And I just realized I misspelled "Susi" as "Suzy", as in "Suzy Derkens", ala Calvin and Hobbes fame. Doh!
[SUZY] So, a doctor just told me...
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Question Susie: According to the OP, the doctor talking about this said that the statistics were gleaned from "actual medical visits" - which is why I made the comment about probably being from ER 'rape kit' visits.
However, if the sample group was a group of "at-risk" youth aged 11 to 17, was the information derived from "medical visits" or was it from some kind of survey of the youth at youth drop-in centres?
Could be from girls arrested and incarcerated in youth detention centres who then visit the doctor while inside the detention centre. But I don't know if they lock up 13, 12, 11, . . .. year olds. I do know that they lock up the older girls for prostitution - at least I know they did ten years ago. A friend worked at one of them in the lower mainland and told me tales of that 'sale' going on inside too, that some guards were all about trading favours with the girls and some of the girls were eager to trade favours too.
It would be interesting to know how old each of the providers on perb were their first time professionally. How old were you? Or, how old was your friend when she started in the trade? All the press we read or news we hear says 13, 14, under 17 or something like that and I have come to believe that. That most women are not in the profession because as they grew up they thought, "damn, wouldn't it be nice once day to be . . . ." . My experiences have shown me that many women are in it because they have to for one reason or another - pimp, drugs, education (lack of it or to obtain more), life trauma or some sort recent or past. And I accept that we each have our own story we live, that I buy sex because I too am not a perfect person and have my own issues to work on. . . . and many people will never resolve all life's challenges . . . . so WTF why not accept that some people will find themselves being used one way or another (we all gotta serve somebody) and that sex is a commodity, always has been always will be. We can't save everyone all the time and some don't want to be saved for a whole lotta reasons . . .
had a few beers so I apologize for the gaps in my thinking
It would be interesting to know how old each of the providers on perb were their first time professionally. How old were you? Or, how old was your friend when she started in the trade? All the press we read or news we hear says 13, 14, under 17 or something like that and I have come to believe that. That most women are not in the profession because as they grew up they thought, "damn, wouldn't it be nice once day to be . . . ." . My experiences have shown me that many women are in it because they have to for one reason or another - pimp, drugs, education (lack of it or to obtain more), life trauma or some sort recent or past. And I accept that we each have our own story we live, that I buy sex because I too am not a perfect person and have my own issues to work on. . . . and many people will never resolve all life's challenges . . . . so WTF why not accept that some people will find themselves being used one way or another (we all gotta serve somebody) and that sex is a commodity, always has been always will be. We can't save everyone all the time and some don't want to be saved for a whole lotta reasons . . .
had a few beers so I apologize for the gaps in my thinking
probably does not take into account the asian aunties who will now be moving the average way up
with their younger looks they are able to stay in the business a lot longer than most non-asians
with their younger looks they are able to stay in the business a lot longer than most non-asians
here's a great description of the flaws of those numbers
http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/the-law-of-averages/
which were actually based on this study http://maggiemcneill.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/estes-weiner-2001.pdf
which is deeply flawed in the way i described and is a myth proliferated by melissa farely and other abolitionists
it does not appear that the study was done via rape crisis center or medical check up either but rather focuses on as i said before youth at risk, not adult sex workers.
http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/11/27/the-law-of-averages/
which were actually based on this study http://maggiemcneill.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/estes-weiner-2001.pdf
which is deeply flawed in the way i described and is a myth proliferated by melissa farely and other abolitionists
it does not appear that the study was done via rape crisis center or medical check up either but rather focuses on as i said before youth at risk, not adult sex workers.
here's an article about child rescue and the fad its become amongst evangelicals....
http://www.pointofinquiry.org/kathr...ers_rescue_trafficking_and_the_new_gospel_of/
its one of those things...people's greatest fear is their child being exploited so abolitionists use that fear to justify all kinds of things...its crazy really......
http://www.pointofinquiry.org/kathr...ers_rescue_trafficking_and_the_new_gospel_of/
its one of those things...people's greatest fear is their child being exploited so abolitionists use that fear to justify all kinds of things...its crazy really......
You misunderstand statistics. If you have two 13 year old SPs and one 40 year old SP, the average age is 13, not 22. The actual age of the individuals is irrelevant, it does not enter into the equation. You could equally well say you have two green SPs and one purple one, then the average SP would be green.
That's very interesting news, Tugela...in other words, the statistical term 'average' simply relates to the majority, in this case, the average/majority of sex workers in sample (1) was 13, and in sample (2) green. Fascinating shit. That's why they can always statistically prove whatever they want to prove. Wow!
Everyone has their own reason, the one they tell people and the one they don't (the real reason). When you get down to it the real reason in almost all cases is materialistic in one way or another.
If you have to explain to people why you are doing something that society holds in disregard, I don't think there are many people who will say they did it for the money or self gratification in some form. Rather, they will give some other reason or point the finger somewhere else as explanation, anything that shifts the "blame" somewhere else, they had no choice, etc etc.
It is not only SPs who do this, the clients do it was well, albeit from a different angle.
I realize that in some cases people really do have no option, but 99% of the time it is a conscious decision.
Within this community, I believe you are going to find a whole lotta 'conscious decision'...
The age is a property of the individuals, it doesn't have a numeric value in itself. Just think of it as a token, and group people based on what token corresponds to them. And from that you can figure out which token is the average one.
For example, if you had a group of 100 people, and 99 of them were 1 year old, and the last one was 100 years old. Their average age wouldn't be 50, it would be 1. The 100 year old would just be a massive outlier of the group as a whole, and you can't use that to infer a general property (in this case, age).
IMO, of course you are. But you can be equally certain that when confronted with the fact of their activities, the vast majority are going to be trying to misdirect attention away from that conscious decision by pointing the finger else where.
You misunderstand statistics. If you have two 13 year old SPs and one 40 year old SP, the average age is 13, not 22. The actual age of the individuals is irrelevant, it does not enter into the equation. You could equally well say you have two green SPs and one purple one, then the average SP would be green.
The median age is 13, the average age is 22 (13+13+40=66/3=22)....irregardless, these stats are b.s.
The median age is 13, the average age is 22 (13+13+40=66/3=22)....irregardless, these stats are b.s.
hey tug, i'm not sure what you are saying here. i always thought ages were data, and that the calculation of central tendencies was very straightforward, but i'm always open to being re-educated
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_tendency
Translation for those who didn't get what he is saying. The school shootings in the US are all fake, designed to create an atmosphere in which the Obama administration can take away guns from the righteous. I am not sure if they never happened, were carried out by patsies set up by the CIA/Democratic Party/Whoever, or what the theory is beyond that. You would have to google the conspiracy nut sites to find out more.
actually, using your example, the average age would be either 1 or 2 depending on which method you use the mean average being 2 yrs old ,and both median and mode being 1 yr old
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I was about to make a joke about your response, Cherise, then I remembered that in some places... 1+ *is* considered fair game by the sickest scum of the earth, and that kind of bummed me out and put a damper on any jocularity.
I was about to make a joke about your response, Cherise, then I remembered that in some places... 1+ *is* considered fair game by the sickest scum of the earth, and that kind of bummed me out and put a damper on any jocularity.
