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[vancity_cowboy]

Report: 2 teachers face charges for alleged threesome with teen student
Posted 8:40 pm, October 1, 2014, by Mark Green FOX13 News Salt Lake City

KENNER, La. – Two teachers are facing felony charges after the two of them allegedly had sex simultaneously with a then-16-year-old student who has been a student in both women’s classrooms.

FOX 13 News sister station WGNO reports 32-year-old Shelley Dufresne and 24-year-old Rachel Respess, both of whom are English teachers at Destrehan High School, face felony charges relating to the alleged sexual misconduct.

Kenner Police Chief Michael Glaser tells WGNO the two teachers met with the student on September 12 and drove to Respess’ apartment, where the three engaged in sexual acts that lasted until the early morning hours of September 13.

“You have an educator, I guess, the responsibility is the safety and education of the children and when it goes outside those lines I believe the community should be outraged,” Glaser told WGNO.

The student is now 17 but was 16 at the time of the incident, and WGNO reports that fellow students allege the student and the two teachers have been involved for some time and had even recorded some of the sexual encounters.

Glasner tells WGNO the student has been in the classroom of both women.

“This Rachel Respess was an English teacher of the victim last school year, so she did have some type of contact and knew him. Shelley Dufresne is his current teacher,” he said.

they just didn't make them like that in my school

 

[Slapshot1]

My teachers used to be blue haired groupies that were really really mean!!!!

 

[Elle Diablo]

they just didn't make them like that in my school

This is pretty disgusting....

It's hilarious, and very interesting, how there can be such a difference of perspective ... one stems from a (perceived) childhood fantasy and one is rooted in a perceived reality that children should be sheltered from evil doers.

I would never have wanted for anyone to go through what some adults have been put through in the media (for such indiscretions), but I fantasized, prolifically, of getting on some aged hotties when I was just a wee minor! I think that lead to my educational downfall

 

[uncleg]

Report: 2 teachers face charges for alleged threesome with teen student
Posted 8:40 pm, October 1, 2014, by Mark Green FOX13 News Salt Lkae City



they just didn't make them like that in my school

Had gym teacher in my high school that was reasonable match for the one on the left..........wore short shorts and high heels in school.......lots of whiplash.

This is pretty disgusting.... how sad to take your authority as an educator and betray the trust of the children, parents and community like this. I hope they get a good prison term.

Really..........16 year old boy...........you really think he felt betrayed ? He was probably "nah, nahing" every other guy in that school. Mothers, probably pissed right off......fathers, they were probably also pissed off, but only because these two weren't around when they were in school.

It's hilarious, and very interesting, how there can be such a difference of perspective ... one stems from a (perceived) childhood fantasy and one is rooted in a perceived reality that children should be sheltered from evil doers.

I would never have wanted for anyone to go through what some adults have been put through in the media (for such indiscretions), but I fantasized, prolifically, of getting on some aged hotties when I was just a wee minor! I think that lead to my educational downfall

Had a teacher that had the George Clooney thing going..........go around any classroom after he was teaching and check out the girls seats, all had wet spots except the lesbians and some of those were thinking of switching.

 

[uncleg]

The boy may not feel that way, but students in general will feel conflicted with the trust of a teacher when this kind of stuff is happening. How does a child look up to their teacher and trust them as a figure of authority and as an educator when these stories seem to be regular in the news these days. It is children of all ages who learn of these incidents that will be affected. For children in the middle school age who are exposed to these stories it could be rather creepy and leave some children having very confused feelings about it.

And yes these children both male and female involved in relationships with teachers are very adversely affected at times.

http://abc13.com/archive/9406285/

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2...uicide_judge_makes_really_stupid_remarks.html

14 year old girl, 54 year old man...yup I can see the issue........but the other example ???? Did you read the comments ? Seems this kid put the move on the teacher, not the other way around. Where do you get the, "students in general" position from ?

 

[MissingOne]

There do have to be rules for how teachers can interact with students, and "hands off" is pretty much the only way to go. If we make exceptions, then no-one knows what the rules are. A sixteen-year-old guy may not be traumatized, but I'd say that if said sixteen-year-old puts the moves on a teacher, and the teacher goes for it, that teacher is too immature to be in a position of such authority.

 

[clu]

It's ok for a minor to fantasize/have a crush/be attracted to an authority figure or adult celebrity. The problem is when it's the other way around... The adult should know better.

 

[1nitestan]

I know for sure that I could/should never become a teacher. Have you had a glance at how teenage girls are built these days? Blame it on steroids in food etc. but holy shit...... The amount of unclean thoughts that go through my brain while riding transit during before/after school hours....it's best I keep these to myself. I dunno how teachers do it, but I guess when you're exposed to kids all day, you get immune to them. I have a good (female) friend who teaches high school and she doesn't see how any sane woman could be attracted to teenaged boys. According to her, they are all pretty gross and smell (badly) of hormones and Axe body spray (she says as she makes the vomiting expression). LOL

 

[76duster]

This is pretty disgusting.... betray the trust of the children

A 16 year old is not a child. Big difference between a boy of 12 and a 16 year old teen male.

They should lose their license, but criminal charges? Give me a break. He loved it, he knew what he was doing, and he'll forever for the rest of his adult life think it was a great thing and never regret it unless he gets shamed for it over and over by mainstream people who can't think for themselves.

 

[Tugela]

This is pretty disgusting.... how sad to take your authority as an educator and betray the trust of the children, parents and community like this. I hope they get a good prison term.

You are assuming this kid is telling the truth of course.

Lets see....two young blonde teachers, probably the more attractive ones in the school, and they just happen to get together for an all night orgy together with him (according to him of course).

Then, naturally, all the other kids are gossiping about their "relationship" (rumors probably started by him no doubt).

It sounds like a teenage schoolboy fantasy to me, but in this case he doesn't mind destroying two lives in the process.

 

[lurkerbelow]

A 16 year old is not a child...

Not in the eyes of the law.

You need to spend time, as an adult, around some 16 year olds. They are still developing in so many ways and are meant to be exploring and discovering their sexuality with their peers, not the adults who are paid and trusted to help guide them through one of life's most challenging stages and play roles of mentors and teachers.

I understand that we're not conditioned to see this young man as a victim the same way we might if the gender roles were swapped but trust me, it's just as wrong.

 

[Tugela]

I am just giving examples of a female student and a male student.... there are ton of out there if you look. The first link I gave about the boy who was driven to the brink of suicide because he felt so guilty after the teacher was jailed. These teachers broke the law and how do we know this boy won't feel the same way? There was a story in the news years ago about a boy who actually killed himself because he fell in love with the teacher and after the affair was halted he could not deal with his emotions... maybe a young boy wants it, but how does he deal with his feelings when the arrest of the teacher is made and the events that transpire afterwards. The psychological damage isn't necessarily from the sexual acts that the boy enjoyed, it could be from the aftermath of it coming out.

My position of "Students in general", refers to how confusing it could be for young, developing minds to interpret their own relationship with teachers. A harmless pat on the back or hand on the shoulder from a teacher could make a child wonder if there was something wrong with that. There is a lot that anyone could say on that topic... "Harm Reduction", comes to mind.... for me personally as a child I had a teacher who used to tell us girls we had nice jeans and to turn around so he could see our ass... comments like that and honestly it creeped us out. When you are a child and you look up to one or maybe even more of your teachers and then you keep hearing these kinds of stories in the news it will have an impact on "Some", of those students. We have to keep in mind this isn't about a boy's fantasy, but about how this impacts students when people who they are supposed to be able to trust and look to for guidance, are not always the people they thought them to be. That can cause "Trust", issues for some of these kids growing up.

Maybe just fire the teacher instead of putting them in jail perhaps? Then the kid who is in love with him/her is not going to be broken up by guilt (and that guilt comes from them KNOWING they were an active party in the relationship, not a "victim")

I can't speak for girls of course, perhaps they are just delicate creatures easily shattered (I rather doubt that though), but as someone who actually once was a teenage boy IMO anyone who thinks these kids are "damaged" is in the market for shiny new bridges. At that age they are obsessed with sex and how they are going to get it. 99.9% would jump at the opportunity if it presented itself without a second thought.

The "trauma" these kids experience is not because of their escapades with these teachers, it is because of all the drama society creates when it is found out.

 

[lurkerbelow]

You are assuming this kid is telling the truth of course.

I believe the entire discussion thus far in the thread is making the same assumption. Largely because it is completely possible that it IS true. just as possible and maybe even more so that it isn't but that part will be for the courts to determine.

 

[Tugela]

Not in the eyes of the law.

You need to spend time, as an adult, around some 16 year olds. They are still developing in so many ways and are meant to be exploring and discovering their sexuality with their peers, not the adults who are paid and trusted to help guide them through one of life's most challenging stages and play roles of mentors and teachers.

I understand that we're not conditioned to see this young man as a victim the same way we might if the gender roles were swapped but trust me, it's just as wrong.

I wouldn't see a 16 year old girl as a victim in that situation either, she would be just as culpable as any boy.

IMO, if we do have these sorts of laws, any minor over 14 involved should be sharing the punishment equally with the adult they shack up with.

Maybe then we might see fewer of these crushes, because there would real consequences for engaging in them. As things stand the average kid doesn't give a crap if they find themselves in that sort of situation because they have nothing at all to lose from it or consequences to fear. If anything, they derive a certain power from it, and that thrill in itself is a big motivation to get involved.

 

[Tugela]

I believe the entire discussion thus far in the thread is making the same assumption. Largely because it is completely possible that it IS true. just as possible and maybe even more so that it isn't but that part will be for the courts to determine.

I doubt it.

Think about it.....what would the odds of that actually happening be? A conspiracy like that?

Then think about the odds that a schoolboy might have that sort of fantasy.

Weigh those two things together.

Remember, these two women are having their lives destroyed. If the system is going to drag them through the mud, they had better be pretty damned sure that it is true, because if it is not, what they are doing to these two women is pretty horrific, essentially it is a form of state sanctioned rape.

If it turns out to be a fantasy what are they going to say? "Oops...sorry about that. Just move along then". How would you fix that sort of damage?

 

[vancity_cowboy]

re: male students contemplating/committing suicide over their adult teacher sex partners getting caught and punished for the act

imho, the problem is with these students, and the problem is that they have suicidal tendencies. if they didn't knock themselves off because their teacher nookie-buddy got busted for it, they would knock themselves off because they got jilted by their first steady student-age girlfriend... or because they failed to get high enough grades to go to the college of their choice... or because their folks got divorced... or because of a long list of life's other disappointments that the rest of us have to learn to shrug off

to blame sex with somebody at ANY age for their suicidal tendencies shows how politically correct western society has become, and how the sex abolishionists have completely permeated the world of journalism

this fear that the media is creating - fear of even sending your male children TO SCHOOL TO GET AN EDUCATION (!) is ludicrous and by defying logic it contributes to the dummy-down process that is already so entrenched in our school system

in case you haven't done so already, just call me redneck... :violin:

 

[hornygandalf]

There is another issue here other than the age of the teenager... which means legally it was out-of-bounds (at least, under Canadian law I believe), let alone the possible psychological ramifications. These women were in a position of authority over the boy as teachers, who no doubt were also grading him. How can you be objective about the work of a student when you are also fucking him? It is an unequal situation, that also potentially would cause resentment with other students if they perceived he was getting any special treatment as a result of his relationship with them.

I face the same issue with the many attractive young (and not so young) ladies I deal with on a frequent basis. I am in a position of authority, so there are certain boundaries I don't cross, even if they are flirting with me and demonstrating their affection... and I might be secretly lusting after them as well. it is not worth it for the multiple complications and problems that could result. But, the eye candy and massaging of one's ego is a nice side benefit.

 

[Fullhouse]

I don't know what is reality or what is fiction in this story, I wasn't there. I can only judge by what has been reported, and the quote below tells me that it is very likely that it happened.
And if some of the sexual encounters,... (please note they are talking 'plural'), ... were recorded-.. that would certainly strengthen the felony charges.

"The student is now 17 but was 16 at the time of the incident, and WGNO reports that fellow students allege the student and the two teachers have been involved for some time and had even recorded some of the sexual encounters."

 

[Fullhouse]

your logic is hilarious

And pray tell, LuckyDick, what part of my post is hilarious.

I didn't say anything that is funny, as I've been known to do, -------- I only commented on something factual ..... the fact that this quote is there for all to see.


"The student is now 17 but was 16 at the time of the incident, and WGNO reports that fellow students allege the student and the two teachers have been involved for some time and had even recorded some of the sexual encounters."

 

[1nitestan]