Quebec’s tuition protesters are the Greeks of Canada

[kickback]

Because you cite no studies or statistics. Show me one point of reference that proves your point.

Your post contains nothing but generalizations.

As do most of not all of the posts on this board. You can look to see if there are any studies or stats but the bottom line is you know I'm right and can't make a good argument as to why I may be wrong

 

[Bartdude]

but obviously Bijou did not bother educating herself on something as silly as basic mathematics....most likely she got a university degree or two in such things as Arts or Literature so she can feel important yet they are imparting no monetary benefit because her job is to lay on her back and count ceiling tiles whilst making encouraging noises.

SR

Okay, disagree if you want (I do somewhat as well) - but that is beyond tasteless and ignorant - and WAY the fuck out of line.

You owe her an apology.

 

[rygu]

Are you talking about the 1995 referendum?

As for your salary expectations, I found this on the Kwantlen College website:

What kind of salary do psychiatric nurses make?
In the province of British Columbia a RPN usually starts at an annual salary range of $ 51,000 to $ 62,000, in par with RN salary range. There may be additional bonuses in northern geographic locations. In addition, the benefit packages for nurses are quite attractive. The next contract for RPNs (under UPN) is at par with the BCNU contract. Salary also varies depending on the grid level of the contract which has levels from 4 – 9.

http://www.kwantlen.ca/health/bpn/faqs.html

Starting is around $58-60K. I should have mentioned the OT available is ridiculous, working 50 hours weeks two times a month one could very well make $80K in one's first year and males are in HUGE demand I would have no problem getting FT quickly.

 

[DavidMR]

Starting is around $58-60K. I should have mentioned the OT available is ridiculous, working 50 hours weeks two times a month one could very well make $80K in one's first year and males are in HUGE demand I would have no problem getting FT quickly.

I don't understand why you think being a male is going to somehow earn you more money, nor do I think it's realistic to expect full-time work right away unless BC Health Authorities have radically changed their approach.

 

[rygu]

I don't understand why you think being a male is going to somehow earn you more money, nor do I think it's realistic to expect full-time work right away unless BC Health Authorities have radically changed their approach.

When did I say being a male would make me more money? Please give me a reference....

I said being male would give me a better chance of being given FT quickly, as I said, males are in large demand. If you've never been to a psych ward then you have no idea how dangerous some of the residents are. I've been told by various sources who work in the industry I would have FT within a year max almost anywhere in the GVRD. Assuming im competent that is. That's right now though I won't have my BA until like 2017 so things can change a lot in 5 years.

 

[Karl Blues]

As do most of not all of the posts on this board. You can look to see if there are any studies or stats but the bottom line is you know I'm right and can't make a good argument as to why I may be wrong

The bottom line is that you are making generalized statements about certain races. That suggests prejudice and bigotry.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

As for Bijou's advocacy for the students and the blah blah blah that tuition is a tax that is a fucking joke...a tax is something that is levied upon an income.....as for the BS about transfer payments if Bijou took the time to actually search the internet for something that would not be supportive to her agenda she would discover that Alberta sends the Federal government MORE money than it receives in Federal transfer payments and Quebec receives MORE money in transfer payments than it SEND...but obviously Bijou did not bother educating herself on something as silly as basic mathematics....most likely she got a university degree or two in such things as Arts or Literature so she can feel important yet they are imparting no monetary benefit because her job is to lay on her back and count ceiling tiles whilst making encouraging noises.

SR

wow that's rich.

You're a classless moron. And here's why:


I didn't study Arts or Literature. (so what if I had?)
I worked full time and didn't have any student loans. (so what if I had?)
But I have friends who did have to get student loans and couldn't work much or at all with their course load (because they had a baby/small child or because some programs are simply too demanding that it is nearly impossible to work and keep up with the program they are in.)

But none of it is even relevant or important.


As a reasonable, compassionate person who tries keep in mind that everyone has their own circumstances, challenges, skills, background -whatever it might be- and I can be thankful for my own circumstances whether they were a result of luck, privilege or some other reason I had no control over, I am not presumptuous enough to assume that I am better than those whose situations were/are different for whatever millions of reasons that might have made theirs different than mine. I'm not so pompous as to believe or claim that whatever I did is better and that because I was able to, everyone else should and look on with contempt if they don't/didn't. You seem to think the whole world should be measuring up to you. Get over yourself.

Empathy—a deep appreciation for another's situation and point of view—is the basis for the golden rule , and our intrinsic sense of justice. Having empathy but not acting from empathy leads to guilt.

Definitions:
1. A respectful understanding of what others are experiencing.
2. Judging others by their own standards.
3. Sensing others’ feelings and perspective, and taking an active interest in their concerns.
4. Wanting the best for all others, unconditionally,
5. Sharing another's perspective and specific distress.
6. Entering the private perceptual world of another and becoming thoroughly at home in it.
7. The capacity to think and feel oneself into the inner life of another person.
8. Having a similar emotional state to another as a result of the accurate perception of the other's situation or predicament.
9. Understanding and entering into another person’s feelings.
10. Understanding and concern.
11. Changing places in fancy with the sufferer.
12. feeling into
13. I feel you in me
14. A point of view that emphasizes the symmetry between you and the other.

Empathy is other-awareness, symmetrical with self-awareness. True empathy requires us to care about the person in pain.

Perspective-taking is not the same thing as empathy. Knowing someone is sad, for example, and feeling sympathy and a desire to ease the pain is important in human relations, but not the same thing as understanding what sadness might feel like to that person, or why it exists.

Jean Piaget, a well-known developmental psychologist, considered perspective-taking an important component of cognitive development, and research seemed to show it generally did not emerge until at least the age of six.

Other research shows that, for some, it may never emerge. The ability to see things from another’s viewpoint may not just develop automatically with age. It is likely also tied into cultural, social and educational experiences.


As children mature, they take more information into account. They realize that different people can react differently to the same situation. They develop the ability to analyze the perspectives of several people involved in a situation from the viewpoint of an objective bystander, and they can even imagine how different cultural or social values would influence the perceptions of the bystander.

http://engagingpeace.com/?p=1383

Perspective taking skills are rooted in a cognitive skill called, “Theory of Mind.” A formal definition of Theory of Mind is, “an understanding of other people’s mental states” (their thoughts, feelings, desires, motivations, intentions). People use this information to make sense of other people’s behavior, predict what people may do or say next, and to think about one’s own social behavior and adjust it accordingly. Theory of Mind deficits may result in difficulties with: being sensitive to other people’s feelings, taking into account background knowledge, reading the listener’s interest level in conversation, detecting a speaker’s hidden meaning, anticipating what others think of one’s own social behaviors, and understanding “unwritten” social rules.

http://jillkuzma.wordpress.com/perspective-taking-skills/

If you'd bothered to read up about the actual issues behind the strike (which I took the time to post for you!) instead of running your mouth based on what little information the media has even bothered to report on. If you'd bothered to spend less time judging others and telling us how superior you were, you would have clued in and wouldn't have kept yapping about the same irrelevant crap.


And despite all of that, here's the deal: I never actually said anything about the tuition hikes or whether I thought the students were right or wrong. I never gave my personal opinion about it anywhere in my posts. What I did do, is introduce different perspectives and put it in context in the bigger picture and the weird order of priorities we seem to have. In none of my three posts (2 of which were solely quotes) did I even come close to giving my opinion about the tuition hike, the strike or the students. You just imagined that all on your own and then attacked me (and not even the opinion you'd conjured up and convinced yourself actually came from me). That is quite something.


Essentially, what's happened, is that you are/were completely incapable of acknowledging that the discussion that is taking place in most instances (on this thread, in the article quoted, in most of the MSM) is basically useless and clueless because it is simplistic and ignores the deeper issue. My posts were meant to add another dimension and perhaps nudge some of you to get over yourselves and consider the many other layers you've ignored with your little self-involved, self-congratulatory, superficial and completely asinine drivel. You know, use your brain a little. Obviously that, too, went right over your head.

they are imparting no monetary benefit because her job is to lay on her back and count ceiling tiles whilst making encouraging noises.

What you have to realize, though, is that not only were your vitriolic ramblings irrelevant and baseless, they also said far more about you than they ever could about me.


1- I think this might not be the place for you. This is definitely not the place for this kind of douchebag attitude.

2- You seem to think you know about me or my life. Actually, you haven't even the faintest clue so maybe you should crawl back under your rock until you're able to stop embarrassing yourself. I mean, really. Do yourself a favor.

3- You seem to really put money above all else on your values scale. That's pretty sad. Please don't assume (as is your habit) that everyone judges everything solely based on what monetary gains it might bring. Some people, and I know this is probably some crazy, unimaginable idea, but some people actually value many other things above money.

4- I don't share your view of what my job entails, but if that is how you see it, then I have to wonder what that says about you, when you have such contempt and yet you're paying for it? (Projecting, much?)

5- Just how insecure are you? A how shitty do you feel about yourself? I mean, wow. Could you broadcast it any louder or clearer than you are?



Why not spend your time on something that's actually productive and positive instead of this kind of childish and idiotic drivel. Get a life. If you want to take part in the discussion, then get a clue and start by addressing the deeper issues relating to this topic. Otherwise just STFU already.

Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states. I cannot sit idly by in Atlanta and not be concerned about what happens in Birmingham. Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea.

Martin Luther King Jr., Letter from Birmingham Jail, April 16, 1963

“I've always resented the smug statements of politicians, media commentators, corporate executives who talked of how, in America, if you worked hard you would become rich. The meaning of that was if you were poor it was because you hadn't worked hard enough. I knew this was a lite, about my father and millions of others, men and women who worked harder than anyone, harder than financiers and politicians, harder than anybody if you accept that when you work at an unpleasant job that makes it very hard work indeed.”



"Indeed, it is impossible to be neutral. In a world already moving in certain directions, where wealth and power are already distributed in certain ways, neutrality means accepting the way things are now. It is a world of clashing interests – war against peace, nationalism against internationalism, equality against greed, and democracy against elitism – and it seems to me both impossible and undesirable to be neutral in those conflicts.”



“Civil disobedience, as I put it to the audience, was not the problem, despite the warnings of some that it threatened social stability, that it led to anarchy. The greatest danger, I argued, was civil obedience, the submission of individual conscience to governmental authority."


― Howard Zinn

 

[Miss*Bijou]

I can't help but laugh at those with such an unrealistic sense of entitlement.

And the irony of this comment is astounding.

Yah, keep talking about others sense of entitlement. You're obviously superior to all these hippies, so you're certainly entitled. :thumb:

 

[Cock Throppled]

Miss Bijou, you really need to calm down and not come off as so, what's the word...hysterical.

People have opinions, some of them aren't the same as yours. Get over it.

The students are protesting a marginal hike over five years and impacting the very economy that subsidizes their tuition. A minority are further behaving like spoiled brats smashing windows and intimidating other students.

That's not how to encourage dialogue. Charest should have never bargained with them in the first place.

 

[kenchorney]

Miss Bijou, you really need to calm down and not come off as so, what's the word...hysterical.

People have opinions, some of them aren't the same as yours. Get over it.

The students are protesting a marginal hike over five years and impacting the very economy that subsidizes their tuition. A minority are further behaving like spoiled brats smashing windows and intimidating other students.

That's not how to encourage dialogue. Charest should have never bargained with them in the first place.

Exactly, they have every right to protest but as soon as they start smashing windows and blockade others from entering class they go from protester to criminal.

 

[Sleepmonger]

Honestly though, tuition fees aren't all that bad... It's the lost income and living expenses for the period of study that's the killer.
Charging students near market rates to live on land donated by the government seems dirty to me.

The grants and bursaries that I receive as a student in Vancouver with residence in Alberta more than outweigh my tuition fees at UBC. Also, I’m able to claim tuition fees against income from working summers... something I can’t do with the additional living expenses. In fact I'd be perfectly happy with triple the tuition fees if the school offered free residence with a full course load.

 

[Miss*Bijou]

Miss Bijou, you really need to calm down and not come off as so, what's the word...hysterical.

People have opinions, some of them aren't the same as yours. Get over it.

The students are protesting a marginal hike over five years and impacting the very economy that subsidizes their tuition. A minority are further behaving like spoiled brats smashing windows and intimidating other students.

That's not how to encourage dialogue. Charest should have never bargained with them in the first place.

WTF are you talking about? No CT, you really need to mind your own business.
Nevermind hysterical - over exaggerate, much? You really need to drop the sexist bs remarks and I don't need your permission to call out a douchebags.


By the way, can't you people at least be a little original instead of just repeating the opinion the media packages and spoon feeds for you? I mean, seriously. This is the #1 over used anytime there is any protest and the herd disagrees. Surely you can collectively come up with something better.


So basically out of 100 000 + people, even if there were as many as 50 people, that's %0.05. And this is big complaint? (And there were more than 100 000 protesters -as much as double that number in some cases, I believe- and I'm sure there were way less than 50 involved in vandalism too, so it's even lower than the already insignificant %0.05). That is the argument of those who are desperate because they have none. It's completely absurd.


Anyway, I'm done with this topic if none of you can even come up with anything intelligent (or at least relevant) and just sound like a broke record. So enjoy the echo chamber, I'm out. (And reminded why I don't bother with perb often anymore.)

 

[wilde]

By the way, can't you people at least be a little original instead of just repeating the opinion the media packages and spoon feeds for you? I mean, seriously. This is the #1 over used anytime there is any protest and the herd disagrees. Surely you can collectively come up with something better.

Okay, I'll bite. What about the students who just want to go to class and go about their business? What about their rights to go to class without being called a scap or far worse and harassed by their fellow student "activists"?

 

[Cock Throppled]

WTF are you talking about? No CT, you really need to mind your own business.
Nevermind hysterical - over exaggerate, much? You really need to drop the sexist bs remarks and I don't need your permission to call out a douchebags.


By the way, can't you people at least be a little original instead of just repeating the opinion the media packages and spoon feeds for you? I mean, seriously. This is the #1 over used anytime there is any protest and the herd disagrees. Surely you can collectively come up with something better.


So basically out of 100 000 + people, even if there were as many as 50 people, that's %0.05. And this is big complaint? (And there were more than 100 000 protesters -as much as double that number in some cases, I believe- and I'm sure there were way less than 50 involved in vandalism too, so it's even lower than the already insignificant %0.05). That is the argument of those who are desperate because they have none. It's completely absurd.


Anyway, I'm done with this topic if none of you can even come up with anything intelligent (or at least relevant) and just sound like a broke record. So enjoy the echo chamber, I'm out. (And reminded why I don't bother with perb often anymore.)

Yeah, that's not hysterical at all.

Nice, tolerant attitude you have for anyone who dares disagree with you, yet your argument seems to be we should all tolerate the dbehaviour of the students.

Let's add hypocrite to your resume.

 

[Mod-2]

I think its time for everyone to take breath and calm down. The back and forth is starting to get a little heated, lets bring it down a notch.

 

[DavidMR]

The bottom line is that you are making generalized statements about certain races. That suggests prejudice and bigotry.

That sounds about par for the course. Unfortunately.

 

[Ray]

Hunka's trying to organize a group hug with all the fellas...

 

[Bartdude]

Miss Bijou, you really need to calm down and not come off as so, what's the word...hysterical.

People have opinions, some of them aren't the same as yours. Get over it.

If you think this....

...but obviously Bijou did not bother educating herself on something as silly as basic mathematics....most likely she got a university degree or two in such things as Arts or Literature so she can feel important yet they are imparting no monetary benefit because her job is to lay on her back and count ceiling tiles whilst making encouraging noises.

....is okay, you need to give your head a shake.

I don't really agree with what she posted either - but come on.

 

[storm rider]

If you think this....

....is okay, you need to give your head a shake.

I don't really agree with what she posted either - but come on.

You really like climbing up on on that stallion and being a "white knight" dont you.

SR

 

[Flanders]

Best to not mention horses in a thread where Ms. B is already wound a little tight. Just sayin'....

You really like climbing up on on that stallion and being a "white knight" dont you.

SR