Truly heart breaking

[picante55]

Discovery of children’s remains at Kamloops residential school ‘stark example of violence’ inflicted upon Indigenous peoples.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...nd-at-kamloops-residential-school-site-in-bc/

 

[Forum mod]

As a mod, I usually try to stay out of these kinds of threads, but I will put the mod hat aside for a second in this case and state that IMO only, the Catholic Church needs to be held accountable for all of these situations, they have harbored pedophiles and murderers for years and have truly failed to be "Christian" they have enabled monsters and the damages against them should be in the billions.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

The atrocities of the residential schools are too many to list. So yes those responsible should be held accountable. Even after they are long dead, some kind of conviction should be attached to their names for perpetuity. Truly the worst of mankind allowing that to happen in the name of their 'god'. Makes me want to puke.

 

[VinVan]

In any other society, the oppressed would have risen up in a justifiable armed insurrection given all of the injustices they have suffered (residential schools, smallpox, illegal seizure of land and property, missing and murdered indigenous women, genocide). That the Indigenous peoples of this land have not, speaks more to their humanity than to ours.

Deeply ashamed of my Canadian predecessors today:

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/residential-school-memorial-vancouver

Coulda been your child, sister or brother. No words.

 

[westwoody]

As a mod, I usually try to stay out of these kinds of threads, but I will put the mod hat aside for a second in this case and state that IMO only, the Catholic Church needs to be held accountable for all of these situations, they have harbored pedophiles and murderers for years and have truly failed to be "Christian" they have enabled monsters and the damages against them should be in the billions.

If there are 215 children buried in just one schoolyard how many more are there we don't know about?

TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTEEN! In just one school! There were hundreds of schools.

 

[VinVan]

Not to defend the Catholic Church (bunch of pious pedophiles in my opinion) and not to diminish the fact that these resident schools where horrible places for the kids that lived in them (I used to work with someone that had the displeasure to grow up in one, and his greatest wish is that all nuns burn in hell) but this school was running from 1890-1969, that’s 215 dead in 80 years, that’s aprox. 2.5 per year and housing hundreds of children each year, that may not be a huge deviation from a normal mortality rate. The facts aren’t determined as to how or why they died
Not trying to justify anything, just pointing out a possibility

They were stolen from their families.
Buried without any records in unmarked graves , like at Auschwitz or any other site of genocide.
Abused while they were at the "school."
Nothing. NOTHING. NOTHING!!!!!
Not even your fucking twisted math can justify that.
2.5 is too much of any child. Your child. My child. Any child. Would 2.5 of your children be okay?
Jesus Christ, WTF is the matter with you???? Give your head a shake.

 

[Forum mod]

Not to defend the Catholic Church (bunch of pious pedophiles in my opinion) and not to diminish the fact that these resident schools where horrible places for the kids that lived in them (I used to work with someone that had the displeasure to grow up in one, and his greatest wish is that all nuns burn in hell) but this school was running from 1890-1969, that’s 215 dead in 80 years, that’s aprox. 2.5 per year and housing hundreds of children each year, that may not be a huge deviation from a normal mortality rate. The facts aren’t determined as to how or why they died
Not trying to justify anything, just pointing out a possibility

Sorry, no you don't get to say that, even as a possibility. The math doesn't add up.

Children in regular schools, even boarding schools, do not die at the rate of 2.5/year. No accidents or illness or disease outbreaks explain these numbers. You could not likely name many regular or boarding schools in Canada who have had 2 students die while in school over that entire time period of 80 years and if you could, they are because of a school bus accident or maybe an outbreak of something serious like polio before the vaccine. This is more than 2 per year and there are unmarked graves at every single residential school they have examined so far.

Listen to the testimony of those who were taken forcibly from their homes and made to attend. Physical, sexual abuse and kids just disappearing were commonplace. Any defense of the residential schools, even out of the interest of being a devil's advocate, is badly misplaced and doesn't belong here. This is not random or happenstance or even bad luck. This is systemic abuse and torture leading to death in many cases. You simply cannot give any other plausible answer.

The lowest estimate I have seen is that across Canada 3000 kids never came back after being taken to these schools. Minimum. The use of ground penetrating radar will happen at all of them eventually. Who knows what the final tally will be.

 

[g eazy]

Reparations

 

[Forum mod]

We are talking about the 1890+ the details aren’t known on anything yet. You can neither say that any or all of them died of natural or unnatural causes. But people don’t want to consider a possibility outside of the popular

It would appear that any appeal to logic is lost on you. This isn't a "popular" opinion. This is a documented fact beyond any explanation otherwise. For you to ignore that and seek some other wild interpretation puts you in Trump territory. Doubling down on something so implausible isn't a good look. You say you aren't trying to justify anything, but that's exactly what you are doing. It's the same thing as someone saying "I am not a racist but..." good luck getting many (or any) supporters with that.

 

[Lane1977]

My grandfather was a victim that survived the atrocities of a boarding school in central AB in the 30's, As a teen i was pretty close with my grandparents, i could see the damage in his eyes and never understood the actual pain and suffering he endured until he passed away in the early 90s, it was then that my grandmother explained to me that the suffering he bottled up inside for years was due to the trauma that he suffered as a young child in the boarding school. When he was in his 20's i was told, he was extremely violent, had major alcohol issues and was in trouble mentally. When he met my grandmother, it was this beautiful soul turned his life around. He was a hard working man and family was first, i am grateful to be his grandson, he was a great influence for me. I was confused to why my grandmother wanted to hold the funeral in a catholic church after all he had been through, after the funeral it was then i never had stepped foot or near a church again. I started to do some light research on the subject and let me tell you, there is allot the public does not know cause allot of the survivors (even more of my family great uncles and aunts and their extended family and friends) suffered in silence and took this to their graves...

 

[Buddyguy66]

Let's start with how organized religion is bs in the first place..a mechanism designed to easily manipulate people and prey on their hopes and dreams. I stopped going to church and started buying a lottery ticket instead if I found a need for hope. In terms of faith...I trust almost no one.

 

[MissingOne]

far

... there is allot the public does not know...

I can remember sitting in a classroom in the 1960's listening to an earnest young teacher explaining how well Canada had treated its "Indians", compared to the more brutal Americans. The abuse in the residential schools was going on even as she spoke. That young woman would have been teaching the curriculum as it then was, but I imagine that she also sincerely believed what she was telling us.

For some years in the following decade I worked alongside a number of indigenous guys in the bush. They were good guys to work with until they got into the booze. The rest of us never thought much about their drinking. In camps full of young guys, they weren't the only hard drinkers, and the meanest drunks were some of the white guys. It never occurred to me to wonder why the indigenous guys might have alcohol problems.

I did eventually learn that the indigenous guys had been to residential schools, and many of them had done well in terms of grades. That was as much as I ever learned about the schools, in those days. Now we're all learning. I wonder what the ghost of my young teacher from the 1960's would be thinking.

 

[CapnMaynards]

Absolutely horrific.

 

[luvsdaty]

My parents rarely spoke of their residential school experiences. My mother witnessed a little girl beaten to death by a nun because she dropped her tray in the breakfast line. My dad went to the one in Port Alberni,he was in grade four when it burned down. The priests abandoned the kids,just told them to go home. Many of the kids lived hundreds of miles away from home. 215 bodies,that's not including the hundreds if not thousands of children that ran away across Canada from these institutions,dying from exposure never to be seen again. My mom said the saddest sound she ever heard was the smallest children in these schools crying themselves to sleep every night only wanting their parents.. Rape,murder,experimentation, starvation,generations of natives growing up hating there culture,self medicating ashamed to speak their own language.This is the legacy of the residential school assimilation.And yet,we're told " to just get over it"

 

[westwoody]

2.5 per year

In my entire school career from kindergarten to 12 I only remember two classmates dying.
My high school had around 1100 students.

 

[wetnose]

We are talking about the 1890+ the details aren’t known on anything yet. You can neither say that any or all of them died of natural or unnatural causes. But people don’t want to consider a possibility outside of the popular

Putting that aside, why weren't the bodies of the children returned to their parents?

Just imagine if one of the kids was your daughter and she was torn from you at 5.

Then later you learned that she had been abused, died then buried in an unmarked grave.

How would you feel?

 

[luvsdaty]

We are talking about the 1890+ the details aren’t known on anything yet. You can neither say that any or all of them died of natural or unnatural causes. But people don’t want to consider a possibility outside of the popular

Part of the why can't you just get over it crowd I see. Even if it were"natural causes" how would you feel if that was your child ,niece or nephew,grand child just dumped in a pit so unceremoniously? Do you lack basic empathy? The last residential school shut down in the 1990s, I'm sure you'd think nothing ever happened then either .Monsters are in every generation , not just the late 1800s

 

[uncleg]

Says something about anticipated travel that there's "a stairway to heaven and a highway to hell," and if the road to hell is paved with good intentions, then I'd say the Catholic Church has turned it into a freeway of epic proportions.

 

[angry anderson]

Putting that aside, why weren't the bodies of the children returned to their parents?

Just imagine if one of the kids was your daughter and she was torn from you at 5.

Then later you learned that she had been abused, died then buried in an unmarked grave.

How would you feel?

It's called hiding the evidence. duh?

 

[angry anderson]

As a mod, I usually try to stay out of these kinds of threads, but I will put the mod hat aside for a second in this case and state that IMO only, the Catholic Church needs to be held accountable for all of these situations, they have harbored pedophiles and murderers for years and have truly failed to be "Christian" they have enabled monsters and the damages against them should be in the billions.

No problemo padre. They are insured against lawsuits for sexual abuse. Always have a plan B
https://slate.com/news-and-politics...ic-church-buy-insurance-for-sexual-abuse.html