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[Elle Diablo]

So ... are most people appalled because the kid is 16 (and presumably has no clue what he's doing) or because he did "it" with his teachers?

If the roles were changed up a bit would it still be as appalling? The kid is 16, he has a summer job as a pool boy. There's a lonely housewife of 35, she serves up Long Island Ice Teas one afternoon while he's skimming leaves off the water ... If you've watched porn I'm sure you know what can happen next. She's not a teacher, she's not an authority figure (at least not his), she doesn't have to accept responsibility as a role model. Would this scenario be acceptable or is she scarring the "boy" for life?

 

[Lo-ki]

" the two of them allegedly had sex simultaneously with a then-16-year-old student who has been a student in both women’s classrooms."

**WET DREAM**


I am off to clean Elle's swimming pool..even if she doesn't have one

 

[Toon]

Maybe just fire the teacher instead of putting them in jail perhaps? Then the kid who is in love with him/her is not going to be broken up by guilt (and that guilt comes from them KNOWING they were an active party in the relationship, not a "victim")

I can't speak for girls of course, perhaps they are just delicate creatures easily shattered (I rather doubt that though), but as someone who actually once was a teenage boy IMO anyone who thinks these kids are "damaged" is in the market for shiny new bridges. At that age they are obsessed with sex and how they are going to get it. 99.9% would jump at the opportunity if it presented itself without a second thought.

The "trauma" these kids experience is not because of their escapades with these teachers, it is because of all the drama society creates when it is found out.

I think this needs to be stated again. and even again.

The "trauma" these kids experience is not because of their escapades with these teachers, it is because of all the drama society creates when it is found out.

 

[vancity_cowboy]

So ... are most people appalled because the kid is 16 (and presumably has no clue what he's doing) or because he did "it" with his teachers?

If the roles were changed up a bit would it still be as appalling? The kid is 16, he has a summer job as a pool boy. There's a lonely housewife of 35, she serves up Long Island Ice Teas one afternoon while he's skimming leaves off the water ... If you've watched porn I'm sure you know what can happen next. She's not a teacher, she's not an authority figure (at least not his), she doesn't have to accept responsibility as a role model. Would this scenario be acceptable or is she scarring the "boy" for life?

to explore the above fantasy a little further, she would be in a position of authority over the 'child' because she is paying for his pool cleaning services, albeit indirectly through the pool servicing company. therefore she would legally be prevented from seducing him

however, if the wife of the next door neighbour (or better yet the college-aged daughter of the next door neighbour :eyebrows: ) were to take notice of him and decide to seduce him... well bring it i say

 

[Slapshot1]

The age of consent in Canada is 16, in the states 16-18, and in La, 17. This is why the teachers have been charged. Hell, I lost my V at 16 and probably wished it had been earlier. Do you really think he didn't want to do what he did?? The issue here was the fact that they taught him and had "control" over him.
Is he a "victim"? According to state law, yes, but common sense says he was into it and didn't say no!
As a coach of 14-15 year old boys, I hear some pretty wicked stuff come out of their mouths, enough to even make me stand back and say "What???" Kids today are learning about this stuff at an alarmingly young age thanks to the internet and as a parent it can be disturbing. The best we can do is educate them about sex and hope for the best. And yes, I've already have had "the talk" with my 14 year old and hope like hell some of it sunk in. When you get the response " yeah Dad I know" it opens the eyes.

 

[manni]

so the school board is cutting sex ed as well?

 

[ddcanz]

If you've experienced this or a similar sort of scenario, situation or even fantasy-come-true, whether instigated by yourself as a hormone-driven teen or by the so-called more mature or trusted "authority figures" then you know that you will most likely eventually carry some baggage in some fashion, and ultimately end up with some level of trust and intimacy issues. Easy to laugh and joke and say "boy-o-boy, should have been me" but the reality is not quite so shiny. I'm sure that some teens can handle it, but I also guarantee you that many can not. The law is there for a reason.

 

[Tugela]

The age of consent in Canada is 16, in the states 16-18, and in La, 17. This is why the teachers have been charged. Hell, I lost my V at 16 and probably wished it had been earlier. Do you really think he didn't want to do what he did?? The issue here was the fact that they taught him and had "control" over him.
Is he a "victim"? According to state law, yes, but common sense says he was into it and didn't say no!
As a coach of 14-15 year old boys, I hear some pretty wicked stuff come out of their mouths, enough to even make me stand back and say "What???" Kids today are learning about this stuff at an alarmingly young age thanks to the internet and as a parent it can be disturbing. The best we can do is educate them about sex and hope for the best. And yes, I've already have had "the talk" with my 14 year old and hope like hell some of it sunk in. When you get the response " yeah Dad I know" it opens the eyes.

The interesting thing is that in California all sex with someone under 18 is illegal, and there are no age exceptions. But how many people there are still virgins by the time they turn 18? Obviously there is an enormous amount of statutory rape going on, and the vast majority of Californians are guilty of it.

 

[Tugela]

If you've experienced this or a similar sort of scenario, situation or even fantasy-come-true, whether instigated by yourself as a hormone-driven teen or by the so-called more mature or trusted "authority figures" then you know that you will most likely eventually carry some baggage in some fashion, and ultimately end up with some level of trust and intimacy issues. Easy to laugh and joke and say "boy-o-boy, should have been me" but the reality is not quite so shiny. I'm sure that some teens can handle it, but I also guarantee you that many can not. The law is there for a reason.

It is there for a reason, but it has nothing to do with "damage", and everything to do with not liking your kids having sex with someone. The "damage" argument is made so that they can rationalize making a big drama about the event, when a more sensible thing to do would be to handle the situation in civil court (using tools such as injunctions and professional disciplinary hearings) together with counselling/education. That is why they tact the words "rape" and "sexual assault" onto those cases, when clearly nothing of the sort happened. By doing that they can demonize the person accused, pretend that their darling daughter/son is a "victim" who was powerless in the situation and basically avoid having a frank conversation about sex and responsibility with their kid. They don't want to talk about it, and they don't want the schools to talk about it, because the subject makes them uncomfortable. What then happens is the kid (who wants these experiences btw) is left to their own devices to discover for themselves all this stuff, and along the way they make poor choices.

Read this article to see just how poor their choices can be: http://o.canada.com/news/national/b...ttered-reputation-following-false-accusations

 

[Tugela]

And pray tell, LuckyDick, what part of my post is hilarious.

I didn't say anything that is funny, as I've been known to do, -------- I only commented on something factual ..... the fact that this quote is there for all to see.


"The student is now 17 but was 16 at the time of the incident, and WGNO reports that fellow students allege the student and the two teachers have been involved for some time and had even recorded some of the sexual encounters."

I bolded the bit you obviously missed: they are referring to RUMOURS. The reporter didn't see any recording, the police didn't mention any recording, what you have are rumors, and the only people who would have been able to start such rumours would have been the teachers or the boy. Clearly the teachers wouldn't do that, so that leaves the boy.

 

[Tugela]

So ... are most people appalled because the kid is 16 (and presumably has no clue what he's doing) or because he did "it" with his teachers?

If the roles were changed up a bit would it still be as appalling? The kid is 16, he has a summer job as a pool boy. There's a lonely housewife of 35, she serves up Long Island Ice Teas one afternoon while he's skimming leaves off the water ... If you've watched porn I'm sure you know what can happen next. She's not a teacher, she's not an authority figure (at least not his), she doesn't have to accept responsibility as a role model. Would this scenario be acceptable or is she scarring the "boy" for life?

That is just it, the account sounds like one of those highly improbable porn scripts, which is why I think it is made up. I would guess that he told friends this "story", they told their friends and so on. Eventually these stories reached the authorities and they swooped in and dragged these two women into court. They probably had no idea what was going on.

When I was in school it was pretty common for guys to make outlandish and wild claims about sex, and I am pretty damned sure that few and likely none of those stories were true.

 

[Fullhouse]

I bolded the bit you obviously missed: they are referring to RUMOURS. The reporter didn't see any recording, the police didn't mention any recording, what you have are rumors, and the only people who would have been able to start such rumours would have been the teachers or the boy. Clearly the teachers wouldn't do that, so that leaves the boy.

Tugela, it is never a very good idea to post something in the middle of the night, when your brain's capacity only works at a sleepy pace, particular when it has been over burdened by posting in the same thread over a period of at least 5 hours..

I have read all of your 8 posts in this thread, and it appears that IYHO this is a set up - the sex with those teachers never happened. Well, you certainly are entitled to your opinion, even though they may not be very factual..

You say that you bolded the bit that I obviously missed ------ well, right back at you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You obviously missed that my "factual" refers to the fact that there is a quote for all to see. I didn't say that the things mentioned in that quote actually happened, I didn't say or even hint that the reporter saw a recording, or that the police mentioned any tape.

If you ever have a chance to read my OP #23, (it's not that difficult, just scroll back one page and look for #23, you'll find it right between #22 and #24), you'll see this sentence:
" And if some of the sexual encounters,... (please note they are talking 'plural'), ... were recorded-.. that would certainly strengthen the felony charges"

I used the word "if", like in "if they were recorded", and also "would", like in "would strengthen charges"......What part of "if" don't you understand ????..I never said that those sexual encounters were actually recorded, 'cause that would be just an assumption on my part --- and certainly would not be factual.

Well Tugela, I should stop here, because I think I lost your comprehension capability the first time you read the word "factual", which is the last word on line 4...Mind you, that is just my opinion, it may not be factual.

 

[Fullhouse]

and the only people who would have been able to start such rumours would have been the teachers or the boy. Clearly the teachers wouldn't do that, so that leaves the boy.

So Tugela, please tell us, (the masses want to know) , why do you appear to be convinced that the sexual encounter, or encounters, between those 2 teachers and a 16 old student never happened, that they are all just rumors, started by the boy, and just a big conspiracy to ruin the life of 2 teachers and their families ?????

Do you know or have you talked to the boy ????........What about Shelly Dufresne or Rachel Respess, the 2 teachers. Do you know them or maybe exchange e-mails with them????

Maybe you know some students or other teachers at Destrehan High School in Kenner, LA., who have confirmed your belief, or did you possibly visit Kenner, LA. since these alleged acts took place???

Do you even know where Kenner, LA. is ????? And 'North America' is not an acceptable answer.

 

[take8easy]

I am not amazed that men react to these news differently than women. lol

I am sure most of us guys are going, "How come I never had teachers like that when I was ... young."

 

[uncleg]

 

[Slapshot1]

The interesting thing is that in California all sex with someone under 18 is illegal, and there are no age exceptions. But how many people there are still virgins by the time they turn 18? Obviously there is an enormous amount of statutory rape going on, and the vast majority of Californians are guilty of it.

Just California? I'm probably going to lean towards the entire continent and quite possibly the plant.

 

[uncleg]

Just California? I'm probably going to lean towards the entire continent and quite possibly the plant.

........well if a plant is involved I'd say statutory is a given......haven't seen many trees running around lately.

 

[Tugela]

Tugela, it is never a very good idea to post something in the middle of the night, when your brain's capacity only works at a sleepy pace, particular when it has been over burdened by posting in the same thread over a period of at least 5 hours..

I have read all of your 8 posts in this thread, and it appears that IYHO this is a set up - the sex with those teachers never happened. Well, you certainly are entitled to your opinion, even though they may not be very factual..

You say that you bolded the bit that I obviously missed ------ well, right back at you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You obviously missed that my "factual" refers to the fact that there is a quote for all to see. I didn't say that the things mentioned in that quote actually happened, I didn't say or even hint that the reporter saw a recording, or that the police mentioned any tape.

If you ever have a chance to read my OP #23, (it's not that difficult, just scroll back one page and look for #23, you'll find it right between #22 and #24), you'll see this sentence:
" And if some of the sexual encounters,... (please note they are talking 'plural'), ... were recorded-.. that would certainly strengthen the felony charges"

I used the word "if", like in "if they were recorded", and also "would", like in "would strengthen charges"......What part of "if" don't you understand ????..I never said that those sexual encounters were actually recorded, 'cause that would be just an assumption on my part --- and certainly would not be factual.

Well Tugela, I should stop here, because I think I lost your comprehension capability the first time you read the word "factual", which is the last word on line 4...Mind you, that is just my opinion, it may not be factual.

No, you just accepted that there was a recording of an orgy, no matter how outlandish and improbable that might be, based on high school rumours. Because that is what that "report" is based on.

 

[dickotoole]

Damn, I coulda bin damaged as a high schooler but didn't have the nerve to follow through. It was just easier to go home and masturbate, again, and yet again. And some more. A beautiful young and terribly horny sexy teacher who flaunted it big time. I could never figure out why the school never told her to tone it down but they didn't. Regular nipple shows. Regular invites to study after school and in the evenings at her place. I was just too chicken. Meanwhile a female friend that was more than a bit promiscuous started dating our teacher. Most of the guys in the class, well, plenty at least, had her but none could keep her until the teacher and her became a couple. They got married after she graduated and lived happily ever after. He was about ten years older than us. Back to horny perv female teacher. Only one guy I know spent time with her. He was more than capable of managing his emotions because she was his fuck toy. She went to his hockey practices (he and I were on the same team) and other events after a while he tried to get rid of her but she kept on wanting his services. It took about a year to shake her. Fantasy? Sure. but so many kids are at different stages of mental development and so few, in my opinion, could handle it.

If the story is true the female teachers ought to be treated just as male teachers would be. If not, then by naming them an injustice has already been served.

 

[Slapshot1]

........well if a plant is involved I'd say statutory is a given......haven't seen many trees running around lately.

Oops, planet, fingers tend to move a little too quick at times, but then again, some girls like that