Canadian taxpayers will cough up. The US stock market is currently suffering from Biden’s spending spree to shore up the economy before the election. The Inflation reduction act put foam on the runway to cushion the impact of his policy decisions. Without huge tax increases, a government cannot continue to support those that do not support themselves. Joe knew if he won, who cares, he is in for four years, if he lost, Trump will be blamed. The DJIA is not reacting to this tariff stuff. It is simply running out of the money Joe printed to boost it.

I can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink. Im not going to try to convince people in denial there will be plenty of fantastic investment opportunities in Canada for investors that have a 5-7 year time horizon, of which I intend to capitalize. I make my money work so I don’t have to and I suggest those in position do the same! Most of you, for whatever reason cannot understand, your politicians took years to create this mess. Do not believe all the chest thumping from your politicians that got you into this mess. Read the second and third articles attached. Buy low sell high and tell Trudeau girls cry!


https://www.the-independent.com/new...-trade-war-trump-tariffs-canada-b2710786.html
https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/les-leyne-tariffs-will-ravage-red-ink-budget-10323999
https://www.biv.com/news/commentary...eating-as-tariffs-land-heavy-punches-10323537
You gotta go easy on the orange Kool aid as your stable of rainbow unicorns will all escape their stalls.

Keep in mind that our debt level gives us more leeway than you perfect US.

No worries your budgets are in the red too and will get redder by the months especially your federal budget to give you that tax break you anticipate so much ... I would dap that corner of your mouth if I were you as you are drooling saliva most likely by now ... unbecoming !!!

Anyhow in the meantime... Are you exploiting trump's game with the stock market ? Him and his cronies are racking millions while he plays with the retirement plans of millions of Americans.... Gotta love a government without reproach... Not that either sides ( gdp and gop ) is not as obvious on a smaller scale with individual companies with regulations, approvals, contracts awarded or not ...which has been played on both sides at that level for years
 
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We lightly moderate this thread and expect people to behave even when they disagree. I just removed a whole page or more of whiny, bickering, name calling and combative posts and warn everyone involved, master blaster, motorman and the rest that we will not put up with childish bullshit. Put each other on ignore, or bans will happen.
 

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I think we could use a good laugh, this crazy MF lives by Mar A Lago and loves to roast the Maga’s
 

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President Chamberlain, Putin and Xi have divided the world between them.
Pres C get N & S America and Greenland;
Xi get Malaysia, India, Indochina and eastern Africa;
Putin gets Europe, middle east, and western Africa
The new Axis powers.....
 

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Trudeau is crying because he knows there are no good options for Canada. Justin knows that when the economic hurricane hits Canada, he will be blamed. Read about the current economies in China and the EU and then compare both to the current economic conditions in Canada. I am talking the specific fundamentals, the numbers do not lie. I think you will discover Canada is far worse. Now add the future defense expenditures for NATO, the EU and Canadian taxpayers will cough up. The US stock market is currently suffering from Biden’s spending spree to shore up the economy before the election. The Inflation reduction act put foam on the runway to cushion the impact of his policy decisions. Without huge tax increases, a government cannot continue to support those that do not support themselves. Joe knew if he won, who cares, he is in for four years, if he lost, Trump will be blamed. The DJIA is not reacting to this tariff stuff. It is simply running out of the money Joe printed to boost it.

I can lead a horse to water but cannot make it drink. Im not going to try to convince people in denial there will be plenty of fantastic investment opportunities in Canada for investors that have a 5-7 year time horizon, of which I intend to capitalize. I make my money work so I don’t have to and I suggest those in position do the same! Most of you, for whatever reason cannot understand, your politicians took years to create this mess. Do not believe all the chest thumping from your politicians that got you into this mess. Read the second and third articles attached. Buy low sell high and tell Trudeau girls cry!


https://www.the-independent.com/new...-trade-war-trump-tariffs-canada-b2710786.html
https://www.biv.com/news/commentary/les-leyne-tariffs-will-ravage-red-ink-budget-10323999
https://www.biv.com/news/commentary...eating-as-tariffs-land-heavy-punches-10323537
You make many valid points but you also have many blind spots where your preconceptions seem to be tailoring your response.
Absolutely there are no good options for Canada in a trade war... we're simply going to have to work with the many bad options we have. You're optimistic if you think we'll blame Justin.. even those that hate Justin will blame Trump.
Most Canadians viscerally understand the massive impact that the disruption with out closest, biggest trading partner will have. We've been seeking to diversify our trade relationships ever since the last time Trump was in office and did the same thing. We've had some success, not enough but some. The main thing that this has done has pulled the blinders from the majority of Canadians eyes.. we've literally given preferential treatment in consideration to the USA for every deal we've made with other countries. We've always had the understanding that our relationship with the USA comes first and foremost before anyone else. This has been a great strength and like many strengths has become a great weakness.
We all acknowledge that now... Yes we will likely come to some form of agreement with the USA - likely one that they benefit from more than we will.. but we won't sit idle. We will work going forward to minimize the effect that the USA has on us building better relationships with global partners that share our ideals like the EU.
You're right. We're going to suffer economically. We're going to make hard decisions. You're crazy if you think that we'll ever give up our sovereignty to the USA.
And please put your money to work on opportunities in Canada over the next 5-7 years, we're happy for the investment and we want the Canadian endeavours you fund to succeed as much as you do. That's very thoughtful of you.

We could go on forever about how Trump is a conman and what he's really doing isn't in the interests of anyone but himself, as he and his allies rape and pillage the USA, but it's a dead horse. You either believe it or you don't, and no amount of facts or logic is going to sway either side. I've already stated my opinion of Trump. Nothing that I've learned since has changed my opinion. Maybe I'm just biased but I don't think so.

The effects of Trump's actions on the USA? MAGA? Perhaps in the short term.. but it is my opinion that the USA will suffer a lot of short term pain - mostly felt by the lower and middle class, followed by a lot of long term term systemic pain as the USA tries to rebuild everything damaged and destroyed in the meantime. That will be the inward focused results that the USA will feel.
What they won't feel until it is too late is the result of the loss of goodwill that has happened because of Trump. The clear understanding that we don't want the USA to be on top anymore and we're all looking for ways to ensure that is the end result. The USA will no longer be the preferred trade partner for anyone with any common sense. It is likely that countries will look to their own currencies rather than the USD as a trade currency, similarly to BRICS, sure we'll do business with the USA, but they will no longer be our preference more like one of those bad choices that we have no choice but to stomach until we have a better option.
It's hard to look favorably on countries that have convicted felons leading them who illegally break trade agreements that they themselves signed and touted as the best deal ever done. Try and convince me that Canada is a threat to National Security justifying breaking our trade agreement. Good luck with that.
But you're right... Canada is going to go through a period, probably a long period of difficulty if this isn't resolved soon. Too bad it's too late for the USA to recover any of the goodwill they've lost.

Have a wonderful weekend everyone.
 
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I am not even sure what the word Illegal means anymore. About half the country think entering the country with no rights to live here is OK, techically its illegal but its not. Or is it? WTF country do I live in? Seriously are there any other 1st world countries where someone desolute can come in and just claim I have a right to be here and my needs meet? I don't follow Canada politics much, but if I did that does Canada boot me out or not?
I hate cold weather and gray, rainy days and if I was to just leave I would choose Australia. Never been there its always sunny and warm right? and its a 1st world country. Do they have similar views as USA, where half the country wants to take in anyone and support them for life?
I will do almost anything to never see a PNW winter if its possible!
 
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You make many valid points but you also have many blind spots where your preconceptions seem to be tailoring your response.
Absolutely there are no good options for Canada in a trade war... we're simply going to have to work with the many bad options we have. You're optimistic if you think we'll blame Justin.. even those that hate Justin will blame Trump.
Most Canadians viscerally understand the massive impact that the disruption with out closest, biggest trading partner will have. We've been seeking to diversify our trade relationships ever since the last time Trump was in office and did the same thing. We've had some success, not enough but some. The main thing that this has done has pulled the blinders from the majority of Canadians eyes.. we've literally given preferential treatment in consideration to the USA for every deal we've made with other countries. We've always had the understanding that our relationship with the USA comes first and foremost before anyone else. This has been a great strength and like many strengths has become a great weakness.
We all acknowledge that now... Yes we will likely come to some form of agreement with the USA - likely one that they benefit from more than we will.. but we won't sit idle. We will work going forward to minimize the effect that the USA has on us building better relationships with global partners that share our ideals like the EU.
You're right. We're going to suffer economically. We're going to make hard decisions. You're crazy if you think that we'll ever give up our sovereignty to the USA.
And please put your money to work on opportunities in Canada over the next 5-7 years, we're happy for the investment and we want the Canadian endeavours you fund to succeed as much as you do. That's very thoughtful of you.

We could go on forever about how Trump is a conman and what he's really doing isn't in the interests of anyone but himself, as he and his allies rape and pillage the USA, but it's a dead horse. You either believe it or you don't, and no amount of facts or logic is going to sway either side. I've already stated my opinion of Trump. Nothing that I've learned since has changed my opinion. Maybe I'm just biased but I don't think so.

The effects of Trump's actions on the USA? MAGA? Perhaps in the short term.. but it is my opinion that the USA will suffer a lot of short term pain - mostly felt by the lower and middle class, followed by a lot of long term term systemic pain as the USA tries to rebuild everything damaged and destroyed in the meantime. That will be the inward focused results that the USA will feel.
What they won't feel until it is too late is the result of the loss of goodwill that has happened because of Trump. The clear understanding that we don't want the USA to be on top anymore and we're all looking for ways to ensure that is the end result. The USA will no longer be the preferred trade partner for anyone with any common sense. It is likely that countries will look to their own currencies rather than the USD as a trade currency, similarly to BRICS, sure we'll do business with the USA, but they will no longer be our preference more like one of those bad choices that we have no choice but to stomach until we have a better option.
It's hard to look favorably on countries that have convicted felons leading them who illegally break trade agreements that they themselves signed and touted as the best deal ever done. Try and convince me that Canada is a threat to National Security justifying breaking our trade agreement. Good luck with that.
But you're right... Canada is going to go through a period, probably a long period of difficulty if this isn't resolved soon. Too bad it's too late for the USA to recover any of the goodwill they've lost.

Have a wonderful weekend everyone.
Most of what you said is spot on. In the short term, (18 months) some Americans will feel inflation pressure, afterward I believe the vast majority of Americans will hugely benefit from the Trump economy. I do not think Trump wants Canada in any way shape or form. However some family members live in Ontario and they told me there is a movement gaining steam for Ontario to become the 51st state. That is beyond my pay grade. As for the felon stuff, nobody has ever been convicted of that crime previously and nobody cares, Trump carried all swing states. Therefore your point is moot! If an agreement is not reached , it will take years, or maybe even decades for Canada to recover. No country has the buying power of the United States and currently the EU, South Korea and Japans economy‘s are not doing well. Look, I’m a business guy, business is typically dog eat dog. It’s about profit. International trade is now becoming business. Canada places tariffs on American goods to make the same goods produced in Canada more appealing to the consumer. It is past my expertise, but if all tariffs are removed from both sides, I believe the market will adjust and maybe prices will go down for everyone. Friends as you say should not place a 200% tariff on dairy products. I assume Canadian farmers cannot produce milk as cheap as American farmers. I just wish Trump would get on with it and stop flip flopping. Either do it, or not. The longer the flipping goes on, the more damage occurs.
 

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Putin couldn’t take Ukraine, he’s not going to take Europe. Unless he gets US backing which is a possibility now that he’s won the White House.
 
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You make many valid points but you also have many blind spots where your preconceptions seem to be tailoring your response.
Absolutely there are no good options for Canada in a trade war... we're simply going to have to work with the many bad options we have. You're optimistic if you think we'll blame Justin.. even those that hate Justin will blame Trump.
Most Canadians viscerally understand the massive impact that the disruption with out closest, biggest trading partner will have. We've been seeking to diversify our trade relationships ever since the last time Trump was in office and did the same thing. We've had some success, not enough but some. The main thing that this has done has pulled the blinders from the majority of Canadians eyes.. we've literally given preferential treatment in consideration to the USA for every deal we've made with other countries. We've always had the understanding that our relationship with the USA comes first and foremost before anyone else. This has been a great strength and like many strengths has become a great weakness.
We all acknowledge that now... Yes we will likely come to some form of agreement with the USA - likely one that they benefit from more than we will.. but we won't sit idle. We will work going forward to minimize the effect that the USA has on us building better relationships with global partners that share our ideals like the EU.
You're right. We're going to suffer economically. We're going to make hard decisions. You're crazy if you think that we'll ever give up our sovereignty to the USA.
And please put your money to work on opportunities in Canada over the next 5-7 years, we're happy for the investment and we want the Canadian endeavours you fund to succeed as much as you do. That's very thoughtful of you.

We could go on forever about how Trump is a conman and what he's really doing isn't in the interests of anyone but himself, as he and his allies rape and pillage the USA, but it's a dead horse. You either believe it or you don't, and no amount of facts or logic is going to sway either side. I've already stated my opinion of Trump. Nothing that I've learned since has changed my opinion. Maybe I'm just biased but I don't think so.

The effects of Trump's actions on the USA? MAGA? Perhaps in the short term.. but it is my opinion that the USA will suffer a lot of short term pain - mostly felt by the lower and middle class, followed by a lot of long term term systemic pain as the USA tries to rebuild everything damaged and destroyed in the meantime. That will be the inward focused results that the USA will feel.
What they won't feel until it is too late is the result of the loss of goodwill that has happened because of Trump. The clear understanding that we don't want the USA to be on top anymore and we're all looking for ways to ensure that is the end result. The USA will no longer be the preferred trade partner for anyone with any common sense. It is likely that countries will look to their own currencies rather than the USD as a trade currency, similarly to BRICS, sure we'll do business with the USA, but they will no longer be our preference more like one of those bad choices that we have no choice but to stomach until we have a better option.
It's hard to look favorably on countries that have convicted felons leading them who illegally break trade agreements that they themselves signed and touted as the best deal ever done. Try and convince me that Canada is a threat to National Security justifying breaking our trade agreement. Good luck with that.
But you're right... Canada is going to go through a period, probably a long period of difficulty if this isn't resolved soon. Too bad it's too late for the USA to recover any of the goodwill they've lost.

Have a wonderful weekend everyone.
Most logical and sensible reply
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