"The Cove"

[capt_canada13]

Has anyone watched the documentary the Cove. Sad state of affairs in Japan. Just like "Sharkwaters."

For those who have seen it what are your thoughts?

 

[uncleg]

And people have the nerve to complain about clubbing seals. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Extreme April]

23000 killed a year. And for what? For ppl to be entertained at places like Sea World. It really sickened and outraged me when I saw it.
Well, I know I wont ever go to any sea world of any kind, after watching this.
I have been showing and telling everyone about this documentary.
love and laughs
April

 

[wilde]

Has anyone watched the documentary the Cove. Sad state of affairs in Japan. Just like "Sharkwaters."

For those who have seen it what are your thoughts?

1st thought, kick the living shit out of Mr. "Private Space" then lock him up in a small cell and throw away the keys.
2nd thought, boycott places that have dolphins in captivity for entertainment purposes.
3rd thought, overhaul that joke known as the International Whaling Commission.
Final thought, educate our kids so one day some of our outdated barbaric practices will vanish from the face of this earth.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Final thought, educate our kids so one day some of our outdated barbaric practices will vanish from the face of this earth.

Most likely because there won't be any critters left in the oceans by then. And "by then" is not a long time from now.

(If anyone is interested, you can watch or download them online for free)
SHARKWATER HERE -&- THE COVE HERE


I've seen both documentaries.. They were great (Sharkwater has beautiful underwater footage) but very depressing. Makes me mad to think how truly stupid, greedy and selfish humans are.




This is also worth watching: How we wrecked the ocean - Jeremy Jackson:


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And finally, there's another documentary...


The End of the line: A world without fish (website) --- (Watch online HERE)



Trailer:

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[edmontonsubbie]

This is a very dangerous thread....I should simply walk away...but I need some negative rep points. Personally, I go fishing once a month out at Wabamun Lake for three eyed jack. I have a 14' Lund aluminum boat made by the sweat of 100 immigrants treated poorly. I power it with a 9.9 outboard Merc that is sadly out of tune and spits out more energy than it consumes. Then I lob hand grenades into the water to make the fishing easier. The first one is a bit of a waste, I use it to clear the oil slick that CN deposited three years ago. The second I tie to a 4.5 lb. rock so that it will rapidly descend to 10 meters before exploding. I find that depth to be the best to stun the little guys enough to float them up for catching.

Then I simply tool around the lake netting only the three eyed fish. I slice off the dorsal fin and toss the rest back in....it's only the dorsal fin I want and it MUST be from three eyed fish. Otherwise I would feel bad about labelling my saleable product as being "ORGANIC". Mmmmm....now that's living.

cheers,

eddie.

 

[edmontonsubbie]

Yes Eddie, most people are complete hypocrites. We get all upset about this Dolphin slaughter, yet we think is just fine to do the same with cattle, pigs, chickens, etc..,

I had the misfortune of driving the highway just outside of Bakersfield in Cali while they were herding them through a station of some sort. Hundreds of cattle milling about, awaiting whatever it was we decided of them. The ground was black with shit and piss and the smell was enough to make you feel the desperation these poor animals must have been experiencing. I swore I'd never eat meat again.

Well it didn't last long. I was just not prepared with enough knowledge to replace the meat in my diet with alternatives.
Then the smell of a BBQ would make my mouth water.
I gave up and put my head back in the sand. Certainly I eat a lot less meat than I did in the past but I'm still condoning the death of mammals for my greedy spoiled sense of entitlement.

I have some interesting medical data that actually PROVES why we should never eat mammals.
Will post the info soon. I hope some people here are interested.

Since I'm on a quitting streak-- no more alcohol, cigarettes, coffee, carbonated drinks... I may as well go non-mammal diet too.

Looking forward to looking sexier soon too!!
xoxo
Nina[/QUOTE
Thank you for this reply SNL....I admit to being a chickenshit and logging off after posting it. I rarely post an offensive post.....well, so far as I know. But, this post stood that chance. Your reply was delightful and warrants a response most assuredly.

I will respond in sections....trying to put your crap in italics so that my non italicized crap will show differently...oh, fuck it, the screen keeps jumping around and I haven't the means to control a jumping screen.

most people are complete hypocrites. We get all upset about this Dolphin slaughter, yet we think is just fine to do the same with cattle, pigs, chickens, etc..,

agreed. This brings up the Disneyfication of "cute" animals. We are all inclined to believe that the "cute" animals deserve a better break than the "ugly" ones. Too bad seals are so cute, rabbits, deer, and lions too. I had a g/f...she was cool....who was a child psychologist and her shtick was that "Walt Disney is evil"....what?????? She explained logically, as only someone who has seen a lot and done a lot can do.....that Walt sets up expectations in life...and we buy them. There is, in fact, no fairy princess nor a frog prince to happily hold our hand until days end. I had a subsequent lover with whom I would gladly have done that....but I walked away. She's some cool shit....but, she's baggage at best. For clarity, I am missing her at the moment...I need only speak of her (however that speech is framed) in order to do that.

Having said that, I love that we all get pissed off about the "wrongs" in life. If we didn't, we would still be sending skinny kids down chimneys to cleanse them. Oh, Walt kind of set that up as a good deal too. Sorry Walt, but you piss me off.

I had the misfortune of driving the highway just outside of Bakersfield in Cali while they were herding them through a station of some sort. Hundreds of cattle milling about, awaiting whatever it was we decided of them. The ground was black with shit and piss and the smell was enough to make you feel the desperation these poor animals must have been experiencing. I swore I'd never eat meat again.

Well it didn't last long. I was just not prepared with enough knowledge to replace the meat in my diet with alternatives.
Then the smell of a BBQ would make my mouth water.
I gave up and put my head back in the sand. Certainly I eat a lot less meat than I did in the past but I'm still condoning the death of mammals for my greedy spoiled sense of entitlement.

We all see it daily....but, we are the "masters" of the earth....just read the bible. It tells you so....somewhere. We are entitled...and I love that we all take "umbrage" over the misdoings of our own selves. That....is what a free press is all about. If we were not able to read and educate ourselves about the injustice of others...we would fail to advance. I love free media for that....as we all know though...free can often mean only an opinion well expressed. I have walked out of many the talk thoroughly convinced that the espouser was correct. Good speaker.


I have some interesting medical data that actually PROVES why we should never eat mammals.
Will post the info soon. I hope some people here are interested.

Is it triple blind studied, peer reviewed, and published in a format that invites critique? If so, totally interested. I could use a reason to switch.


Since I'm on a quitting streak-- no more alcohol, cigarettes, coffee, carbonated drinks... I may as well go non-mammal diet too.

Looking forward to looking sexier soon too!!

Rufus Wainwright sings of "cigarettes and chocolate milk"....and Sia sings...."don't ask why I smoke, but I drink to get drunk".....screw the carbonated shit, just pour some tap water into a jug and keep it in the fridge. We are extremely fortunate to have water that is the envy of many.

You cannot possibly look sexier than you just did....you are a fine mind SNL. Do you promise not to let me up for breath on less than 1 minute increments despite my struggling???

hugs,

eddie.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

personally i take a slightly different point of view. we can't even go for a walk without killing some of the 'lower' forms of life such as say, ants... or eat without killing food items such as meat (or potatoes for the veggies among us). so what do we do, never go out of the house? starve to death? no, i believe that if we can't avoid killing things through our activities, then we have to live our lives in such a way that the animals and plants we kill will be proud to become part of us and therefore part of that 'perfect' life we should be constantly striving to achieve. if you are not trying to perfect your life, then you are indeed killing those beings senselessly

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Is there a way you could be killed that would make you proud to become part of a lion (for example)?

I agree there's a difference in the kind of treatment but the end is the same. And I don't think there is one living animal (humans and non-humans) who wants to be another one's meal. Believing any animal would choose to be human food as reason or purpose to be alive is a nice way to try to justify what we do, but that's all it is.


I agree that the outrage we feel about the way these dolphins are killed should apply to every other animal, whether we've been brainwashed to think they're "only food animals" or whether they're part of the family and belong in the pet category.

The truth is that eating meat is not necessary, actually it is unhealthy. So is milk by the way. I look forward to your post with all the info, Nina. I've read a lot of different reasons why it's unhealthy but I'm sure there is lots more I'm not aware of yet.


And the dolphin saga is not any worse then the slaughter of horses right here in our back yard!
Most Canadians don't eat horse meat but it seems we'll slaughter them in the most violent horrible conditions, to profit from selling their flesh to others who do.

Sick. And perfectly "legal".

 

[vancity_cowboy]

Is there a way you could be killed that would make you proud to become part of a lion (for example)?

since you put it that way, NO! however, i have read reports about human near-death experiences (via large carnivores) where the intended victims experienced a strange sort of acceptance that came with a numbness that allowed them to feel themselves being eaten, but without the excruciating pain of flesh and nerves being rended. i never want to go there, but that's what i have read

 

[Miss*Bijou]

! however, i have read reports about human near-death experiences (via large carnivores) where the intended victims experienced a strange sort of acceptance that came with a numbness that allowed them to feel themselves being eaten, but without the excruciating pain of flesh and nerves being rended. i never want to go there, but that's what i have read

Yes, that is the result of our brain/body releasing chemicals.
It's nature's way of saving a prey animal from being fully conscious and feeling the horror of a predator eating them. (I can't remember the specific names etc but I'll add them if I can remember. lol)

Speak for yourself.

True. As can you.

But species did not survive through evolution by offering themselves as food to another species. That would make very little sense.

 

[wilde]

It didn't take long for this thread to get off topic, did it? Have some of you even seen the documentary? It is not about killing animals for food. It dealt with the unnecessary and barbaric practice of slaughtering dolphins and it's cover up by Japanese fishermen in Taiji. They would round up hundreds of dolphins each day, pick the ones that are desirable for the Sea Worlds of the world and kill the rest. This goes on for 6 months every year. The dolphin meat which are very high in mercury are then sold to the public or given to school children often under the disguise of being whale meat.

 

[edmontonsubbie]

It didn't take long for this thread to get off topic, did it? Have some of you even seen the documentary? It is not about killing animals for food. It dealt with the unnecessary and barbaric practice of slaughtering dolphins and it's cover up by Japanese fishermen in Taiji.

you are quite right...I suppose...but I am having a hard time seeing how it came "off topic". What I see are people having fun with it, pushing it, poking fun at it.....and, I think that's pretty cool. As you are not the Original Poster on this....why would you care? And, your beloved Habs have advanced to the Semi's. Go Canada Go! Be well wilde....I am trundling off to bed....say it all...or say nothing at all. That's the beauty of sleeping....I could give a fuck what you do one way or the other.

kindest,

eddie.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

It didn't take long for this thread to get off topic, did it? Have some of you even seen the documentary? It is not about killing animals for food. It dealt with the unnecessary and barbaric practice of slaughtering dolphins and it's cover up by Japanese fishermen in Taiji. They would round up hundreds of dolphins each day, pick the ones that are desirable for the Sea Worlds of the world and kill the rest. This goes on for 6 months every year. The dolphin meat which are very high in mercury are then sold to the public or given to school children often under the disguise of being whale meat.

Yes, I've seen it.
Even if they try to pass it off as whale meat, eating whale is still a problem - many species of whales are endangered... Japan is responsible for the illegal slaughter of hundreds of whales every year despite the fact that the international whaling comission prohibits it. I assure you whale killing is no more prettier than dolphin killing is.


I agree the topic has expanded but to say the thread's gone off topic is not quite true. It all boils down to our attitudes towards animals. All of them, for all the reasons we feel we are entitled to treat them inhumanely and use them for our own benefit or profit. And I think it's hard to comment on the dolphin/shark issue without discussing other non-human animals.

 

[wilde]

you are quite right...I suppose...but I am having a hard time seeing how it came "off topic". What I see are people having fun with it, pushing it, poking fun at it.....and, I think that's pretty cool. As you are not the Original Poster on this....why would you care? And, your beloved Habs have advanced to the Semi's. Go Canada Go! Be well wilde....I am trundling off to bed....say it all...or say nothing at all. That's the beauty of sleeping....I could give a fuck what you do one way or the other.

kindest,

eddie.

Goodnight my friend, "I couldn't give a fuck what you do one way or the other", that's what you meant right? Cause the feeling is mutual...

 

[wilde]

I think the fact is, this thread is about the senseless killing of animals. Sorry to the OP, if they consider this off topic, but I post to help myself in my quest to do the right thing.

May be you should start you own "Meat is murder" thread. This thread is called "The Cove" last time I checked.

 

[HubbaHubba]

Goodnight my friend, "I couldn't give a fuck what you do one way or the other", that's what you meant right? Cause the feeling is mutual...

A lot of hate lately wilde, a lot of hate..................get some looser fitting ginch and lighten up a bit.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

May be you should start you own "Meat is murder" thread. This thread is called "The Cove" last time I checked.

If you start a conversation about the habs with your friends, and after everyone's commented on it, the topic expanded to other teams in the NHL.... would you be telling them all to stick to talking about the habs & only the habs - because that was the original topic?

If you did, I doubt anyone would want to have many discussions with you after that. lol


If you want to spread your negativity around and be rude, why don't you start your own thread to do it. Then you can control the discussion to stay right on topic all you want...but why do it here. If you don't want to discuss anything posted, then don't. But just leave others who choose to alone. Sheesh.

If you're not interested in what's being posted, it's simple, don't read it.

 

[wilde]

If you actually read my previous post, there is nothing in it that talks morals or ethics... What it does, is show you how eating mammal meat and milk is really bad for you.

Thank you for proving how far your have veered off topic.

 

[shedevil]

I've seen it. I loved and hated it all together.

I don't support zoo's, captive breeding, dolphinariums, fur farms, agri-business, pet breeding or any other form of animal exploitation.

I'm so glad the whole world can see that we're "Just a bunch of naked primates out of control..."--Paul Watson