Cops and nurses makes tons in overtime......teachers max out around $80,000 in BC, however, they only work 8 months of the year....and like the cops, nurses,, teachers get a gold plated pension....if they make more in Ontario (they don't) or Yukon, let them move.
Teacher Strike
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I graduated in 1980...one of my high school teachers, who is well into his 70's, is still teaching....he's #1 on the senority list for substitutes, so that lets him work full time.....how does that help a young teacher get into the schools to begin their careers?
And master degrees.....they can take a paid sabbatical to get them or use their summers, it automatically results in them getting a pay increase...but it doesn't make them smarter or better teachers.....just another method to job the system and let the tax payers suffer a bit more
And master degrees.....they can take a paid sabbatical to get them or use their summers, it automatically results in them getting a pay increase...but it doesn't make them smarter or better teachers.....just another method to job the system and let the tax payers suffer a bit more
Actually, it was a report on the home page of Explorer one day. One of those reports where they rank countries. Canada has the highest percentage of post secondary graduates in the world.
As for India, SOME kids might be smarter than the average Canadian, but the great unwashed are most certainly not.
MLA's get $98k/year. Trade envoys to promote us in China cost millions. New stadium roof cost us $600 million. Olympics cost what, $2B+? But we have trouble funding education and health care in the "best place on Earth". 
Exactly, exactly, exactly...are you f*cking kidding me...and the waste continues...MLA's get $98k/year. Trade envoys to promote us in China cost millions. New stadium roof cost us $600 million. Olympics cost what, $2B+? But we have trouble funding education and health care in the "best place on Earth".
MLA's get tax free allowances as well as well fat pensions.....regarding the olympics & bc place...that money has been spent, never to be seen again, so no use bitching about that any more......I can't believe Krusty Clark got into a pissing match with Telus and threw away that $40 million or so in sponsorship money......MLA's get $98k/year. Trade envoys to promote us in China cost millions. New stadium roof cost us $600 million. Olympics cost what, $2B+? But we have trouble funding education and health care in the "best place on Earth".
They already do that, but not to the extent of exclusion in the public school system. ESL students that are tested to be below acceptable comprehension are placed in an ESL class.i realize i'm not driving the price of my personal stock up by suggesting this, but if esl kids are a problem in the schools, the solution to the problem is to require that all students demonstrate an acceptable level of english comprehension. if they can't do that, they can't attend the public school system, period. i'll bet even money that a huge number of privately run schools would pop up whose sole purpose would be to teach english comprehension to esl students, and the competition for students would quickly drive the price of that service down to levels that could be afforded by the working immigrant parent(s)
end of problem
however, that would be too 'conservative' an agenda, and highly unlikely to be welcomed by the mainstream population, the teachers, and certainly not by the esl parents
This was the case when I was in elementary school back in the 90's, not sure if this has changed; but I would not be surprised if it did.
BTW ESL students aren't considered Special Needs.
I believe Special Needs refers to Autistic children, children with down syndrome and other mental health issues or learning disabilities.
I believe you have never heard about "Bill 22"
http://www.canada.com/Provisions+Bill+will+remove+rights+workers/6263615/story.html
Basically bill 22 is going to remove many rights for teachers,e.g. the principal will have so much power, he/ she can fire a teacher with one bad evaluation; senority don't count anymore but pick the ideal person for the right job; not allow to strike-implies no more democracy and etc.
Please check the facts first!
oh, you mean they will be just like in my industry then... omg, shed a tear...
'bout frikkin' time i say! break the back of that union - make true professionals out of them
since when did striking have anything to do with democracy? denying people access to a site is actually quite ANTI-DEMOCRATIC! once upon a time school districts were locally controlled and locally funded, and they hired and fired their own teachers on their merit. THAT was democracy!
better check your history books...
The basic reality is that teachers make $15 to $20 thousand more in Alberta and Ontario. Some commentators seem to think that BC doesn't need to respond to that pay gap at all, unless and until there's a mass exodus of teachers and we have across the board shortages.
What they seem to ignore is the fact that once people have left, mere parity will not bring them back. You'll have to pay a premium.
What they seem to ignore is the fact that once people have left, mere parity will not bring them back. You'll have to pay a premium.
I don't think the wage thing is unsurmountable. They will both posture and banter back n forth and agree to a nominal increase which will bring them more in line with the rest of the teachers nationally. BCTF are wanting smaller class rooms ie more teachers to pay more union dues. The Govt may ending up saying what's your choice? More wages or more teachers? You can't have both.
I DO think the wording in the Gov't bill to recognize excellence in teachers and the reverse by recognizing non performing teachers has the union pissed off. Just imagine being able to let go of some of the non performers like in the private sector? Zing - finally a real world solution for the public sector.
I DO think the wording in the Gov't bill to recognize excellence in teachers and the reverse by recognizing non performing teachers has the union pissed off. Just imagine being able to let go of some of the non performers like in the private sector? Zing - finally a real world solution for the public sector.
Actually, no... it's NOT like your industry. In industry, you can get bad reviews... get enough of them & you'll be pulled in by the boss and questioned. Disciplinary action may or may not follow...and you can always appeal to the LRB or simply sue for wrongful dissmissal (if you have a case).
In the teachers case, simply having a complaint by a child or the parent of a child (say one who goofs off in class and never does homework, ergo gets a bad test result) can be the sole reason for firing the teacher. Also, given the "compatability of the classroom" requirements, either refusing to take unpaid OT work (school sports, drama, music) or perhaps not being a yes man (or, suprise suprise, being part of a union!) to the management... is reason enough for dissmissal.
If the teachers were to go non union & come back as independant educational consultants, they'd break the treasury. Why? With their education and experience, they'd simply negotiate for far higher payments. If they were to simply charge according to a "per head basis" of say $8/hr per child (not unreasonable compared to day care rates), they'd make almost 2k/day (8 hours teaching per day to satisfy the complaints about the 6 hour instructional time, $8 per child, 30 children per class). Remember, most people consider them to be overpaid day care, so why not charge day care rates? Hell, I'd even teach the little blighters for that kind of cash.
Don't like it? Well, it's a free market... either get someone who knows what they're doing, or hire some cheap drunk who'll work for booze. You're choice as to whom you wish to look after your kids.
Regardless, you're missing the point when it comes to bill 22. What it does to Teachers sets a precedent for what the government can do to any contract regulated work place. Notice that I didn't say "unionized", because it doesn't matter whether it's unionized or not. What it effectively means is that any time the government gets involved in a contract dispute (whether because it's the employer or because it has a vested interest), if passed, the precedent set by Bill 22 applies... contracts can simply be ripped up, rewritten, and imposed at unfair and non-negotiated terms.
That hardly seems democratic, don't you think? Now, once passed, it also means that employers have a piece of law to point to if they feel the need to do the same. It really doesn't matter who the contract applies to, union or non union, passing bill 22 essentially puts ALL contracts up on the chopping block... post negotiation.
Great for employers who don't want to spend as much... not so great for contractors and employees that thought their payment terms were safe until the next contract negotiation. Good luck challenging it.
So you see, it's really not about the teachers at all... it's about the rest of us, who'll be potentially put in a serious bind if it goes through. Union, non union... it doesn't matter.
So let them go. An education degree is the easiest post secondary degree there is. I doubt there is any shortage of qualified teaching candidates out there. Quality might drop a bit in the first 2 years but after that nobody would be able to tell the difference
What a horrible concept, picking the right person for the job rather than some deadwood who's managed to stick around longer.
Not being allowed to hold kids hostage is undemocratic? Right.
There will never be a shortage of teachers. The universities keep pumping them out at a greater rate than can be absorbed by industry.
I have never, ever heard of a teacher being fired for a bad complaint. Quite the opposite. The crappy ones can't seem to get fired.
Nope, there is more supply than demand. Way more supply, and the colleges continue to pump them out.
The precedent was set a long time ago. Hospital Employees Union. Air Canada.
I am calling bullshit on this one. Where is your proof?
I have full knowledge of one particular teacher who had three high school classes complain about him for four consecutive years. He would not teach the curriculum and the only way they could get rid of him was to full pension him off. He did not get fired in the end only retired with his file unfettered by the complaints.
Only teacher I know in my life time who was fired was Roger Callow from West Vancouver. Sure there are the paedophiles but this is different. Firing a teacher with cause is next to impossible. The BCTF defended him for several years before finally realizing they were defending a really bad teacher.
http://www.employeescasecanada.com/harper.htm
They'd realize how good their deal was compared to the private sector. The only thing that will be broken is their sense of inflated worth...
There's a lot of intentionally imflammatory rhetoric in your post, but the statement that no teacher or other public servant is ever fired is false. I think you know that.
There are shortages of teachers in certain fields now, such as high school math and science and in PE in some areas.
They'd realize how good their deal was compared to the private sector. The only thing that will be broken is their sense of inflated worth...
How many games can we play on one subject. On the one hand people are saying they're vastly overpaid. If it's pointed out they make as much as 30% less than their counterparts in nearby Alberta, they're told suck it up and move there.
If you end up with an overall shortage, not just some specialties, it will cost more to get these people or others to consider BC as a career location.
