Good advice, she may have ANOTHER hissy fit and vow that she is "done with this post" then post another 5000 word rant.
Quebec’s tuition protesters are the Greeks of Canada
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Prejudice = unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
Bigotry = stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
Nothing hostile about my comments nor I am I being intolerant. I simply had an opinion that you do not share and can't dispute.
I think we should agree to disagree and aknowledge we both have a different view.
Lamest comeback - ever.
Be a man and admit when you're wrong.
Or is that too much for you, boy?
I will be issuing bans if this thread continues in the manner it has been. Keep the flaming off the board please, if you can't post without insulting others don't post. Guide yourselves accordingly.
An article in a well-known American newspaper on the Quebec student protests and the Govt's response:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/o...dly-northern-neighbor.html?_r=1&smid=tw-share
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/24/o...dly-northern-neighbor.html?_r=1&smid=tw-share
actually, the article is on the opinion page, and was written by Laurence Bherer and Pascale Dufour, who are associate professors of political science at the University of Montreal
not hard to see where their loyalties lie
Thank you for putting that article in it's proper context. I almost thought it was written by someone at the NY Times given the somewhat misleading introduction to the link..
Love that new line in your quotes, pardner.
Good to see someone read the article. It is on the opinion pages and it was written by Canadians, but it's the kind of informed commentary we are not getting from outlets like Post Media in or QMI in Canada.
Sorry if you thought anything was misleading. It's an opinion article, yes, but I wasn't misrepresenting anything.
I wonder if anyone else automatically assumes that a columnist for the NY Times wrote said article?
The Times runs guest pieces all the time, ... if you'll pardon the expression. But the Times retains editorial control, they decide what's "fit to print" and what isn't. If they selected this article by two Canadian academics they did so because they thought it had merit.
As you know, I never even said it was the Times, let alone written by one of the regular employees. I just find it very telling that thoughtful and expert opinion on Canadian events can be found in foreign newspapers, but not our own.
I think that would be safe to assume.
Yes, it is a misleading post for sure.
Even if David is going to pretend that wasn't his intention.
Sorry if someone's already posted this (though probably not), haven't read the last few pages of this thread. I just read this and it echoes what I was going to post early in this thread. It doesn't cover all of what I was thinking but the main part is there, so I figured I'd come back and post it.
(if you don't want to watch the whole thing, just watch from 07:20 - 10:00)
k..that's all I wanted to add. lol
(if you don't want to watch the whole thing, just watch from 07:20 - 10:00)
k..that's all I wanted to add. lol
Comparing Canada Pension to Quebec tuition to see who has the sense of entitlement?
Hmmm, looks like the CPP contributions have consistently increased over the past 30+ years.
http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/isp/cpp/contribrates.shtml#years8504
Quebec tuitions have been essentially frozen for the past 30+ years. Tuition has actually decreased over the past 30 years if we take inflation to account.
Doesn't look like a good argument for pensions having a sense of entitlement.
Hmmm, looks like the CPP contributions have consistently increased over the past 30+ years.
http://www.servicecanada.gc.ca/eng/isp/cpp/contribrates.shtml#years8504
Quebec tuitions have been essentially frozen for the past 30+ years. Tuition has actually decreased over the past 30 years if we take inflation to account.
Doesn't look like a good argument for pensions having a sense of entitlement.
I think it is a valid argument that old farts like me are the ones who have reaped the benefit of our economy (as in the opinion posted by Mlle Bijou above). When I went to university in the 70s, I qualified for low-interest loans that I paid back easily after graduation. Because of my parents' lack of disposible income from their farm, I also qualified for tuition grants that I didn't have to pay back. Summer jobs were dead easy to get; if I didn't like one, I could get another the same day. I never had to work while I was in school -- summer jobs, and a year off to make money in a factory paid for my school (and I didn't have to live at home) as well as a trip to Europe where I had the luxury of bumming around for months. Of course, I had to move to friggin' Alberta by the time I was forced to look for a real job -- by the 80s, the economy was already going down back east, and money was being pumped from the ground in Alberta.
There was, however, still a sense of optimism then that we would all be able to afford the same lifestyle as our parents (not that it came true in my case; I never developed the sense of needing to work as hard as the previous generation). I could have accepted a teaching job that would have allowed me to retire with a decent pension by now (if that had been a priority for me). You think any of these advantages are available to today's youth?
We had no idea that we would be engaged in a race to the bottom for wages with workers from the rest of the world; "free trade" hadn't yet reared its head to benefit corporations so that they could just close their shops and move if they had to pay employees enough that they could buy the things they were making. Henry Ford's idea of responsible businesses that paid real wages was still the norm. The family-owned businesses in my hometown didn't have to compete with Wal-Mart and their cheap crap. The difference between what company owners (since replaced by corporation board members) or "investment bankers" made and what people made in real jobs that produced goods or services wasn't at the obscene levels it is now.
I don't find it remotely surprising that young people feel that they are getting a raw deal and that their futures have been screwed by the debts that people like me have benefitted from. And I don't blame them for being pissed. The protests are not rooted solely in the details of the tuition hikes; they represent something more, much like the Occupy Wall Street protests. We will be seeing more and more of this kind of frustration being expressed in the streets, we might as well get used to it, and think about ways to solve it that don't involve batons and tear gas and walled communities.
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