The SP takes your cash, and a guy appears telling you to get lost...what best to do?

[UhOh]

The most wonderful thing about the internet:

You can make yourself sound as tough as you wish; or

Yeah no kidding.
Pretty easy to be Internet tough guy. How many would really like having to explain to family and work why you have a court case against a crackwhore and her pimp. And for a hundred bucks

 

[Papa Chongo]

Yeah no kidding.
Pretty easy to be Internet tough guy. How many would really like having to explain to family and work why you have a court case against a crackwhore and her pimp. And for a hundred bucks

You're kidding yourself if you think the people who tried to rip you off are going to the cops!

 

[UhOh]

You're kidding yourself if you think the people who tried to rip you off are going to the cops!

I didn't suggest they'd be cops. My point is if there's a serious injury, a big enough disturbance that neighbors call cops. If the guy stabs you do you just leave it at that? There will be no referee to stop it when it gets out of control.

 

[badbadboy]

Carry an extendable baton :thumb:

Personally I dont own one nor would I require one as I have no worry about being ripped off at my fave micro.
If I did see sketchy gals of ERSlist or other dicey options I would aquire one for my own security and peace
of mind.Just producing in a flash and snapping it out is intant intimidation no matter how big the aggressive
person is as all it takes is one precise strike to seriously fuck somebody up.

SR

The most wonderful thing about the internet:

You can make yourself sound as tough as you wish; or

You can make yourself sound as smart as you wish.

You choose.

Props to you SF Mike for stating this about pulling an illegal weapon even in a defensive mode.

I have a good friend who kept a baseball bat in his car "just in case". One night he was cut off and flipped the bird at a couple of guys while on the highway. He tried to ditch them but they eventually caught up to him in a parking lot in a Mall. Short story is these punks got in a few good shots on him and he knew he was up for a shit kicking so he got out the Louisville Slugger and laid a pasting on both of them. He broke kneecaps, took out a couple of arms and in the end they were begging for mercy. Cops arrested him and let the punks go to the hospital. During the trial they made up the story that he was the aggressor and they were in defensive mode the whole time. He got a criminal record, can not go to the USA anymore (where he was employed) and needed to see a parole officer for three years.

My advise is if you feel the need to keep a weapon with you, make sure it is legal in Canada i.e. a club used for hitting fish over the head with a wrist band on it so they can not take it away from you, a sock with four rolls of quarters in it or a fixed blade knife if you really want to go hard core. Balisongs, automatic knives and gravity knives are all illegal. You will go to jail even if you pull one out just to intimidate someone.

Collapsible batons are an illegal weapon in Canada, along with nun chucks, brass knuckles etc. If you beat someone with it you would most likely get charged with assault in addition to the weapons charge.

The sane answer is to cut your losses and just chalk it up as another life lesson. You can always make more money but fighting someone over $100 dollars isn't that smart. What happens if he manages to break your arm or leg? You'll be off work and won't be paid for that.

Look at what happened to Grant de Patie, was it really worth it to chase the guy for the $12 in gas that he stole?

For the record, I have seen expandable batons for sale in a store in Vancouver in plain view. 21 and 27" versions. All this stuff is easily accessible via the internet.

 

[NataliaBijoux]

I've seen batons sold at the night markets every summer.. they all sell out very fast

 

[westcoast555]

Props to you SF Mike for stating this about pulling an illegal weapon even in a defensive mode.

I have a good friend who kept a baseball bat in his car "just in case". One night he was cut off and flipped the bird at a couple of guys while on the highway. He tried to ditch them but they eventually caught up to him in a parking lot in a Mall. Short story is these punks got in a few good shots on him and he knew he was up for a shit kicking so he got out the Louisville Slugger and laid a pasting on both of them. He broke kneecaps, took out a couple of arms and in the end they were begging for mercy. Cops arrested him and let the punks go to the hospital. During the trial they made up the story that he was the aggressor and they were in defensive mode the whole time. He got a criminal record, can not go to the USA anymore (where he was employed) and needed to see a parole officer for three years.

My advise is if you feel the need to keep a weapon with you, make sure it is legal in Canada i.e. a club used for hitting fish over the head with a wrist band on it so they can not take it away from you, a sock with four rolls of quarters in it or a fixed blade knife if you really want to go hard core. Balisongs, automatic knives and gravity knives are all illegal. You will go to jail even if you pull one out just to intimidate someone.



For the record, I have seen expandable batons for sale in a store in Vancouver in plain view. 21 and 27" versions. All this stuff is easily accessible via the internet.

Having a baseball bat in the car is a liability.

Personally I keep 'the Club' in my car - the "anti-theft" steering wheel lock. It's a good handy solid piece of metal with a handle and you can keep it in your car without arousing suspicion. If you have to use it, it's there.

Sorry to hear your friend got into legal hassles... I bet at the end of the day it was still probably worth it just to make those punks pay.

It also reminds me of what my martial arts teacher told me. "Do what you have to do, but remember - there are ALWAYS consequences if you fight." One way or another, he was right.

 

[storm rider]

Yeah no kidding.
Pretty easy to be Internet tough guy. How many would really like having to explain to family and work why you have a court case against a crackwhore and her pimp. And for a hundred bucks

Not a matter of being an "internet tough guy".As I stated I dont own an extendable baton but if my
pooning fancy included seeing sketchy gals in risky situations I would own one.I would of course only
use it in defence and the chances of some 3rd time loser calling the cops because he got thrashed
when he tried to rip somebody off are pretty slim to non-existent.

Yes extendable batons and other such hand held weapons are illegal in Canada and so are firecrackers and lawn darts.Yeah I can legally own a semi-automatic high powered ex-military rifle in Canada(limited to a 5 shot magazine of course) that can deal death from long distances but obviously things like lawn darts/fire crackers and extendable batons are far too dangerous for me to own( I do own a set of lawn darts to be honest).

SR

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Yes extendable batons and other such hand held weapons are illegal in Canada and so are firecrackers and lawn darts.

heck, if you pick up a fist sized boulder and beat the shit out of a guy with it, it'll be deemed to be a weapon... break a window and pick up a piece of the glass and you're suddenly 'carrying a weapon'... your vehicle will be deemed a weapon if you use it to injure or kill a guy

it's all about your intent, not the hardware

as westcoast quoted, you do what you have to do, but there will be consequences

what we're really talking about here is defining 'have to do'

 

[kauffman]

Felt sadness all day yesterday, after reading Hatrick`s dramatic report. https://perb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?189668-Karen-9677-ers-don-t-get-rolled-like-I-did

Tremendous pleasure is possible in this hobby, but also many shades of disappointment—and the occasional brutal ripoff.

Hatrick`s altercation with the SP`s pimp/BF (and, most likely, her drug-supplier) is probably the worst incident I`ve yet read about. That it happened to a veteran of this hobby—to my mind, Western Canada`s most famous pooner alive—makes it all the more poignant.

For Hatrick to fight with a guy much stronger than himself was admirably gutsy, but perhaps not the most advisable thing to do. I admire Hatrick`s amazing fortitude. But the money we`re talking about here—I`d guess around $100—was hardly worth the beating he took.

Can`t help asking myself, in this type of situation, what I might do when the lady leaves with my money and a guy appears in her stead telling me to get lost. Here`s what I might say.

Me: "Easy, easy, brother. I guess you don`t know who I am?"

Him: "I don`t care. Get lost!"

Me: "Just a moment, brother. I understand, you need the money. But by stealing my $100 now you`re losing far more than you gain."

Him: "How so, fucker?"

Me: "Well, think about about the bad publicity you`ll get. Guys will write about this place on internet forums. Thousands of guys will read about this ripoff. You`ll have difficulty advertising. Your business will dry up. You may have the cops on your back. Or a guy might come back with a bunch of friends."

Him: "So what! Get the hell out!"

Me: "Sure, right away. Let me just say, I think you`re really a good guy. Of course, you need cash badly. I`m willing to donate my $100. But deep down, aren`t you`re ashamed of the scam you`re pulling here? Ripping off poor guys like me, who just need a little female company."

Him: "Get the hell out. Now!"

Me: "My friend, I have a far better idea how you and your lady might make cash. Lots of it. Thousands of dollars."

Him: "What? Okay, how?"

I might explain to the guy how he and his lady could attract pooner business. The idea is to talk softly, show man-to-man empathy, establish at least minimal rapport, and get him to think about the shortsightedness of his actions.
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No great probability this approach would get me my donation back. Certainly won`t work with a far-gone junkie who can`t think straight.

But maybe it`s worth a try? Just bailing quietly rewards those con men and encourages them to continue their scam. And getting into a fist fight, as Hatrick did, may be even more costly all around.

It`s $100 . if someone needs it that bad let them have it and walk away. Life has a way of evening things out. Im sure his isnt that great if he has to resort to such traps. Be thankful it wasnt worse. You never know what kind of circumstances lead people to make decisions that those of us that are in better positions would never think of making. It`s not the end of the world. It`s a hard thing to have compassion for someone that ripped you off but it feels a lot better in the long run than holding a grudge.

 

[SFMIKE]

Finally....Here it is Oct 6, and somebody here finally mentions baseball.

Where have you been these last 6 months?

Such is life north of the border. But I am looking forward to my Canuck games in a few weeks. It's just not baseball.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

My first post was referring to the girl that helped set up this theft we're all talking about, she's a whore and a thief in my book. You may feel she's deserving of a more prestige title, I don't.
The second post was a joke, some may see it that way, some may not. Either way I ain't stressin.

I in fact do use my perb handle when booking but I'm not a bottom feeder so less likely to have this sort of encounter. I generally book girls in their 20's, more fun, more chill, not a lot a of time in for the industry to have soured them.

I knew exactly what your post was referring to and I am standing by my original response. Sorry but, although you may feel entitled to define the English language in your own terms, whore is not defined by how much a lady charges, as the point was made by susi. This is a rather inappropriate place to make a joke of such, although I'm looking for a joke smiley (hmmmm, nope).

 

[storm rider]

heck, if you pick up a fist sized boulder and beat the shit out of a guy with it, it'll be deemed to be a weapon... break a window and pick up a piece of the glass and you're suddenly 'carrying a weapon'... your vehicle will be deemed a weapon if you use it to injure or kill a guy

it's all about your intent, not the hardware

as westcoast quoted, you do what you have to do, but there will be consequences

what we're really talking about here is defining 'have to do'

I can agree with what you have to say and your opinion and yes there are consequences to be paid for
actions.The chance of a douchebag drug dealing pimp to report you for giving him a serious beat down
that he deserved is slim to none as the LE wont have any sympathy for him at all and verly little sympathy
in general if a pooner was caught with something like an extendable baton which he used to defend himself
against a douchebag that has a known criminal record.

SR

 

[UhOh]

I knew exactly what your post was referring to and I am standing by my original response. Sorry but, although you may feel entitled to define the English language in your own terms, whore is not defined by how much a lady charges, as the point was made by susi. This is a rather inappropriate place to make a joke of such, although I'm looking for a joke smiley (hmmmm, nope).

You're right, it was inappropriate and probably offensive to some. Must of been the booze talking but I didn't mean to offend the readers. I certainly don't feel I'm above anyone else posting or reading or taking part in PERB.
I do hate thieves though.

 

[PlayfulAlex]

You're right, it was inappropriate and probably offensive to some. Must of been the booze talking but I didn't mean to offend the readers. I certainly don't feel I'm above anyone else posting or reading or taking part in PERB.
I do hate thieves though.

Thanks for clearing that up, UhOh...we can all agree, we hate thieves!