Obama’s Gun Ban List Is Out

myselftheother

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I agree IRH - most people do not grasp the meaning of the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution & that is because it is not read in context.
2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Let me put myself in the position of an American here;
It is not necessarily that we should have the right to own a gun but to "bear arms".

What does "bear arms" mean?



Does it mean to own a weapon or does it mean the right to raise said "arms" in action?

Here's what bear means:

Please note 17, to have & be entitled to, and combine it with 6 & 10.

The founding authors of these amendments were some of the brightest minds of their times & chose the words in this document carefully.

If you read it as it was written it means to bear arms in defense of oneself, it denotes not only ownership of but action with that weapon.
But against who? (we'll get back to this question)

Read below:


So the theme of the Amendments must be considered when reading & interpreting the 2nd amendment.

Here's the 1st Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

What is the first word in this amendment?
Who is it addressed to?

The 3rd amendment:
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

What is the subject here?
Who is it addressed to?

4th amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

What is the subject here?
Who is it addressed to?

Does anybody else see the theme here?

These amendments are ALL to protect the PEOPLE from their GOVERNMENT!!!

Think about it!



I agree with you that most people are not responsible enough to own the weapons they own, so I will acquiesce to you that there needs to be some regulation on the ownership of the weapons.
Maybe a responsible ownership, or weapons responsibility class & certification course?

What I will not waiver on is the Constitutional GUARANTEE that an American may own a weapon without hindrance from the Gubment whom he has a right to protect himself against.

It is called tyranny.

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When was the last time Americans rose up against tyranny in their own country? 140 years ago...more? The likelihood that Americans will rise up against anything is pretty small. Now we're talking about the everyday Yank. As long as there's Brittany Spears and who she's fucking while on what drug on Maury Povich and NFL football....The American today is not the American of when there was something to fight for. The frontier was dangerous, hell, even New England was dangerous back then. And it was 'civilized' as 19th century America was then.

Then again, why the hell are you guys worried about what's happening across the 49th? Can't vote down there, what are you going to change down there? Worry about the shit that we have to deal with here at home. We're about to be taxed to death and beyond...to quote LB...wake up and see what's happening in your own country.
 

Krustee

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Then again, why the hell are you guys worried about what's happening across the 49th? Can't vote down there, what are you going to change down there? Worry about the shit that we have to deal with here at home. We're about to be taxed to death and beyond...to quote LB...wake up and see what's happening in your own country.
I keep equal tabs on whats happening on both sides.

Now what are you referring to when you say;
We're about to be taxed to death and beyond...to quote LB.

We're already taxed to the point nearly 50% of my income goes to those wastes of skin in parliament.

So what else is coming down the pike?

:confused:
 

myselftheother

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$100 vehicle levy, being taxed by an unelected transit board. If I'm correct, you can't tax without representation....I think that means you have to be elected by the people to impliment a tax. Translink is trying to install a tax to raise another $300 million per year, or they're threatening to cut services, etc.

Taxed to death and beyond...I think there's an estate tax or a death tax that's to be paid by the bereaved.
 

Krustee

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Just the simple fact that tyranny occurs in nations, civil or otherwise, over every period in the world's history should be enough to convince everyone that it is paramount to have a means to protect ourselves from tyranny or from chaos.



 

FunSugarDaddy

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Go tell the guy standing on his roof top defending his house against an LA mob that his automatic guns aren't necessary. Go tell all those people who had threre homes raided during those loving gun confiscations in New Orleans. Automatics are for sport and defense, law abiding citizens shouldnt have to have there rights impeeded. MOST gun crimes are criminals on criminals. And when these people go shoot up a high school or a mall. 9/10 they are on a serotonin reuptake inhibitors ie:prozak. Should ban that shit.
You've got quite the outlook on life. You must be one miserable fuck to be around if you think life is an armed campaign between various parties.
 

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It is called tyranny.
Let me get this straight, the people of the US want the right to go to war with the very people they elected into office? Instead of let's say vote them out of power they would rather shoot them?

What a screwed up viewpoint.
 

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I think when people raise the examples of an American's Constitutional right to bear arms, that what they are doing is communicating why it is so important for all people in any civilized nation to understand the importance of this fundamental right to any free American, and by extension understand why it should be so important to all people in any civilized nation.

Americans don't protect this right so vehemently simply because they like to go into the back yard and shoot pop cans off the back of the fence nor because all Americans have an instinctual need to engage in gang warfare.

When you say that American's haven't risen up against tyranny of their own government in 140 years, do you say that as if that is a short period of time or a long period of time? Just the simple fact that tyranny occurs in nations, civil or otherwise, over every period in the world's history should be enough to convince everyone that it is paramount to have a means to protect ourselves from tyranny or from chaos. 140 years isn't that long a period of time.
This whole line of thinking is just plain weird. For starters the US has something called a democracy and elections, that is what is used to fight tyranny, not guns and bombs. This is a first world country. You don't elect people then start killing them if you don't like how they behave, instead you vote them out of power. Guns are not required. The only people getting killed are those child playing with their parents guns thinking they are toys and killing themselves or their family members. That and a couple of disgrunted teenagers who occassionally go on a rampage or perhaps gang members who indiscriminately shoot innocent people, or are just plain criminals.
 

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You are assuming that you can always just vote a government out of power. The right to bear arms is a safeguard to ensure that democracy is always in place.

Your naivety is just plain stupid.
Whatever..so far there's been far more kids killed then politicians but I guess that doesn't bother an ignorant asshole like you.

You remind me of one of those religous fanatics on Religulous, never letting facts get in the way of what you believe.

BTW, I would prefer to keep this civil but if you're going to call me stupid, expect something to come back at you.
 

mclovin76

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reminds me of a scene from the sopranos when tony gets given an ar 15 for his birthday and hes like i bet you kill alot of deer with this thing and his brother inlaw says nooooo thats just unsportsmanlike lol then in the next episode he is walking around with it and a garbage bag over it ready for war. Ar 15s are fucking sweet, looks like canada will be more liberal then the states when it comes to guns.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3zj...A249DBBF&index=40&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL hey hubba stop wasting bullets :)
 

Yman

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You are assuming that you can always just vote a government out of power. The right to bear arms is a safeguard to ensure that democracy is always in place.

Your naivety is just plain stupid.

Or, right to bear arms is just plain dangerous.
 

mclovin76

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What's with all the gun goofy guys in this thread ..... small cocks ?
if you ever get robbed and your wife is raped and your daughter and you wish you had some balls to defend them from some crazy cracked out junkie, think about this moment and think at how many bullet holes there will be in anyone trying to rape or hurt my family, you fucking loser.
 

mclovin76

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o ya btw crackheads have guns now days, get some training and karate just doesnt quite do it now days.
 

Yman

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i shot my first gun at age 8, dad was a seal, uncle cops,godfather intelligence service. Guns serve a purpose, and they are quite excilerating but very very dangerous.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11fcg543Jow super fucking dangerous
I watched this brilliant video. This guy makes a perfect case for the Darwin Awards. Thanks for the link btw.

While I was at Youtube I watched a number of other relevant videos with a number of people playing with their weaponry and it's quite hilarious.
 

Yman

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if you ever get robbed and your wife is raped and your daughter and you wish you had some balls to defend them from some crazy cracked out junkie, think about this moment and think at how many bullet holes there will be in anyone trying to rape or hurt my family, you fucking loser.
You think a 'cracked out junkie' is able to make rational decisions ?
 
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