Rates & Screening

[westwoody]

I can’t write negative reviews because I get so mad when brazenly ripped off. It’s not just about money.
You book a few days in advance and get really excited, and then you see her in person and the pics were clearly ten or more years old! And you could have spent the time and money on someone trustworthy!
Some of us just don’t have a lot of free time and it can never be recovered.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

I don't believe that's detailed or descriptive enough to accurately convey what to expect their body to look like.

I'm sincerely inquiring with the moderators whether we can use terms like overweight and obese, as they are medical terms that objectively describe physical appearances and, therefore, shouldn't be considered insulting. Clearly, these terms should be used respectfully.

I think it’s important for potential clients to be aware of what to expect when they see a provider and to have as much information as possible beforehand, especially in regards to looks, as well as service/attitude . That’s really the main point of reviews. Clients' time and money should also be respected, and their consent is crucial, we don’t want to put clients in a position where their consent is compromised.

Not publicly but privately, I for one have used terms like "no way I could drink her skinny" if I was to just cut to the chase. But that was before we all had to be more 'sensitive'.

 

[masterpoonhunter]

I can’t write negative reviews because I get so mad when brazenly ripped off. It’s not just about money.
You book a few days in advance and get really excited, and then you see her in person and the pics were clearly ten or more years old! And you could have spent the time and money on someone trustworthy!
Some of us just don’t have a lot of free time and it can never be recovered.

I sure can. If its a brazen rip, the community needs to know.

 

[Forum mod]

If she posts pics of her years ago at 120 and today she is 240, you can say. Her pictures are out of date and she's now a BBW type, or she's gained weight since those were taken or something like that. You can point out a gross misrepresentation. Too often, some the of more crass members are getting in a twist over 10 or 15 pounds like they have never put on weight in their lives and they are insulting and disgusting about it. I have deleted posts saying her ate her younger self, called her a whale, fat pig etc. Be polite, kind and remember she's a human being.

If her pics are not accurate, say so. You don't need to insult her.

 

[Pumped]

I think it’s important for potential clients to be aware of what to expect when they see a provider and to have as much information as possible beforehand, especially in regards to looks, as well as service/attitude . That’s really the main point of reviews. Clients' time and money should also be respected, and their consent is crucial, we don’t want to put clients in a position where their consent is compromised.

Do you even know what the word consent means?

You have the choice -- that most providers do not -- to simply walk away if things are not to your liking.

The fact that providers have to service guys like you just proves how stupid your argument really is in reality.

Try thinking for a few minutes about what you're actually writing before you post it.

 

[HunkyBill]

I can’t write negative reviews because I get so mad when brazenly ripped off. It’s not just about money.
You book a few days in advance and get really excited, and then you see her in person and the pics were clearly ten or more years old! And you could have spent the time and money on someone trustworthy!
Some of us just don’t have a lot of free time and it can never be recovered.

I'm surprised you haven't built up the courage after all these years to learn to walk and post negative experiences, especially given how this game is played where the ladies are rarely the age they claim to be.

 

[MB Mod]

You know what happens when threads get turned into medical advice……………..

 

[Forum mod]

I've mentioned this before, but I believe PERB has a significant opportunity to establish a new vetting system. While some agencies already accept PERB handles as references, this could be taken a step further by allowing providers to rate clients. This would incentivize clients to be on their best behaviour, knowing they would be rated afterwards. Allowing providers to rate clients would create a more balanced feedback dynamic, reducing the likelihood of clients misusing reviews against providers.

Additionally, a rating system would reduce the reliance on risky screening methods, such as requiring government IDs, which provide little insight into a person's character. As discussed, the risks associated with stolen IDs can be severe. I agree there is a lot of bitching and whining, but it seems out of frustration, rather than pushing boundaries. Many of us who value our privacy want to book with specific providers, but have limited options. If moderators ban all discussions about screening, it will make finding a solution more difficult. I've successfully used references to bypass ID requirements, but I would much prefer a rating system. I would be totally fine having providers rate me. While p411 is the closest option available, it's unfortunate that it still requires ID.

Never going to happen. The logistics of this in the time of VPNs and other methods to conceal identity is essentially impossible without asking for ID. The liability the board would take on if someone they verified did something bad is a large non-zero thing. the database of info would be subject to privacy law. Besides which, if you don't think providers are not already rating clients and sharing that information, you are not paying attention. Bad client lists, discussions on SP only forums, it's already taking place.

 

[OF_manager]

There are agencies on this forum that use perb handles as for screening, if they are being misused you should bring that to their attention. Luxxxe Affaire for example, states on their website "If you’re a member of a Canadian forum board and have reviews and a posting history that works as a form of screening. "



Filling out paperwork? Your overthinking this. A similar system already exist in the states. Many providers use privatedelights.ch. This is a very simple website that allows a provider to verify a client. For instance, if I booked with Rinamood, I could message her for verification right after the booking. This feature would enable moderators to ensure that only clients who have booked with her can comment on her reviews.

But isn't it possible for them to decline to verify a client if they have doubts about whether that client had a positive experience? She could proactively prevent negative reviews by refusing verification if she sensed dissatisfaction. Furthermore, she could opt to verify only those clients who consent to leaving her positive feedback. While I see your point, this method compromises client privacy and grants providers excessive power, especially considering they already have significant control over the elimination of negative reviews. I mention this as someone whose real identity is known to many providers linked to my PERB account.

You’re also requesting that many providers take on significantly more work. The providers who frequently comment here represent a vocal minority of providers in Vancouver; most prefer to maintain a low profile for reasons of discretion. Additionally, there are numerous providers who adopt a hands-off approach and never receive negative reviews, even though they see a high volume of clients.

I would assume that fraudulent negative reviews are quite uncommon, and even if they do happen, they can likely be easily disproven with some targeted questions. In contrast, it seems that genuine reviews supported by receipts are frequently dismissed as "fake reviews" by disgruntled providers.

 

[rizzgod]

Exactly.
There are several "provider-only" group chats that vary in size and the nature of discussions, featuring different cliques and groups of providers within the industry.

I'm surprised that more guys aren't aware of this or at least don't assume that's what's happening. It’s not just about "bad clients"; they also rate good clients, talk about their appearances, personality types, financial status, and even personal details like physical attributes. They share clients social media information and pretty much everything else they can get their hands on. It’s much less private than many believe, which is why I strongly encourage guys here to take steps to protect their privacy when booking providers.

I'm also a guy who experienced an attempted doxxing after writing a "negative" review of a provider. She didn’t succeed because I take strong measures to protect my privacy.

 

[westwoody]

walk and post negative experiences

I haven’t walked in a dozen years because I rarely see anyone unfamiliar, unless someone I trust recommends them.
I always advocate walking if the pics don’t match.

 

[BULLZ]

Exactly.
There are several "provider-only" group chats that vary in size and the nature of discussions, featuring different cliques and groups of providers within the industry.

I'm surprised that more guys aren't aware of this or at least don't assume that's what's happening. It’s not just about "bad clients"; they also rate good clients, talk about their appearances, personality types, financial status, and even personal details like physical attributes. They share clients social media information and pretty much everything else they can get their hands on. It’s much less private than many believe, which is why I strongly encourage guys here to take steps to protect their privacy when booking providers.

I'm also a guy who experienced an attempted doxxing after writing a "negative" review of a provider. She didn’t succeed because I take strong measures to protect my privacy.

I've seen several well-known providers sharing clients on those "Are We Dating the Same Guy" Facebook groups. It's not just exposing these guys among providers, they're putting them in front of 70,000 civillian women in Vancouver.
Some have been labeling the guys as "cheap" or pointing out their "poor hygiene." While that's not a good look, it's not necessarily dangerous.

 

[lukom]

I've seen several well-known providers sharing clients on those "Are We Dating the Same Guy" Facebook groups. It's not just exposing these guys among providers, they're putting them in front of 70,000 civillian women in Vancouver.
Some have been labeling the guys as "cheap" or pointing out their "poor hygiene." While that's not a good look, it's not necessarily dangerous.

See that's just classless. At least on a review page like perb an SP has an opportunity to give her side of the story or something to take into consideration. For example, if an sp advertises as drug and smoke free, but you taste cigarette smoke and mention that, then that's something for the provider to be aware to either not advertise as smoke-free, or to put in more effort in masking the smell of cigarettes on her breath. Shit talking clients privately among other providers does nothing to get the client on improving themselves, and in an area where it's civvie women is especially just petty. See and it's reasons like this why everyone should use a burner phone and if doing etransfers, do it from a separate bank account that you use for leisure purposes.

 

[BULLZ]

I find it quite telling that not one provider has joined this discussion to express their commitment to our privacy or discretion, nor have they outlined the measures they take to safeguard our privacy when they collect our data through their screening methods.

I believe this strongly suggests that we should avoid booking with any providers that implement strict or even moderate screening measures.

I believe this could also signal to the moderators that we should have the opportunity to voice our concerns about screening methods.

 

[jgg]

I believe this strongly suggests that we should avoid booking with any providers that implement strict or even moderate screening measures.

I'm surprised this is still up. If you don't like a ladie's screening requirements, see one that meets your screening requirements. I'm not white knighting, but this just seems so fucking simple.

 

[lukom]

I find it quite telling that not one provider has joined this discussion to express their commitment to our privacy or discretion, nor have they outlined the measures they take to safeguard our privacy when they collect our data through their screening methods.

I believe this strongly suggests that we should avoid booking with any providers that implement strict or even moderate screening measures.

I believe this could also signal to the moderators that we should have the opportunity to voice our concerns about screening methods.

I don't know much about this, but I think contributing members/providers are limited to which sections they can and can't post. They're allowed to advertise, but limited to entering certain discussions. Or might have posting limits? I don't know.

Thing is several providers have chimed in on this topic, I'm pretty sure on other posts. I don't think it's wrong to continue the discussion, but I'm sure SPs who have contributed to these discussions have exhausted what they have to say, and are generally of the opinion to see anyone else if you're not comfortable with their screening requirements, rates, or services..etc

 

[Vpete]

I may be the contrarian here but I could give two unicorns about my personal info and screening.

Right now I have two ladies who know my name, my job, one my address and one became a client and due to respect for her I still don’t know her identity. Others know a little less and guess what no problems from any of them. No blackmail or ransom or threats- how could this be?

It’s not a difficult thing to figure out who is likely to be a pro because any lady who is established, with a brand, and reputation is not divulging anything unless they have to, which IMHO is totally dependent on the client.

FAFO as far as I’m concerned.

Don’t like what you see- walk
Take a chance on some one sketch- YGWYPF
Want to save money -WYSIWYG
Decide you want to play games- others will hear about it

However other than the criminals how many clients have been doxed and outed even if they were less than ideal by any reputable lady?

IMHO the fact that you may feel being with a SW is so risky that you cannot respect their boundaries and provide some screening info means you’re in the wrong game. You’re not ready for this if what you might deal with for being found out would cause you harm. The lady, she already figured it out and if you don’t think it’s equal or fair then maybe you need a history lesson on SW and the disadvantage ladies have had.

I’m honestly in disbelief that screening and deposits are still an issue in this day and age now. Guys still want all the power plus the modern convenience with technology!! This is all changing the dynamic and I suggest you change too.

 

[wizardofvancouver]

I may be the contrarian here but I could give two unicorns about my personal info and screening.

Right now I have two ladies who know my name, my job, one my address and one became a client and due to respect for her I still don’t know her identity. Others know a little less and guess what no problems from any of them. No blackmail or ransom or threats- how could this be?

It’s not a difficult thing to figure out who is likely to be a pro because any lady who is established, with a brand, and reputation is not divulging anything unless they have to, which IMHO is totally dependent on the client.

FAFO as far as I’m concerned.

Don’t like what you see- walk
Take a chance on some one sketch- YGWYPF
Want to save money -WYSIWYG
Decide you want to play games- others will hear about it

However other than the criminals how many clients have been doxed and outed even if they were less than ideal by any reputable lady?

IMHO the fact that you may feel being with a SW is so risky that you cannot respect their boundaries and provide some screening info means you’re in the wrong game. You’re not ready for this if what you might deal with for being found out would cause you harm. The lady, she already figured it out and if you don’t think it’s equal or fair then maybe you need a history lesson on SW and the disadvantage ladies have had.

I’m honestly in disbelief that screening and deposits are still an issue in this day and age now. Guys still want all the power plus the modern convenience with technology!! This is all changing the dynamic and I suggest you change too.

I would say it's more about the fact that once seeing escorts loses its discretion and convenience, there's really no point in seeing escorts for guys who can get sex elsewhere or without paying for it.

It's not really about "changing the dynamic" and us needing to adapt or "change too". The reality is, it's a small percentage of providers who necessitate the stringent and invasive screening measures. Additionally, there will always be providers and other types of sex workers who do not require them, so the market will ultimately dictate the situation.

Honestly, you boasting about having nothing to lose and lacking any traits that attract women isn’t a bragging point. So, I wouldn’t consider your disregard for privacy something to show off, or something for us to emulate.

 

[lukom]

I would say it's more about the fact that once seeing escorts loses its discretion and convenience, there's really no point in seeing escorts for guys who can get sex elsewhere or without paying for it.

It's not really about "changing the dynamic" and us needing to adapt or "change too". The reality is, it's a small percentage of providers who necessitate the stringent and invasive screening measures. Additionally, there will always be providers and other types of sex workers who do not require them, so the market will ultimately dictate the situation.

Honestly, you boasting about having nothing to lose and lacking any traits that attract women isn’t a bragging point. So, I wouldn’t consider your disregard for privacy something to show off, or something for us to emulate.

For me personally, I've always seen sex workers cause I don't want to settle down. I find marriage and relationships come with too many unreasonable expectations, and even things are so asymmetrical, I could be the lower earner and yet I'm always going to be expected to pay for the bulk of the bills, and expected to spend more during special occasions. So no thanks to that. This is why I see escorts, but for a lot these stipulations like government ID, social media, linkedin, along with rates that in some cases have more than doubled is making settling down not look any less regressive.

 

[VanCityNewb]

Honestly, you boasting about having nothing to lose and lacking any traits that attract women isn’t a bragging point. So, I wouldn’t consider your disregard for privacy something to show off, or something for us to emulate.

That's not even remotely what was said. Lol?