To Pimp Or Not To Pimp

[vancity_cowboy]

i remember once hearing a successful stock market investor being asked if he would manage somebody's stock portfolio for them

he replied with a grin that he would be honoured to do so... but he would get 50% of the gains and only be resposible for 10% of the losses

the question was withdrawn, but the conversation left me much to ponder in terms of the value of things

 

[VanessaofBC]

pimp
/pimp/
Noun
A man who controls prostitutes and arranges clients for them, taking a percentage of their earnings in return.


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When I was introduced to my first "pimp" I asked him if he took 50%.

He laughed and said "what bitch, do I look like the bank?!?!? I take it allllll!!"


That was all I needed to hear to burst out laughing. No man is taking all MY money. HA!. and may I say. Ha, ha!!

Got a tree in my mirror.

You should have two and did you ask her favorite scent???? Always keep them stocked. Oh and NEVER leave the house without condoms. It happens to all of us. We forget or run out during the session. Always, always have some in your car.

 

[superhappyfun]

When I was introduced to my first "pimp" I asked him if he took 50%.

He laughed and said "what bitch, do I look like the bank?!?!? I take it allllll!!"


That was all I needed to hear to burst out laughing. No man is taking all MY money. HA!. and may I say. Ha, ha!!

He wasn't a pimp, he was a comedian! ound:

 

[badbadboy]

I have often wondered about the difference between the various Den's, Spa's and Agencies around town who are in fact arranging calls for their employees and profiting from the calls. Are they too not classified as Pimps or is it because they have got a city licence to provide massage services with extra non disclosed services included?

So if the OP became an employee of the SP would that not suffice to get around the "living off the avails" law?

 

[VanessaofBC]

He wasn't a pimp, he was a comedian! ound:

Naw man, He was a hard core pimp, like you see in the music videos. I slept over with one of his "ladies". I woke up with the LARGEST hard on I ever felt pressed to my back. I got scared and thought "hellz no". I spent the rest of the night on the floor!!!! :fear:

I swear!

 

[1nitestan]

If you're scheduling her bookings (that she screens herself) then you're nothing but an errand boy.

To be a true pimp
- you are actually doing the networking and suggesting to prospective clients that you'll send a girl over to entertain.
- Clients pay you, and then you pay your "bitches".
- you have a "bottom bitch" who looks after the rest of your girls. If they need anything, they go to her.
- you get to audition the talent

You need to shop here for your clothes: http://leroymenswear.com/

 

[luvsdaty]

If you're scheduling her bookings (that she screens herself) then you're nothing but an errand boy.

To be a true pimp
- you are actually doing the networking and suggesting to prospective clients that you'll send a girl over to entertain.
- Clients pay you, and then you pay your "bitches".
- you have a "bottom bitch" who looks after the rest of your girls. If they need anything, they go to her.
- you get to audition the talent

You need to shop here for your clothes: http://leroymenswear.com/

Is this where Don Cherry gets his suits from?

 

[1nitestan]

Is this where Don Cherry gets his suits from?

Cherry isn't cool enough to rock Leroy's

 

[CJ Tylers]

While I think it's a reprehensible thing to consider, and a very dangerous game to play, you might be ok only if you never touch the clients money. If you don't control her money, and can prove you have no other method of exerting control over her, then you would fail to fit the "pimp" bill. I still believe that the law would find you guilty on "living off the avails of...", but that's another matter.

If you're a contracted employee, with a written agreement & are paid for consultant or specified services (and subject to termination), then you might be in the clear. Maybe. Ask a lawyer to be sure.

I'd be VERY leery of getting involved with this sort of thing. It can go very badly for you, very quickly... and if it's just a friendship that you have, once you exchange monies, that friendship changes entirely (and will never be the same). Think carefully on that, especially if this is someone you care for.

 

[1nitestan]

 

[vancity_cowboy]

It can go very badly for you, very quickly...

i wholeheartedly agree with that statement. one only has to recall some of the VERY public meltdowns in the history of this board to realize that sometimes a perfectly normal appearing escort is actually a cauldron of VERY brittle emotions

almost all are just fine, but we men are famous for having poor judgement when it comes to assessing women

 

[Miss*Bijou]

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C a n a d a ' s C u r r e n t L a w s
http://canadasprostitutionpolitics.blogspot.ca/

Keeping a Common Bawdy House: section 210 (1): It is illegal for an owner, landlord, tenant, agent or property manager to knowingly allow their property or any part of the premises to be used as a place for prostitution (sex for money).

Being an Inmate of Common Bawdy House section 210 (2): It is illegal to work or live in a space that is used as a space where sex for money takes place.

Notice of Conviction of Keeping a Common Bawdy House section 210 (3) (4): When a person is convicted of keeping a common bawdy house [section 210 (1)], the court serves a notice to the landlord, property owner or manager saying that the tenant or occupier has been convicted of this offense. The landlord is then expected to take all reasonable steps to evict the person charged, and if he or she doesn't and the person gets charged again then the landlord or property owner will also be charged.

Transportation of a Person to a Common Bawdy House section 211: It is illegal to take, offer to take, or direct anyone to a common bawdy house.

Procuring section 212 (1): It is illegal to influence a person who is not a sex worker to become a sex worker, whether inside or outside Canada.

Exercising Control, Direction or Influence section 212 (1) (h): It is illegal to control the movements of a sex worker or force a sex worker to work for gain or profit.

Living on the avails section 212 (1) (J): It is illegal for anyone who lives with or who is habitually in the company of a sex worker to live partly or wholly on the income made from a sex worker. The purpose of this law is to target pimps who receive a portion of a sex worker’s earnings.

An escort service is guilty of section 212 if it profits from the prostitution (most escort agencies say they only charge for the companionship and time) of its employees.

Communication for the purposes of prostitution section 213: It is illegal for a sex worker and client to talk openly in public about exchanging money for sex. Public places include vehicles, parking lots, restaurants/bars, hotel lobbies, streets, or any place that the public has access to or that the public can view. A non-public place would be a hotel room, apartment or house (apartments and homes can be at risk through the bawdy house laws). It is also illegal to stop or attempt to stop or impede motor or pedestrian traffic.

Indecent act -- section 173 (1): also called exposure. Most people think this only applies to flashers or other perverts, but if a john and a prostitute are engaging in a sex act in a public place they can both be charged with this offense if they intended to offend passerby, or if the act takes place in the presence of other persons. Other offenses that might apply are sexual interference (section 151) and even sexual assault (section 271) if the prostitute is under 14; invitation to sexual touching (section 152); sexual exploitation (section 153); anal intercourse (section 159); and, child pornography provisions (section 163.1).

 

[Cami Parker]

It's not that Lovey, I just didn't understand your initial statement of saying you weren't sure if you should take the money, because you didn't know if you would feel like you were taking advantage of her. Simple answer just seemed to be don't take the money then, if you were questioning it based on your own morals. I didn't mean to offend you in anyway, as I said miscommunications abound!
And those aren't my definitions, they're Googles, so anyone that doesn't agree with them can take it up with Larry Page and Sergey Brin! LOL
Anyways like I said, I didn't mean to offend...you asked, and I answered.
Questions posted in a public forum most always receive at least one or two answers that the asker doesn't agree with.
Just my oppinion, you can take it or leave it and it don't make me no nevermind!
Good luck to you!

I'm not saying that I would never do anything for free, Cami. Just that you shouldn't expect or presume that someone will do so in a relationship that you know very little about. I have done and will do many things for free but in this situation it was she who had the idea to pay me and it seemed fair as what she is looking for is not just a one time thing but ongoing and likely to be very time consuming. If I could help her in a way that didn't take up much of my time I would gladly do it for free.

As for your definitions of employee vs. pimp, I am not sure. Many employees (i.e. salespersons, real estate agents, etc.) work on commission. The advantage of employing someone on commission is that if they don't generate profits for the employer they don't get paid. That might work way better for an escort, since an hourly wage or salaried employee might be mediocre at their job and spend a lot of time but not generate much business for her. Conversely, a commission can be a great incentive for creativity and initiative in employees. As for the pimp definition, I would not be "controlling" her in any way, simply helping her as best I can, so would I not meet the full definition of pimp that you cited. As mentioned earlier by others, the term agent is probably better.

 

[sevenofnine]

Many years ago on my way to work I would go by a stroll. Occasionally there would be the girls pimp hanging out in the shadows.
At that time I thought what a bunch of sleazy fucking bastards. Pimps

A few years ago a women offered me the same sort of arrangement being discussed here.
My tone has softened some what.

But I don't know. It just seems you go down this road, Its sort of a slippery slope. Ones greed for money might just get the better of him. You could set the lady up with all sorts of dubious clients and pressure her to do well everything bbbj's etc, and a lot more, just to make some money
or go the other way so jealous and insecure and over protective,

It might work if you were not involved with her
say just set up an agency or a massage something or other and you just managed it her as well as other girls. you just treated as a business., I mean that is what agencies are,

but a hands on pimp running some girls what do they call, there is a word for it isn't it.
kind of sleazy or a big potential to be so.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Is this where Don Cherry gets his suits from?

Cherry isn't cool enough to rock Leroy's

now don't you be danged hatin' on ole don cherry...

he's danged more pimpin' than any dude named leroy in seattle!!

 

[VanessaofBC]

Oh yeah. I would let him drive me around! Reminds me of my old driver "Buck's" car (he was Jamaican, I believe).

 

[Flanders]

Too Bad Comedy Central has locked down all South Park clips on the web. This is a perfect thread for a link to "Butter's Bottom Bitch" episode. Freaking hilarious!

 

[PlayfulAlex]

I've been hanging out with an SP quite a bit lately and she recently asked me to become her pimp, get her bookings, etc and take a 30% commission. I have to admit I'm tempted. I could probably make a lot of $ from this but I care about this woman and don't want to take advantage of her. I want to do right by her and add value to her business. I'm curious how you ladies feel about pimps/madams. Love 'em? Hate em? View them as a necessary evil? Completely unnecessary? What qualities do you look for in a pimp? What services do you expect? What do you think is a fair rate? Any advice? Thanks Ladies.

I've been patient while this thread comes to life. My biggest concerns here are your naiveté and candour about pimping. You seem to think that pimping is just another friendly term for Business Manager. Are you kidding me or something? Pimps aren't exactly welcome team members, do you not know this?

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/techno...sed+pimping+Ottawa+resumes/8885040/story.html

Maybe you think we just have a list we're keeping hidden from public view:
Qualities I Look For in a Pimp

Maybe you really think girls go around interviewing potential pimps to see if they'll provide the services they're expecting...

If she used those exact words, 'Hey Darlin, I've been looking for a pimp, would you like the job? I'll happily pay you 30%?" I'd be shocked.

While there may be pimping arrangements in this city, they are becoming less and less commonplace, unless you do include the managers in massage parlours, who have often had to defend against accusations of pimping.

There may also be boyfriend arrangements (although this community tends to believe that everyone is fully independent), where he hovers around and does 'security' but I doubt she goes to bed at night saying, "I love you, pimp daddy!"

And what exactly is it that you could do for her that she can't do for herself? Will you create her website (that's 'my web guy' not 'my pimp'), post her ads (that's 'my advertising guy' not 'my pimp')? Or will you be like one of those Vegas hawkers, standing outside the nightclub, passing out her postcards and business cards (that's 'my sales guy' not 'my pimp')?

Or how exactly had you planned on procuring clients for her that an ad on Backpage, Perb or ERS List couldn't do better? Maybe you'll take her calls for her and book her appointments for her (that'd be 'my phone guy' not 'my pimp'), guys really love it when they call a lady's number and a guy answers the phone!

As I said, I've taken my time in responding, waiting to hear how the community reacts but we're now onto 3 pages, so it was time for me to say my piece.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

Too Bad Comedy Central has locked down all South Park clips on the web. This is a perfect thread for a link to "Butter's Bottom Bitch" episode. Freaking hilarious!

Maybe this will do:

 

[tantalizeme]

Well-said as usual, 7of9

Many years ago on my way to work I would go by a stroll. Occasionally there would be the girls pimp hanging out in the shadows.
At that time I thought what a bunch of sleazy fucking bastards. Pimps

A few years ago a women offered me the same sort of arrangement being discussed here.
My tone has softened some what.

But I don't know. It just seems you go down this road, Its sort of a slippery slope. Ones greed for money might just get the better of him. You could set the lady up with all sorts of dubious clients and pressure her to do well everything bbbj's etc, and a lot more, just to make some money
or go the other way so jealous and insecure and over protective,

It might work if you were not involved with her
say just set up an agency or a massage something or other and you just managed it her as well as other girls. you just treated as a business., I mean that is what agencies are,

but a hands on pimp running some girls what do they call, there is a word for it isn't it.
kind of sleazy or a big potential to be so.

From my observations I'd have to agree: SPs (or mamasans) often have a crying need for help—much along the lines Vannessa's list so eloquently suggests.

I've sometimes thought I'd personally find the role of faciliating an SP's or micro's business very congenial. I sure believe in the importance of their work.

And yet—if you're a paid employee or "agent", you'd easily feel controlled, pushed around or even demeaned by a predictably stressed-out and probably moody boss. I couldn't stand that for very long.

If you're an overbearing son-of-a-bitch pimp or handler who does the controlling, then of course the SP(s) will easily feel micro-managed, pushed around, exploited...you name it.

Either way, the power dynamics between SPs and "agents" aren't likely to be easy to navigate—especially if a further complication is man-woman emotions like desire or affection.

I sure wish brother superhappyfun good luck. He sounds not only superhappy, but supersmart as well.