The SP takes your cash, and a guy appears telling you to get lost...what best to do?

[VanessaofBC]

I see, most who commented would beat a hasty retreat.

That's certainly your choice. Play it safe, cut your losses, keep your head down. A recipe for longevity.

But passively accepting defeat wasn't Hatrick's choice, and—depending on circumstances—I hope it wouldn't be mine either.

I probably wouldn't imitate Hatrick's reaction to this kind of ripoff. I'm the chatty type. I generally believe, there's power in standing one's ground in a communicative, non-violent manner.

In a situation where the SP takes my cash and a guy appears telling me to get lost, I think there's a small but non-negligible chance to get through to him by appealing to his better nature.

There's a lot of gradation between what's "rational" and "irrational." A bully in Hatrick's situation has every interest not to stab or otherwise assail a peaceful pooner, because that would almost certainly bring on the police.

So I think, getting through to this kind of guy is partly a matter of striking a cord with him—just as picking up a female stranger in public is partly a matter of hitting the right note.

Tant, we would hate to read your horror story, so please, do not try to negotiate with a crazy person who sees you as disposable. Sorry, but you have NO idea what an addict is thinking.

Yeah that but I really really really hate getting ripped off and I lay it all on the line. I found the cops at the donut shop better than 911! I wanted shithead to think twice next time!

After reading your thread, it is obvious he did not think twice. Lets hope next time uncleg gets him with the scattergun.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Oh yeah my knuckle's are missing a bit of meat so I'm sure he felt that one in his teeth.

fuck man... i wanna be just like you when i grow up... :high5: :thumb:

 

[sevenofnine]

Yeah that but I really really really hate getting ripped off and I lay it all on the line. I found the cops at the donut shop better than 911! I wanted shithead to think twice next time!

I don't disagree.

Some times people need to be tuned up.

 

[susi]

Some chick lets a stranger stick it in her for $100, she's a whore.
Over $200, she's a service provider.
Over $400 she's a lady with standards.
Over $800 lady is a mouth watering hot skilled professional.
Over $1600 this goddess could bring down a government.

so...i am a whore i guess.....not very nice dude.....please don't say whore in a derogatory way.....saying it during sex is one thing but there's no need to be so rude and degrading to some of us who post here.....sheesh....

 

[storm rider]

Interesting idea, if you were dealing with rational people, which you're not.
What's your plan B?

Carry an extendable baton :thumb:

Personally I dont own one nor would I require one as I have no worry about being ripped off at my fave micro.
If I did see sketchy gals of ERSlist or other dicey options I would aquire one for my own security and peace
of mind.Just producing in a flash and snapping it out is intant intimidation no matter how big the aggressive
person is as all it takes is one precise strike to seriously fuck somebody up.

SR

 

[SFMIKE]

The most wonderful thing about the internet:

You can make yourself sound as tough as you wish; or

You can make yourself sound as smart as you wish.

You choose.

 

[brown25]

Just producing in a flash and snapping it out is intant intimidation no matter how big the aggressive
person is as all it takes is one precise strike to seriously fuck somebody up.

SR

Yup!

No! Wait!

 

[PlayfulAlex]

That he ever has one is a big assumption. Might as well tell him he won't go to heaven for stealing.
Sometimes you get what you pay for, I ain't losing teeth over a $100 whore.

Some chick lets a stranger stick it in her for $100, she's a whore.
Over $200, she's a service provider.
Over $400 she's a lady with standards.
Over $800 lady is a mouth watering hot skilled professional.
Over $1600 this goddess could bring down a government.

Hmmmm, troll much? Be sure and use your perb handle when you're booking your appointments.

 

[VanessaofBC]

Carry an extendable baton :thumb:

Personally I dont own one nor would I require one as I have no worry about being ripped off at my fave micro.
If I did see sketchy gals of ERSlist or other dicey options I would aquire one for my own security and peace
of mind.Just producing in a flash and snapping it out is intant intimidation no matter how big the aggressive
person is as all it takes is one precise strike to seriously fuck somebody up.

SR

I like the thought put into this answer. If the baton gave off a little electrical shock I would consider purchasing one from myself. Nothing major...just a slight tingle.


edit: WOW...that guy is KNOWLEDGEABLE!! Scary.....

 

[rick hunter]

Collapsible batons are an illegal weapon in Canada, along with nun chucks, brass knuckles etc. If you beat someone with it you would most likely get charged with assault in addition to the weapons charge.

The sane answer is to cut your losses and just chalk it up as another life lesson. You can always make more money but fighting someone over $100 dollars isn't that smart. What happens if he manages to break your arm or leg? You'll be off work and won't be paid for that.

Look at what happened to Grant de Patie, was it really worth it to chase the guy for the $12 in gas that he stole?

 

[westcoast555]

Felt sadness all day yesterday, after reading Hatrick`s dramatic report. https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?189668-Karen-9677-ers-don-t-get-rolled-like-I-did

Tremendous pleasure is possible in this hobby, but also many shades of disappointment—and the occasional brutal ripoff.

Hatrick`s altercation with the SP`s pimp/BF (and, most likely, her drug-supplier) is probably the worst incident I`ve yet read about. That it happened to a veteran of this hobby—to my mind, Western Canada`s most famous pooner alive—makes it all the more poignant.

For Hatrick to fight with a guy much stronger than himself was admirably gutsy, but perhaps not the most advisable thing to do. I admire Hatrick`s amazing fortitude. But the money we`re talking about here—I`d guess around $100—was hardly worth the beating he took.

Can`t help asking myself, in this type of situation, what I might do when the lady leaves with my money and a guy appears in her stead telling me to get lost. Here`s what I might say.

Me: "Easy, easy, brother. I guess you don`t know who I am?"

Him: "I don`t care. Get lost!"

Me: "Just a moment, brother. I understand, you need the money. But by stealing my $100 now you`re losing far more than you gain."

Him: "How so, fucker?"

Me: "Well, think about about the bad publicity you`ll get. Guys will write about this place on internet forums. Thousands of guys will read about this ripoff. You`ll have difficulty advertising. Your business will dry up. You may have the cops on your back. Or a guy might come back with a bunch of friends."

Him: "So what! Get the hell out!"

Me: "Sure, right away. Let me just say, I think you`re really a good guy. Of course, you need cash badly. I`m willing to donate my $100. But deep down, aren`t you`re ashamed of the scam you`re pulling here? Ripping off poor guys like me, who just need a little female company."

Him: "Get the hell out. Now!"

Me: "My friend, I have a far better idea how you and your lady might make cash. Lots of it. Thousands of dollars."

Him: "What? Okay, how?"

I might explain to the guy how he and his lady could attract pooner business. The idea is to talk softly, show man-to-man empathy, establish at least minimal rapport, and get him to think about the shortsightedness of his actions.
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No great probability this approach would get me my donation back. Certainly won`t work with a far-gone junkie who can`t think straight.

But maybe it`s worth a try? Just bailing quietly rewards those con men and encourages them to continue their scam. And getting into a fist fight, as Hatrick did, may be even more costly all around.

No offence.. but you`re crazy. You`re dealing with lowlife "meth-heads". Any number of rational paths are open to these losers but this is the path they choose. Just leave if you get into a situation like that or if you really feel like it come back and beat the shit out of him with a tire iron. Probably not worth it for $100.

But explaining the economics? Waste of time. It`s not like they don`t know they could provide a legitimate exchange of goods/services for price.

You know what economics lecture would be worth giving? Explaining to pooners that looking for a bargain basement deal by going out to some shithole basement suite in Surrey or New West is a bad idea and likely to lead to the kind of scenario you`re picturing. I know not everybody has the dough but being a bottom feeder with this form of recreation is so nasty.

Stick to well-reviewed, independent providers who respect themselves and their clients.

 

[BORKO]

No offence.. but you're crazy. You're dealing with lowlife "meth-heads". Any number of rational paths are open to these losers but this is the path they choose. Just leave if you get into a situation like that or if you really feel like it come back and beat the shit out of him with a tire iron. Probably not worth it for $100.

But explaining the economics? Waste of time. It's not like they don't know they could provide a legitimate exchange of goods/services for price.

You know what economics lecture would be worth giving? Explaining to pooners that looking for a bargain basement deal by going out to some shithole basement suite in Surrey or New West is a bad idea and likely to lead to the kind of scenario you're picturing. I know not everybody has the dough but being a bottom feeder with this form of recreation is so nasty.

Stick to well-reviewed, independent providers who respect themselves and their clients.

How much do you save by going to a basement in Surrey? Couldn't you just go less often and save up the $250 to $400 per hour that an independent charges?

 

[tantalizeme]

This thread has gotten more interesting than I expected

How much do you save by going to a basement in Surrey? Couldn't you just go less often and save up the $250 to $400 per hour that an independent charges?

Even the Grand Master of Pooning, Hatrick himself, has provided input! So I've added a poll, in the interest of statistical accuracy.

And, as BORKO points out, brother Hatrick isn't going to spring the dough for an elite companion any time soon. I'd guess, Hatrick enjoys living a little on the edge—and he finds bargain-basement prices add to a lady's erotic appeal. Can relate to this.

I agree with fellow pooners—a minority, perhaps—who'd want to extract a price from the kind of scammer Hatrick faced. The important thing is not to make a scammer think he has found the perfect way to rake in cash by ripping off pooners. That's precisely the message those pooners send who'd just meekly slink away and let him keep his ill-gotten gains.

I applaud Hatrick for kicking the door in and swinging his fist at the scammer's face. I'm a pretty big guy myself, so I've found, most people don't want to mess with me.

But my preferred approach is to talk away interminably. Unless the guy threatens me with imminent violence, I'd try to make a nuisance of myself by alternating appeals to his naked self-interest ("You scam me out of a $100 now—but you'll lose $1000 in business over the next few days") with appeals to his admittedly deficient conscience ("Stealing from your brothers is no way to make your mark in life").
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You can never know when negotiation may bear fruit. You never know what glimmers of reasonableness or conscience a person may have left unless you try to find out. I've had quite a few situations—admittedly different from the one Hatrick faced—where my friendly-dialogue approach yielded results.

Sometimes people decide, it's just easier to get you off their backs by giving you at least part of what you ask for.

Even Hatrick tried to negotiate half his donation back, and the guy pretended to do so. I wonder what would have happened if Hatrick hadn't stepped out the door but had counted the money inside and said, "Hey, brother, you shortchanged me!"

 

[good2bbad]

so...i am a whore i guess.....


Susi, I think we all are whores...and trust me, I mean that in the most respectable way.
g

 

[westcoast555]

How much do you save by going to a basement in Surrey? Couldn't you just go less often and save up the $250 to $400 per hour that an independent charges?

Exactly... it makes you think... for that $120 you're spending on a nasty meth-head skank maybe it's best you don't put your weenie anywhere near her... maybe getting ripped off is the best thing that could happen and you take it as an inexpensive lesson.

 

[Elmore]

How much do you save by going to a basement in Surrey? Couldn't you just go less often and save up the $250 to $400 per hour that an independent charges?

Guys spending 100 bucks or so aren't looking for any kind of connection...they just want sex.

You gotta be crazy to shell out $400 bucks for just sex...wait...never mind.

In all seriousness, the same guys spending far less than you will claim to have better experiences and don't get ripped off or beaten up. Obviously these situations are the exception and not the rule. Hatrick tells stories about spending a helluva lot less than $100 while shagging a lady in his van...not for everyone...that is for sure.

 

[BORKO]

Guys spending 100 bucks or so aren't looking for any kind of connection...they just want sex.

You gotta be crazy to shell out $400 bucks for just sex...wait...never mind.

In all seriousness, the same guys spending far less than you will claim to have better experiences and don't get ripped off or beaten up. Obviously these situations are the exception and not the rule. Hatrick tells stories about spending a helluva lot less than $100 while shagging a lady in his van...not for everyone...that is for sure.

Spending that much (~$400 per hour) for an indie usually just gets you a higher floor for the standard stuff that I find important like the L/A/S, a clean, nice incall in a nice neighbourhood and more professionalism in the booking process. Usually indies don't last long at ~$400 per hour if they don't offer a decent experiene.

I'd think the $100.00 or less per experience comes with a different set of expectations with more hit or miss there like you say.

 

[UhOh]

Hmmmm, troll much? Be sure and use your perb handle when you're booking your appointments.

My first post was referring to the girl that helped set up this theft we're all talking about, she's a whore and a thief in my book. You may feel she's deserving of a more prestige title, I don't.
The second post was a joke, some may see it that way, some may not. Either way I ain't stressin.

I in fact do use my perb handle when booking but I'm not a bottom feeder so less likely to have this sort of encounter. I generally book girls in their 20's, more fun, more chill, not a lot a of time in for the industry to have soured them.

 

[Papa Chongo]

Firstly I'd be surprised that someone pulled that shit on me, I am a guy of some size and have been around the ring so too speak, so I wouldn't leave without my cash, unless of course a weapon was pulled on me, I am not that stupid.

LOL

 

[BORKO]

Options 3 to 5 (other than calling 911) are hilarious and somewhat ridiculous options. Also, wouldn't it be better to report it to that Linda Malcolm (?) lady that susi says handles this kind of thing?