time for reflection

[dare.devil]

My sicerest condolences to those affected .
That said, the complete ignorance of people on here with regards to mental health issues is almost as sad. Absolutely zero understanding of what is a very complex issue. 'They should all be in jail!'. Idiots.

Nothing is simpler in this world, its a very broad topic if we start discussing nuiances of mental issues, but regardless taking other's life is offlimit for any health, mental, sob story etc issues and like others, they should be treated as criminals, may be mental asylum in jails.
How about a terrorist,?? who is also having mental issue because a healthy mind wont kill multiple people.

 

[Harmony-bc]

When tragedy strikes, it’s very easy to assign blame and point fingers which doesn’t really solve anything. It might make the finger pointer feel vindicated and self righteous. The solution isn’t tougher laws. The solution is more mental health help. More education. More of everything. And more love. Love spreads love. Anger spreads anger. I accidentally drove down 41 today out of habit to go to Susan’s butcher shop on Victoria street. What a sad intersection. It’s absolutely horrible and heartbreaking

 

[dare.devil]

When tragedy strikes, it’s very easy to assign blame and point fingers which doesn’t really solve anything. It might make the finger pointer feel vindicated and self righteous. The solution isn’t tougher laws. The solution is more mental health help. More education. More of everything. And more love. Love spreads love. Anger spreads anger. I accidentally drive down 41 today out of habit to go to Susan’s but her shop on Victoria street. What a sad intersection. It’s absolutely horrible and heartbreaking

Would you agree that prevention is better than cure?
The fact is, if I had stuck around another 15 minutes, I might’ve been dead. But hey, no finger-pointing from me at least!

 

[lukom]

Wow the perpetrators history is wild. They moved here from China in 2012. The family lived 5 blocks away from the area. The father died within a year when they moved here from an unexpected illness. The brother got murdered in the new year of 2024. Mother attempted suicide. Just the system failing this person and by extension his family from the start.

 

[Harmony-bc]

Would you agree that prevention is better than cure?
The fact is, if I had stuck around another 15 minutes, I might’ve been dead. But hey, no finger-pointing from me at least!

Absolutely prevention is better than the cure. We need better mental health awareness. More help. More support. More compassion. More love. With more support from a young age, chances are people will be less messed up when they hit adult hood

 

[angry anderson]

Absolutely prevention is better than the cure. We need better mental health awareness. More help. More support. More compassion. More love. With more support from a young age, chances are people will be less messed up when they hit adult hood

The guy was supposedly on a police watch list for previous incidents. As was the guy who beat up the girl in Stanley Park. Can't get much more aware than that.

 

[PuntMeister]

The guy was supposedly on a police watch list for previous incidents. As was the guy who beat up the girl in Stanley Park. Can't get much more aware than that.

Not sure if he had a valid drivers licence or not. If so, ICBC not screening sufficiently for mental illness and therefore liable. If not,criminal use of unauthorized motor vehicle.

I expect my government to sort this this shit out. Not be paralyzed with “it’s soooo complicated” BS. Leadership is about making complicated situations decisive based on clear principles. In the absence of this, we mourn fallen victims and wonder why it happened, again and again.

 

[80watts]

Nothing is simpler in this world, its a very broad topic if we start discussing nuiances of mental issues, but regardless taking other's life is offlimit for any health, mental, sob story etc issues and like others, they should be treated as criminals, may be mental asylum in jails.
How about a terrorist,?? who is also having mental issue because a healthy mind wont kill multiple people.

Healthy minds kill people every day. Think sniper, think military. They train at targets who highlight enemy bodies/faces. Pychological conditioning. Doesn't mean your not gonna end up with PTSD.
Since the beginning of man, man has murdered and gone to war and killed people every year since Cain and Abel. Wouldn't be surprized that the whole human race suffers from PTSD.

I saw a pic of the vehicle, it was smashed up on the front end in the middle like the egde of a square (V) in the middle of the engine compartment. Did he drive into a parked car or tree, no mention of that on the news. A normal person would of stopped before hitting anyone. If you hear/felt a bump you stop. But 11-20 victims, the guy had to be "out of it" somehow.

One of the things about before getting into a car, is your state of mind, are you stressed out, etc. Then you should not get in and drive.

Yes there should be more facilities to deal with people that have problems, especially if they have constant police contact; more so if they have violent altercations with the public.

 

[dare.devil]

Healthy minds kill people every day. Think sniper, think military. They train at targets who highlight enemy bodies/faces. Pychological conditioning. Doesn't mean your not gonna end up with PTSD.
Since the beginning of man, man has murdered and gone to war and killed people every year since Cain and Abel. Wouldn't be surprized that the whole human race suffers from PTSD.

I saw a pic of the vehicle, it was smashed up on the front end in the middle like the egde of a square (V) in the middle of the engine compartment. Did he drive into a parked car or tree, no mention of that on the news. A normal person would of stopped before hitting anyone. If you hear/felt a bump you stop. But 11-20 victims, the guy had to be "out of it" somehow.

One of the things about before getting into a car, is your state of mind, are you stressed out, etc. Then you should not get in and drive.

Yes there should be more facilities to deal with people that have problems, especially if they have constant police contact; more so if they have violent altercations with the public.

I loved the way you brought killing in social places and war zones by soldiers in same context. In first one where one side is completely unaware that they are going to be killed, and other setting where both sides are fighting to kill. I thought they are apples and oranges to compare but yeah I agree that they are healthy minds involved in killing.
I would say mentally sick people would be great legal contract killers, or vice versa, just start going to to doctors few months earlier, there is nothing to prove on mental health. Go kill and and go scot-free, because its normal for mental people to kill as they suffered a lot.

 

[dare.devil]

Absolutely prevention is better than the cure. We need better mental health awareness. More help. More support. More compassion. More love. With more support from a young age, chances are people will be less messed up when they hit adult hood

When I say prevention, its at every stage. We cant go back and change someone's history, so if those extreme cases exist I would like to see them prevented to kill. Extreme cases should be treated as any other public threat.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Meanwhile, all the dialog aside, 11 innocent people killed, 20 hurt some critical so there may be more deaths. How many lives shattered by this, how many relatives, friends, bystanders to this, forever changed. I go back to my first statements about complicit parties. And maybe that is the failing.

What was it Bernard Shaw wrote so many years ago?
"all it takes for evil to prevail is for men of good faith to do nothing"

 

[SolidSnake]

It's all too easy for many people to stay on a high horse and oppose to appropriate deterrence measures, when they don't know personally any of the victims or the ones they left behind.

 

[westwoody]

It's all too easy for many people to stay on a high horse and oppose to appropriate deterrence measures, when they don't know personally any of the victims or the ones they left behind.

Harsh truth rant time. I used to be very pro safe consumption and treatment.
Then last fall I was in a store with a gf and her ten year old grandson. A crazy meth head was stealing a bagful of stuff and a clerk tried to stop her.
The meth head lunged at the ten year old and stuck a box cutter right in his face and I mean inches away. The little boy was no threat to her but she was going to slash his face. My friend and I got between them and she ran off. He was terrified and is still traumatized.
I wish I had grabbed and curb stomped her.

After this and having my garage and car broken into repeatedly I have done a 180.
Want to do meth or fen? Go nuts. Give them all they want. Stop spending tens of thousands of dollars reviving them every time they OD over and over.
I don’t care about anyone’s sob story. The second they start threatening a little kid they lose all rights to sympathy or compassion.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

Harsh truth rant time. I used to be very pro safe consumption and treatment.
Then last fall I was in a store with a gf and her ten year old grandson. A crazy meth head was stealing a bagful of stuff and a clerk tried to stop her.
The meth head lunged at the ten year old and stuck a box cutter right in his face and I mean inches away. The little boy was no threat to her but she was going to slash his face. My friend and I got between them and she ran off. He was terrified and is still traumatized.
I wish I had grabbed and curb stomped her.

After this and having my garage and car broken into repeatedly I have done a 180.
Want to do meth or fen? Go nuts. Give them all they want. Stop spending tens of thousands of dollars reviving them every time they OD over and over.
I don’t care about anyone’s sob story. The second they start threatening a little kid they lose all rights to sympathy or compassion.

What he said

 

[uncleg]

Healthy minds kill people every day. Think sniper, think military. They train at targets who highlight enemy bodies/faces. Pychological conditioning. Doesn't mean your not gonna end up with PTSD.


Yes there should be more facilities to deal with people that have problems, especially if they have constant police contact; more so if they have violent altercations with the public.

Worked for me...no PTSD. My wife on the other hand....
What we need is to get back to the days of Oakalla.

 

[Cock Throppled]

I've never understood the "not guilty by reason of insanity" excuse. So what if voices told them to kill?

Injured is injured. Maimed is maimed. Dead is dead. At the point a mentally ill person starts harming people other than themselves, I don't really care give a fuck about excuses. Guilty is guilty.

 

[angry anderson]

Not sure if he had a valid drivers licence or not. If so, ICBC not screening sufficiently for mental illness and therefore liable. If not,criminal use of unauthorized motor vehicle.

I expect my government to sort this this shit out. Not be paralyzed with “it’s soooo complicated” BS. Leadership is about making complicated situations decisive based on clear principles. In the absence of this, we mourn fallen victims and wonder why it happened, again and again.

Case there for driving without due care and attention maybe.

 

[dare.devil]

I liked the action plan mentioned by Mayor Sim on mental health .

 

[80watts]

The fun fact is that there are probably hundreds if not thousands of people with mental related problems out in public, who could snap at any time.....

Yeah so no mental institutions for them? So if the governments finds a place for these individuals, is the government going to find a place for those 40 year autistic adults whose parents can't look after them anymore.

Again the idea of wokism of "qualilty of life" intersects.....

 

[Billiam]

Just because some are unable and unwilling to attempt to understand the complexities of various mental illnesses doesn't mean that many others can't do so. Most (of the illnesses) are incurable but most are treatable to some degree. But even succesful treatments are continually being adjusted as one's brain's reaction to them evolves over time. No one who has not suffered the loss of control of one's own thoughts can begin to understand the horrors of living in that state day after day after day. But humans are resilient and learn, with the help of modern science, to cope for the most part. The struggle on a daily basis typically involves your own 'voices' telling you how worthless you are, etc., etc. and urging you to harm yourself or even take your own life. Unfortunately, the 'Paranoid' part of Paranoid Schizophrenic often manifests as a fear that everyone around you, usually in a public place, are watching you and talking about you in a negative way. Occasionally that fear could extend to a feeling that the sufferer was being pursued and attacked by the complete strangers around them. This can be where their actions , perceived by them to be necessary for survival, can end up in a very tragic result for all involved.
Our society, for the most part, does not and must not punish those afflicted with such problems by taking away their personal freedom without them having crossed the line of harming others. I can't disagree that the best place for those in that situation is confinement of a specialized nature, because, at this point, there is no alternative.
People from all situations of life 'snap' regularly with no previous signs of mental difficulties. In case you haven't noticed, people around the world think some really bizarre thoughts on a daily basis as well. And for the most part you can't lock them up for it. Not in a free, civilized society.
IMHO